Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 Hi Rhonda, I thought I would just copy my response to a poster who essentially asked the same question. Here it is. By the way everyone, heads up on this link. I don't know how anyone could read it and then vaccinate their baby... I will provide my standard response to this question. I didn't answer you before because you won't like my answer. Remember YOU asked! Yes, there most definitely is an advantage to waiting until a child is older. If you wait, the child is less likely to DIE from the vaccines and only be damaged instead. I would say that provaxxers should wait at least a year. An infant's immune system operates radically different from even a one-year old. Lemme give you a link to some excellent immune system info. <A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/m/butler14.html " > http://www.whale.to/m/butler14.html</A> Here's a sample of what you will find at the link. SUMMARY: This paper looks at medical articles which suggest that vaccines are damaging the immune system of some babies, and that the potentially immunosuppressive nature of vaccines could be contributing to the death, and ill-health of our babies – and therefore our children, and future generations. While the abstract as published was by necessity focussed on a small part (the final mechanism of SIDS in vaccinated babies) of what I see as a huge diverse problem, I cannot explain the abstract clearly in 15 minutes. In order to understand the abstract in a total context, it must be viewed as a small part of a whole. This paper is written for both lay and medical people, and attempts to place the final mechanism of SIDS in vaccinated babies in its proper broadest context. There are no epidemiological studies published which can confirm or deny what has been demonstrated to be fact in small case studies, compared to controls. I believe that this is because the right questions have not yet been asked, and all l studies so far have been designed to prove current medical assumptions, and perhaps the belief that the more complicated the findings the more legitimate the theory. This position paper is lengthy and I suggest you print it out in order to more easily absorb its information. It will require some work on your part to actually read it in its entirety. However, if you are serious about wanting to know more about vaccines... Kathleen Hey, I just thought of something! If Sheri Nakken were here, I can just see her reply to this post! LOL It would be her usual style of short and sweet and would simply say " Never! " and would have a few links Heeheehee Am I right?! In a message dated 8/12/2001 5:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time, corinthians411@... writes: > is there an age when vaccines are ever safe for children? > I am so new to all of this and only began researching vaccines > because of a gut feeling I had when I delivered my fourth child. I > had never heard anything about vaccines and just went along with what > society said to do. But when I had my 4th child, something inside me > just did not feel right about allowing her to be vaccinated. It was > then that I began asking around and trying to read on it. My hubby > is not all pro-vaccine, but on the same hand, at some point he may > say " it's time to get the vaccines " ....so I'm asking, is there an age > when they would be safer?? > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 Hi Rhonda. I'm brand new to this group so besides responding to your message, I also wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself to the group. My name is Pam and I have 2 daughters, aged 6 years and 10 years old. Your note really struck a chord, because I also followed the usual vaccination routine, although something inside of me was never comfortable with the whole thing. My younger daughter was due the end of this month for polio and DTAP and I just felt I couldn't do it anymore. My younger daughter has an anxiety disorder, which is slowly getting better, but I think I already felt she had certain sensitivities and I feel very frightened of the vaccines at this point. As far as your question is concerned, from what I have read, if it is possible to put the vaccines off for at least the first year of the child's life, it would be better. I guess in that way, at least the child is more developed and may be better able to handle the immunizations. Sometimes I think us Moms really should be more trusting of our " gut " feelings about things. They rarely prove to be wrong! Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 Hi Rhonda, If you feel you have to get the jabs at all and have made that decision after researching and becoming informed ,then, I personally would put off any vaccines until my child was around 2yrs old. Also, get any jabs SEPERATELY and MERCURY-FREE. I have heard the immune system isnt completely and fully developed until around 8 yrs of age.....? Anyone? And......nice to meet you Rhonda. :-) SUE, Ruby(2) Wales,UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 IA, Also, make sure you nurse avidly for at least 2 years. > Hi Rhonda, > If you feel you have to get the jabs at all and have made that decision > after researching and becoming informed ,then, I personally would put off > any vaccines until my child was around 2yrs old. Also, get any jabs > SEPERATELY and MERCURY-FREE. > I have heard the immune system isnt completely and fully developed until > around 8 yrs of age.....? Anyone? > And......nice to meet you Rhonda. :-) > > SUE, Ruby(2) > Wales,UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 It is good you are asking first and might be " injecting " later, nice to see that some people are prepared to ask than just agree My opinion is go of that " gut feeling " of yours, usually whatever that is, usually works out to be true ...I have a child whom as had all shots except for the MMR and my gut says not to do it, I have seen friends and family who Have vaccinated there kids with the MMR and have seen them suffer... I think you have chosen a good list to join, you could also see your library as I know ours has some good books I wish you luck and hoping you get all the information you need to make a safe and healthy choice ... Best regards Just because one kid has no reactions doesn't mean the next one wont ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2001 Report Share Posted August 12, 2001 good advice, . also, they could read www.whale.to click on " vaccines " At 12:09 PM 8/13/01 +1000, you wrote: >It is good you are asking first and might be " injecting " later, nice to see >that some people are prepared to ask than just agree > >My opinion is go of that " gut feeling " of yours, usually whatever that is, >usually works out to be true ...I have a child whom as had all shots except >for the MMR and my gut says not to do it, I have seen friends and family >who Have vaccinated there kids with the MMR and have seen them suffer... >I think you have chosen a good list to join, you could also see your library >as I know ours has some good books > >I wish you luck and hoping you get all the information you need to make a >safe and healthy choice ... > >Best regards > > > >Just because one kid has no reactions doesn't mean the next one wont ! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 , Thank you so very much for sharing your thought on these related issues which I believe to be inextricably entwined. I couldn't agree with you more about the interrelationships between the chemicals. Those of us who have Multiple Chemical Sensitivities know all too well the correlations of and to such situations. ~~Ruth vaccines again this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 , Thank you so very much for sharing your thought on these related issues which I believe to be inextricably entwined. I couldn't agree with you more about the interrelationships between the chemicals. Those of us who have Multiple Chemical Sensitivities know all too well the correlations of and to such situations. ~~Ruth vaccines again this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 , Thank you so very much for sharing your thought on these related issues which I believe to be inextricably entwined. I couldn't agree with you more about the interrelationships between the chemicals. Those of us who have Multiple Chemical Sensitivities know all too well the correlations of and to such situations. ~~Ruth vaccines again this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 , Thank you so very much for sharing your thought on these related issues which I believe to be inextricably entwined. I couldn't agree with you more about the interrelationships between the chemicals. Those of us who have Multiple Chemical Sensitivities know all too well the correlations of and to such situations. ~~Ruth vaccines again this weekend i took a workshop on indoor air quality. when discussing the issue of allergens, the point was made (several times) that is is the proteins in the fecal matter or mites or whatever that is so allergenic. i kept thinking about the toxicity of vaccines with their foreign proteins pumped into the blood stream causing various levels of 'allergic' reaction. then there is the aspect of toxic chemicals that are neurotoxins or irritants to the respiratory organs, etc. again, i kept thinking about vaccines with their adjuvants and fillers and formaldehyde preservatives. i could have been reading up on vaccine reactions the similarity was so great. the weekend left me with the idea that when discussing the toxicity of vaccines, making a comparison to other major allergenic and neurotoxic chemicals that we live with might be a good way to augment the arguments vaccine dangers. so thought i would share this thought since i have not seen others talk about it. tanya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 As a child growing up in the 60's, we had a dog, I was healthy, no problems. Until, that is, I had a set of shots in 1st grade along w/the sugar cube for polio, which was tinged pink. It tasted good, as sugar does, and I thought, for a moment of grabbing another one while no one was looking. OMG! I'm so glad I didn't. In the meantime, within months of getting these shots, I developed allergies to eggs, wheat, dairy, corn, chocolate, nuts, grass, pollen, animals (no more pets), molds, etc. It's a wonder I could eat anything and my parents didn't make the connection. Back then, there weren't a lot of alternatives, so my mother kept feeding me the same foods because supposedly I could handle them w/the set of allergy shots I was receiving (3 a week for 5 years). I think underlying it all I probably had a lot of inflammation as allergies don't just subside or go away w/ allergy shots. Along w/these allergies, I also developed chronic asthma, especially aggravated by animal hair so we never had a dog until I was in my teens and 'Prince' was brushed frequently and had certain rooms in the house he could go in. Eggs were deathly for me and I would have severe reactions to them. I never could eat anything w/eggs until the past 10 years. I am now 53. However, I still have a reaction if I eat an egg (which I don't) or eat something w/a lot of eggs. Mostly I stay away from them and have learned to make things without them. I also had an 'abortive case of polio' from the vaccine when I was a young teen. It was triggered from eating potato salad which had mayonnaise (eggs). Apparently it can lie dormant in your system from the vaccine and in my case, because of my allergy to eggs, was triggered. I spent a week in the hospital, had a spinal tap, lapsed into and out of consciousness and basically almost died. The doctors at that time told my mom that my illness was caused by the polio virus (from the vaccine). She never wanted to believe that vaccines could cause any harm and when I had my children, always wanted me to vaccinate. I held my ground and never did. On her deathbed, she even asked and I thought of giving her relief by saying 'yes', but realized I couldn't so told her that she knew how I felt and that I could never vaccinate them having done my research over the years. So, yes, I defnitely believe that most allergies and asthma from an early age are triggered if not caused by vaccines. Diet is also important and in my case, most of the things I was allergic to are not eaten when I'm having problems. 1 in 9 kids now has asthma, 1 in 22 has diabetes, and 1 in 6 has developmental disabilities. I also think kids' thinking abilities are altered by the food they eat and in my case, I would get brain fog when I was eating foods I was sensitive too. I know this to be true as I do a cleansing fast twice a year and when I do, I feel absolutely clear-headed and full of energy. Google search Coulter (co author of 'A shot in the dark') for his take on social violence, learning problems, and vaccines due to encephalitis (brain inflammation) caused by vaccines. A real eye opener. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 As a child growing up in the 60's, we had a dog, I was healthy, no problems. Until, that is, I had a set of shots in 1st grade along w/the sugar cube for polio, which was tinged pink. It tasted good, as sugar does, and I thought, for a moment of grabbing another one while no one was looking. OMG! I'm so glad I didn't. In the meantime, within months of getting these shots, I developed allergies to eggs, wheat, dairy, corn, chocolate, nuts, grass, pollen, animals (no more pets), molds, etc. It's a wonder I could eat anything and my parents didn't make the connection. Back then, there weren't a lot of alternatives, so my mother kept feeding me the same foods because supposedly I could handle them w/the set of allergy shots I was receiving (3 a week for 5 years). I think underlying it all I probably had a lot of inflammation as allergies don't just subside or go away w/ allergy shots. Along w/these allergies, I also developed chronic asthma, especially aggravated by animal hair so we never had a dog until I was in my teens and 'Prince' was brushed frequently and had certain rooms in the house he could go in. Eggs were deathly for me and I would have severe reactions to them. I never could eat anything w/eggs until the past 10 years. I am now 53. However, I still have a reaction if I eat an egg (which I don't) or eat something w/a lot of eggs. Mostly I stay away from them and have learned to make things without them. I also had an 'abortive case of polio' from the vaccine when I was a young teen. It was triggered from eating potato salad which had mayonnaise (eggs). Apparently it can lie dormant in your system from the vaccine and in my case, because of my allergy to eggs, was triggered. I spent a week in the hospital, had a spinal tap, lapsed into and out of consciousness and basically almost died. The doctors at that time told my mom that my illness was caused by the polio virus (from the vaccine). She never wanted to believe that vaccines could cause any harm and when I had my children, always wanted me to vaccinate. I held my ground and never did. On her deathbed, she even asked and I thought of giving her relief by saying 'yes', but realized I couldn't so told her that she knew how I felt and that I could never vaccinate them having done my research over the years. So, yes, I defnitely believe that most allergies and asthma from an early age are triggered if not caused by vaccines. Diet is also important and in my case, most of the things I was allergic to are not eaten when I'm having problems. 1 in 9 kids now has asthma, 1 in 22 has diabetes, and 1 in 6 has developmental disabilities. I also think kids' thinking abilities are altered by the food they eat and in my case, I would get brain fog when I was eating foods I was sensitive too. I know this to be true as I do a cleansing fast twice a year and when I do, I feel absolutely clear-headed and full of energy. Google search Coulter (co author of 'A shot in the dark') for his take on social violence, learning problems, and vaccines due to encephalitis (brain inflammation) caused by vaccines. A real eye opener. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 As a child growing up in the 60's, we had a dog, I was healthy, no problems. Until, that is, I had a set of shots in 1st grade along w/the sugar cube for polio, which was tinged pink. It tasted good, as sugar does, and I thought, for a moment of grabbing another one while no one was looking. OMG! I'm so glad I didn't. In the meantime, within months of getting these shots, I developed allergies to eggs, wheat, dairy, corn, chocolate, nuts, grass, pollen, animals (no more pets), molds, etc. It's a wonder I could eat anything and my parents didn't make the connection. Back then, there weren't a lot of alternatives, so my mother kept feeding me the same foods because supposedly I could handle them w/the set of allergy shots I was receiving (3 a week for 5 years). I think underlying it all I probably had a lot of inflammation as allergies don't just subside or go away w/ allergy shots. Along w/these allergies, I also developed chronic asthma, especially aggravated by animal hair so we never had a dog until I was in my teens and 'Prince' was brushed frequently and had certain rooms in the house he could go in. Eggs were deathly for me and I would have severe reactions to them. I never could eat anything w/eggs until the past 10 years. I am now 53. However, I still have a reaction if I eat an egg (which I don't) or eat something w/a lot of eggs. Mostly I stay away from them and have learned to make things without them. I also had an 'abortive case of polio' from the vaccine when I was a young teen. It was triggered from eating potato salad which had mayonnaise (eggs). Apparently it can lie dormant in your system from the vaccine and in my case, because of my allergy to eggs, was triggered. I spent a week in the hospital, had a spinal tap, lapsed into and out of consciousness and basically almost died. The doctors at that time told my mom that my illness was caused by the polio virus (from the vaccine). She never wanted to believe that vaccines could cause any harm and when I had my children, always wanted me to vaccinate. I held my ground and never did. On her deathbed, she even asked and I thought of giving her relief by saying 'yes', but realized I couldn't so told her that she knew how I felt and that I could never vaccinate them having done my research over the years. So, yes, I defnitely believe that most allergies and asthma from an early age are triggered if not caused by vaccines. Diet is also important and in my case, most of the things I was allergic to are not eaten when I'm having problems. 1 in 9 kids now has asthma, 1 in 22 has diabetes, and 1 in 6 has developmental disabilities. I also think kids' thinking abilities are altered by the food they eat and in my case, I would get brain fog when I was eating foods I was sensitive too. I know this to be true as I do a cleansing fast twice a year and when I do, I feel absolutely clear-headed and full of energy. Google search Coulter (co author of 'A shot in the dark') for his take on social violence, learning problems, and vaccines due to encephalitis (brain inflammation) caused by vaccines. A real eye opener. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 As a child growing up in the 60's, we had a dog, I was healthy, no problems. Until, that is, I had a set of shots in 1st grade along w/the sugar cube for polio, which was tinged pink. It tasted good, as sugar does, and I thought, for a moment of grabbing another one while no one was looking. OMG! I'm so glad I didn't. In the meantime, within months of getting these shots, I developed allergies to eggs, wheat, dairy, corn, chocolate, nuts, grass, pollen, animals (no more pets), molds, etc. It's a wonder I could eat anything and my parents didn't make the connection. Back then, there weren't a lot of alternatives, so my mother kept feeding me the same foods because supposedly I could handle them w/the set of allergy shots I was receiving (3 a week for 5 years). I think underlying it all I probably had a lot of inflammation as allergies don't just subside or go away w/ allergy shots. Along w/these allergies, I also developed chronic asthma, especially aggravated by animal hair so we never had a dog until I was in my teens and 'Prince' was brushed frequently and had certain rooms in the house he could go in. Eggs were deathly for me and I would have severe reactions to them. I never could eat anything w/eggs until the past 10 years. I am now 53. However, I still have a reaction if I eat an egg (which I don't) or eat something w/a lot of eggs. Mostly I stay away from them and have learned to make things without them. I also had an 'abortive case of polio' from the vaccine when I was a young teen. It was triggered from eating potato salad which had mayonnaise (eggs). Apparently it can lie dormant in your system from the vaccine and in my case, because of my allergy to eggs, was triggered. I spent a week in the hospital, had a spinal tap, lapsed into and out of consciousness and basically almost died. The doctors at that time told my mom that my illness was caused by the polio virus (from the vaccine). She never wanted to believe that vaccines could cause any harm and when I had my children, always wanted me to vaccinate. I held my ground and never did. On her deathbed, she even asked and I thought of giving her relief by saying 'yes', but realized I couldn't so told her that she knew how I felt and that I could never vaccinate them having done my research over the years. So, yes, I defnitely believe that most allergies and asthma from an early age are triggered if not caused by vaccines. Diet is also important and in my case, most of the things I was allergic to are not eaten when I'm having problems. 1 in 9 kids now has asthma, 1 in 22 has diabetes, and 1 in 6 has developmental disabilities. I also think kids' thinking abilities are altered by the food they eat and in my case, I would get brain fog when I was eating foods I was sensitive too. I know this to be true as I do a cleansing fast twice a year and when I do, I feel absolutely clear-headed and full of energy. Google search Coulter (co author of 'A shot in the dark') for his take on social violence, learning problems, and vaccines due to encephalitis (brain inflammation) caused by vaccines. A real eye opener. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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