Avian Flu

July 28, 2005

An influenza A (H5N1) vaccine is undergoing human clinical trials in

the United States, but no human H5N1 vaccine is currently available,

they'll never make enough for everyone, and it may be just marginally

effective as is normal with flu vaccines. Survival of the fittest is

going to be the rule all right, and those who are the better prepared

than their neighbour will be more fit to survive.

People have a pretty good chance of getting their families out of the

35 to 65 percent fatality group if they somewhat increase their first

immune response, the natural killer cells, with herbs, colostrum, and

mushroom extracts; more than four times the NK cell activity can be

obtained with Transfer Factor ( http://ok.my4life.com ).

People can avoid cutting their white blood cell activity by half by

simply avoiding sugar and starch or getting off their steroid drugs.

Resistance to infection of all types can be increased by using cold-

processed whey, and the elderly particularly would benefit by taking

a program of growth hormone-boosting amino acids that among other

things make the immune response more youthful. Knowing something

about antimicrobial herbs and washing hands will help.

When the disease is in our region, the ability to make and use

colloidal silver, having electronic tools such as SOTA Instrument's

" Beck " blood electrifier on hand, and having access to ozone therapy,

which is about 100 percent effective, will all be of prime

importance; every family should have these tools.

(excerpted from my Body Electric column to b published in this

weekend's local newspaper)

Duncan Crow

August 2, 2005

Hi Duncan

Great info.

Do you also use your Q for immune stimulation?

Which ozone therapy do you use?

thanks

BlissDuncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

An influenza A (H5N1) vaccine is undergoing human clinical trials in the United States, but no human H5N1 vaccine is currently available, they'll never make enough for everyone, and it may be just marginally effective as is normal with flu vaccines. Survival of the fittest is going to be the rule all right, and those who are the better prepared than their neighbour will be more fit to survive. People have a pretty good chance of getting their families out of the 35 to 65 percent fatality group if they somewhat increase their first immune response, the natural killer cells, with herbs, colostrum, and mushroom extracts; more than four times the NK cell activity can be obtained with Transfer Factor ( http://ok.my4life.com ). People can avoid cutting their white blood cell activity by half by

simply avoiding sugar and starch or getting off their steroid drugs. Resistance to infection of all types can be increased by using cold-processed whey, and the elderly particularly would benefit by taking a program of growth hormone-boosting amino acids that among other things make the immune response more youthful. Knowing something about antimicrobial herbs and washing hands will help. When the disease is in our region, the ability to make and use colloidal silver, having electronic tools such as SOTA Instrument's "Beck" blood electrifier on hand, and having access to ozone therapy, which is about 100 percent effective, will all be of prime importance; every family should have these tools.(excerpted from my Body Electric column to b published in this weekend's local newspaper)Duncan Crow

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October 12, 2005

From the US Center for Disease Control in Atlanta:

H5N1 Vaccines

There currently is no vaccine to protect humans against the H5N1 virus that is

being seen in Asia. However, vaccine development efforts are under way. Research

studies to test a vaccine to protect humans against H5N1 virus began in April

2005. (Researchers are also working on a vaccine against H9N2, another bird flu

virus subtype.)

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From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@...>

Subject: Avian Flu

> In anticipation of a period of time offshore Angola we have had a very well

done presentation on malaria and associated matters by a UK Dr who is an expert

in Tropical diseases.

>

> During the course of the presentation I asked about the situation with the

advertised Pandemic of 'Bird Flu' and the effectiveness of the Avian Flu vaccine

being sold to the public in various countries including New Zealand and

Australia.

>

> I was quite surprised by his reply that there is actually no Avian Flu vaccine

and if there was then it would require a bucket full to be of any use. I asked

what then was being prescribed and sold as a vaccine and he said it was just of

form of the annual triple influenza vaccine.

>

> Anyone else heard anything on this ?

>

> Cheers and stay away from KFC..!

>

> P

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October 12, 2005

Much confusion in this field is because there are essentially two " avian

flu " strains of concern.

There is a vaccine to the highly contagious H5N1 flu strain that is

currently in the bird population and which can transmit from bird to human,

but which currently does not have easy transmission from human to

human. However the vaccine isn´t very effective, was designed for birds

only and has never been safety tested for humans. (Birds' immune systems

are quite different from those of mammals -- that's why they are not

normally used in medical experiments.) Human vaccines are in

development. This is the current " avian flu " .

The global health concern is that H5N1 will mutate while in a host with an

existing flu strain that easily transmits from human to human (flu viruses

swap genes) resulting in an H5N1 variant that might spread from human to

human rapidly and with a high lethality. Just to confuse people, this

future variant is also regularly called " avian flu " .

Any H5N1 vaccine currently under development might still prompt an immune

response with a new virus, but we won't know until a mutated virus has

appeared. The same goes for any vaccine that may already exist for the

strain that H5N1 mutates with.

I hope this clears some of the confusion.

Cheers,

At 14:52 2005-10-12 +0100, you wrote:

>In anticipation of a period of time offshore Angola we have had a very

>well done presentation on malaria and associated matters by a UK Dr who is

>an expert in Tropical diseases.

>

>During the course of the presentation I asked about the situation with the

>advertised Pandemic of 'Bird Flu' and the effectiveness of the Avian Flu

>vaccine being sold to the public in various countries including New

>Zealand and Australia.

>

>I was quite surprised by his reply that there is actually no Avian Flu

>vaccine and if there was then it would require a bucket full to be of any

>use. I asked what then was being prescribed and sold as a vaccine and he

>said it was just of form of the annual triple influenza vaccine.

>

>Anyone else heard anything on this ?

>

>Cheers and stay away from KFC..!

>

>P

>

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October 12, 2005

At the recent British Association for Immediate Care (BASICS) conference, we

had a presentation on the effect to the UK if the " avian flu " hits us by

somebody from the Health Protection Agency and as pionts out, they

can't do much until it 'lands' and they know which strain it is, then they

can develope a vaccine for that strain.

Mark

Re: Avian Flu

Much confusion in this field is because there are essentially two " avian

flu " strains of concern.

There is a vaccine to the highly contagious H5N1 flu strain that is

currently in the bird population and which can transmit from bird to human,

but which currently does not have easy transmission from human to

human. However the vaccine isn´t very effective, was designed for birds

only and has never been safety tested for humans. (Birds' immune systems

are quite different from those of mammals -- that's why they are not

normally used in medical experiments.) Human vaccines are in

development. This is the current " avian flu " .

The global health concern is that H5N1 will mutate while in a host with an

existing flu strain that easily transmits from human to human (flu viruses

swap genes) resulting in an H5N1 variant that might spread from human to

human rapidly and with a high lethality. Just to confuse people, this

future variant is also regularly called " avian flu " .

Any H5N1 vaccine currently under development might still prompt an immune

response with a new virus, but we won't know until a mutated virus has

appeared. The same goes for any vaccine that may already exist for the

strain that H5N1 mutates with.

I hope this clears some of the confusion.

Cheers,

At 14:52 2005-10-12 +0100, you wrote:

>In anticipation of a period of time offshore Angola we have had a very

>well done presentation on malaria and associated matters by a UK Dr who is

>an expert in Tropical diseases.

>

>During the course of the presentation I asked about the situation with the

>advertised Pandemic of 'Bird Flu' and the effectiveness of the Avian Flu

>vaccine being sold to the public in various countries including New

>Zealand and Australia.

>

>I was quite surprised by his reply that there is actually no Avian Flu

>vaccine and if there was then it would require a bucket full to be of any

>use. I asked what then was being prescribed and sold as a vaccine and he

>said it was just of form of the annual triple influenza vaccine.

>

>Anyone else heard anything on this ?

>

>Cheers and stay away from KFC..!

>

>P

>

>---------------------------------

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> Security Centre.

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October 18, 2005

Hi Jim

Finally got my computer working for a short while â€“ itâ€™s been

intermittently working most of the dayâ€¦

You are absolutely right when you say that H1N1 is avian in origin, in

fact, as far as I know, all type A influenza virus mutations are avian in

origin. The pig has the dubious â€˜giftâ€™ of being able to become infected

with all strains A, B and C types of the influenza viruses, where as birds

â€“ aquatic variety, mainly ducks and gees â€“ harbor only type A.

It was the issue of reassortment and what might have influenced the

mutation of H1N1 into the most virulent form of influenza so far recorded

that made researchers look at the concomitant epidemic of swine fever as a

possible factor (1). Remember, the influenza viral infection was poorly

understood at that time.

The sequence of the 1918 HA, although it is related more closely to avian

strains than subsequent mammalian H1 sequences, it has many more

differences from avian sequences of 1957 and 1968 HA sequences (2). In

fact the1918 HA sequence was more closely related to a sequence that was

the first influenza virus isolated from swine around 1930 â€“ the first human

strain was isolated in 1933.

I used to have some papers describing several indirect experimental

approaches used to test the hypothesis of an alternative origin of the 1918

influenza virus strain. The similarity suggests that the human pandemic

influenza virus became established in swine, in which it changed very

slowly over the next 12 years (the last major outbreak was 1899) (3).

Indeed, during the 1918 pandemic, simultaneous outbreaks of influenza were

seen in humans and swine. Interestingly, swine influenza was first

recognized as a clinical entity in that species in the autumn of 1918 (4).

During the autumn and winter of 1918â€“1919, severe influenza-like disease

outbreaks were noted not only in swine in the USA but also in Europe and

China (4,5 ,6) and classical swine H1N1 lineage became endemic in swine

herds in the USA, there is good data to support the global circulation of

the 1918 influenza virus in pigs concurrently with its circulation in

humans (7).

The 1918 pandemic strain is puzzling because itâ€™s HA sequence is neither

consistent with direct reassortment with a known avian H1 strain nor with

adaptation in swine (8).

Thatâ€™s about as much as I have got saved on my old external hard drive,

goodness knows where the rest of it has gone toâ€¦.

Regarding the virulence of the 1918/19 outbreak â€“ as you say Jim, the

response of the immune system kicking in is what gives us the so called

â€˜fluâ€™ symptoms - Cytokines (remember back in the 80s interleukin IV & VI

and interferon was used to treat HIV cases and other viral infections?

Obtained at the time if, my aging memory serves me, from foreskins of

circumcised little boys â€“ rather controversial at the time but there you

are) & chemokines.

Interleukin VI kicks off the liver into producing C-reactive protein among

other things (acute phase proteins) which are reasonably effective against

a broad range of microorganisms although they lack individual specificity.

Cytokine pro-inflammatory activity stimulates the immune system mobilising

T Cell activity neutrophils from bone marrow, causing dendritic cells to

migrate to lymph nodes, and also initiating changes in muscle metabolism to

facilitate the febrile response. Chemokines are low molecular weight

cytokines that are particularly involved in lymphocyte targeting and

migration towards a focus of infection. Powerful cytotoxic agents are

liberated to destroy invading foreign unrecognized proteins.

Inflammation involves vascular changes which allow immune cells better

access to the infected tissue. This produces local pain, redness and

swelling and a rise in overall body temperature which is thought to help to

combat infection â€“ up to a point (most of this is seen as a response to

trauma as well).

OK, but in influenza there is no viralaemia â€“ the virus stays in the

respiratory tract, but the immune response is aggressive and not very well

directed to begin with. The virulence of the invading virus can be

measured its ability and speed to replicate. To oversimplify the

exceedingly complicated sequence â€“ in the case of the 1918/19 pandemic, it

was most likely the victimsâ€™ immune response which killed so quickly saving

a follow on from pneumonia or tracheobronchtis. Their immune system went

into overdrive.

Probably just like your unfortunate hantavirus case.

And now â€“ a nice cup of tea

Cheers

1] Taubenberger JK, Reid AH, Fanning TG. The 1918 Influenza Virus: Virology

2000; 274(2): 241-245

2] Reid, A. H., Fanning, T. G., Janczewski, T. A. & Taubenberger, J. K.

(2000). Characterization of the 1918 'Spanish' influenza virus

neuraminidase gene. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 97, 6785â€“6790.

3] Castrucci, M. R., Donatelli, I., Sidoli, L., Barigazzi, G., Kawaoka, Y.

& Webster, R. G. (1993). Genetic reassortment between avian and human

influenza A viruses in Italian pigs. Virology 193, 503â€“506.

4] Koen, J. S. (1919). A practical method for field diagnoses of swine

diseases. Am J Vet Med 14, 468â€“470

5] Beveridge, W. (1977). Influenza: the Last Great Plague, an Unfinished

Story of Discovery. New York: Prodist.

6] Zhou, N. N., Senne, D. A., Landgraf, J. S. & 7 other authors (2000).

Emergence of H3N2 reassortant influenza A viruses in North American pigs.

Vet Microbiol 74, 47â€“58.

7] Brown, I. H., , P. A., McCauley, J. W. & , D. J. (1998).

Multiple genetic reassortment of avian and human influenza A viruses in

European pigs, resulting in the emergence of an H1N2 virus of novel

genotype. J Gen Virol 79, 2947â€“2955.

8] Fanning, T. G., Slemons, R. D., Reid, A. H., Janczewski, T. A., Dean, J.

& Taubenberger, J. K. (2002). 1917 avian influenza virus sequences suggest

that the 1918 pandemic virus did not acquire its hemagglutinin directly

from birds. J Virol 76, 7860â€“7862.

Tidy

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18/10/2005 and Tamiflu

04:02

Please respond

to

RemoteSupportM

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ups.com

,

You are correct except for one comment: recent (in the last couple of

months) publications in scientific journals indicate the 1918/19 " Spanish

Flu " was probably of avian origin.

For years it had been thought to be a mutation of swine flu, but since

there were no live bodies or even viable remains carrying the virus, it was

basically guesswork. However researchers were able to genetically

reconstruct the virus from preserved tissue samples, using techniques which

to me seem akin to black magic.

This of course, is not happy news, given the recent outbreak of bird flu.

On the subject of antivirals: For the last year I have kept a stock of

Tamiflu at home for my family, and I have recently added Relenza. I also

keep a quantity of Amantadine, which is cheap and widely available. There

is some suggestion in the scientific literature that the two administered

together may have a synergistic effect.

I personally believe that an outbreak of equivalent lethality and

transmissibility to the 1918/19 pandemic would kill several hundred million

people worldwide. Those who died in that earlier pandemic died QUICKLY.

Sometimes in as little as 48 hours. Having seen a hantavirus patient (a

similar etiology) it is quite frightening the lethality of these kinds of

viruses. Middle age, healthy people who have to be put on a vent within 2

days of onset of symptoms. And there are simply not enough ICU beds in the

world to even begin to put a dent in the problem, so do not look to modern

medicine for the answer. Stockpiling antivirals will certainly save many

lives, but the world is a much more crowded place than it was in 1918...

Jim

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From: martin.tidy@...

Subject: Re: Avian Flu and Tamiflu

>

> Some information on why the 1918/19 influenza pandemic was so virulent:

> Firstly though, Influenza type A - the one that causes the pandemics and

> serious illnesses each year is thought to reside asymptomatically in wild

> birds such as ducks and geese. A slight antigenic drift and the virus

> start to provoke symptoms in the wild bird population. The virus remains

> species specific in an antigenic drift situation. Migration routes

spread

> the virus and intensive arming ensures rapid spread of the disease

amongst

> flocksâ€“ parallels here with the 1918/19 pandemic.

>

> â€œSpanish â€˜flueâ€™ â€“ actually first reported from Camp Funston, Fort

Riley,

> Kansas USA, was of the H1N1 strain and was not avian in origin. At the

> same time there was an outbreak of swine fever which closely resembled

the

> haemagglutinin protein and the neuraminidase enzyme of the influenza A

> virus. In this case it is thought an antigenic shift occurred to allow

the

> virus to â€˜jumpâ€™ the species barrier.

>

> Also at the time large areas of Europe were at war, there was massive

> overcrowding in troop ships, military camps and in trench warfare â€“ like

> the intensive farming comment above. There were huge troop and refugee

> movements/migrations to help the spread of the disease, poor public

hygiene

> and sanitation, lack of food and good nutrition due to the disruption of

> war etc. Subjectively, peoplesâ€™ immunity was further stretched by

stress,

> anxiety, social upheavals and other emotional/behavioral issues.

>

> The striking fact about the H1N1 virus was not only itâ€™s virulence and

> worldwide spread but the fact itâ€™s effect on the mortality rates for the

20

> to 40 year age group, up to 50% in the normally most robust group and

most

> able to deal with an infection. The speed at which some of the

individuals

> succumbed to the disease shocked â€“ many died before pneumonia could

> develop.

>

> There were 3 waves of H1N1 starting in March 1918 â€“ a relatively mild

> outbreak the second in early autumn which was much more severe and though

> to be because of subtle mutations of the virus shell during the summer

> months, the third outbreak was seen in early 1919. It was the second and

> third outbreaks that were responsible for the high mortality rates â€“ up

to

> 50%.

> Soon after the third phase the virus disappeared very abruptly.

>

> Other pandemics were slightly different, for instance the outbreak in

1889

> was similar to the 1957 â€˜Asian â€˜fluâ€™ from China â€“ H2N2. The â€˜Hong

Kong

â€˜fuâ€™

> of 1968 was similar to the 1899 outbreak H3N2. A mini epidemic was noted

in

> the UK 1989/90. The current H5N1 started around 1997 in China once again.

> Interestingly, it seems that the epidemic of 1889 marked a major change

in

> the epidemiology of the disease. From that date and for the next 25 years

> epidemics occurred irregularly but associated with increased mortality.

The

> baseline rate never returned to pre-1889 levels. It is unclear what

caused

> this change as genetic material from this period has never been recovered

> in quantity and quality to thoroughly analyse and sequence. Clearly life

> style and peopleâ€™s behavior patterns also changed and would have an

effect

> â€“ as can be seen with the 1918/19 pandemic.

>

> The 1889, 1899, 1957 and 1968 influenza pandemics seem to have avian â€˜flu

> as the common denominator â€“N2N2 and H3N2 Reassortment. It is considered

the

> most likely â€˜hostâ€™ to facilitate this is the Pig. The pig is susceptible

> to all 3 influenza types, A,B & C as are humans and it is thought can act

> as an â€˜incubator and mixing vesselâ€™ to mix the virus particles if

infected

> by more than one type of A Influenza virus at the same time. This makes

> possible the antigenic shift.

>

> Sorry for being long winded â€“ hope I have not bored you, some of this

> material was for an OU TMA some time ago.

> Cheers

>

> Tidy

> Offshore Medic

> Zafiro Producer FPU

> Equatorial Guinea

> Tel: 001 713 431 9306

> Fax: 001 713 431 9347

>

> Guthrie

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> to

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> At 07:57 2005-10-17 +0100, you wrote:

> <snip>

> >Latest report states there may be around 50,000 deaths in UK and these

> >would be from the weakest segments of society.

> <snip>

>

> This is indeed the pattern of normal seasonal flu.

>

> However, the 1918-19 flu pandemic killed predominantly young healthy

> people. I've not seen any published work on why this might be the case.

>

> This has led to a number of people in governments to be concerned about

the

>

> economic costs of a new flu pandemic.

>

> Cheers,

>

October 23, 2005

Hi Rose,

I am using Ravensara essential oil from Snow Lotus mixed with Oregano when in public and/or on planes, keeping some Young Living Thieves on hand as well, and homeopathic prevention. Zapping reactivity to flu when it shows up will also be an option.

Gage

Avian flu

Do you think our QXCI devices will be able to handle an Avian flu outbreak?? If any of you have seen the movie "The Constant Gardener", you will understand when I say that this radio show airing next week is for those of you "who give a damn" .

Go to www.boydgraves.com/comments/ and look what the experts are saying . I just spoke with the activist who has been sending out the press releases and co-ordinating the X- zone radio show scheduled to air on Oct 19th. Dr Len Horowiz, Dean Loren, Boyd Graves and Proff Don witll be speaking on October 19th from 10P.M- 2A.M Eastern Standard Time. . www.xzone-radio.com Check the website to confirm times next week.

Times are Eastern Standard Dime.

10P - Don History and research (Who, What, When and Where)

11P - Len or Boyd If Len, AIDS EBOLA and Emerging Viruses and new

research (Avian Flu?)

12A - Boyd or Len If Boyd Ethnic Targeting and Government Law Suit for

SVCP info

1A - Loren Bio Assembly and Technology (how you create it in the lab)

Sincerely

Rose s.R.T,

Holistic Practitioner

Kelowna, B.C.

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Press Release

AIDS and Avian Flu,

Plagues, Made in America?

Researchers and scientists recommend an emergency restraining order on MedImmune Vaccines, Inc., FLU MIST

According to researcher team, Dr. Mark and Geier, the current flu vaccines are not only ineffective against the expected Avian Bird Flu pandemic but that “the FDA Approved thimerosal/mercury-free FLU MIST (MedImmune Vaccines, Inc., Gaithersburg, MD) vaccine may create a super strain virus plague”, warns Dr. Mark Geier.

The well respected research team has already alerted members of the medical community in Washington, DC recommending that any support for the FluMist vaccine be withdrawn immediately and a restraining order be issue to the vaccine manufacturers. The immediate and present danger lies in the suspicion that the FluMist contains 2 key genetic sequences needed for efficient human-to-human transmission that the avian flu is missing.

FluMist is a live cold-adapted trivalent nasally administered vaccine, which is currently being recommended for individuals between the age of 5 and 49 years. According to the 2005 Physicians Desk Reference (PDR), the probability of acquiring a transmitted vaccine virus following close contact with a single FluMist inoculee was estimated to be 2.4% (95% CI: 0.13-4.6) [31]. Because of the possible transmission of this vaccine’s viruses, vaccine recipients are advised to avoid close contact with immuno-compromised individuals for at least 21 days. Additionally, persons with conditions such as human immunodeficiency virus infection, malignancy, leukaemia, or lymphoma, and patients who may be immunosuppressed or have altered or compromised immune status as a consequence of treatment with systemic corticosteroids, alkylating drugs, antimetabolites, radiation, or other immunosuppressive therapies, may be at significant risk if exposed within 21 days to a FluMist vaccine inoculee. Other individuals who might be at high risk if exposed within 21 days to FluMist inoculees, include, but are not limited to, adults and children with chronic disorders of the cardiovascular and pulmonary systems, including asthma (which up to 25% of today’s children seem to have); pregnant women; and adults and children who required regular medical follow-up or hospitalization during the preceding year because of chronic metabolic diseases (including diabetes), renal dysfunction, or hemoglobinopathies. Additionally, because FluMist contains live influenza viruses, there is the possibility with the widespread use of FluMist, that an individual might have a second concurrent viral infection with another influenza strain (such as the avian bird flu), with the possibility that the live viruses from the FluMist recombine/re-assort with the second viral infection to produce a “super virus.” It is obvious from the extensive list of persons who might be at risk if exposed to a FluMist vaccine recipient within 21 days of vaccination, along with potential ability of the live influenza viruses within FluMist to recombine/re-assort with other viruses, that the continued use of FluMist presents a significant potential danger to the health and well-being of a wide segment of the population. This raises major concerns about the wisdom and ethics of recommending the use of FluMist for use in the general population.

Etiology of the Avian bird flu

According to Dr. Boyd Graves, who has been marginalized over the years by “official” government medical communities for speaking up about the possibility that AIDS was purposefully designed to be a ethnic specific virulent, genocidal agent, Avian flu pandemic could be science run amuck. “Amidst the current Centers for Disease Control media orchestrated public panic over the Avian Flu Pandemic, more and more scientists are beginning to look at the appearance of these lethal virulents as being ada?pted by science, genetically recombined as biowarfare agents, made in America,” says Graves.

The historical trail traces itself back to the 1843 discovery of the infectious agent (MYCOPLASMA) for the “SPOTTED LEAF DISEASE”, also known as the “TOBACCO MOSAIC VIRUS.” “At the core of human (cancer) disease”, says Graves, is this ‘mycoplasma’ entity that has been weaponized over time realizing lethal and incapacitating conditions for humanity”.

“The development of the mycoplasma from plant to animal to human is clear”, asserts Graves. “By 1898 the United States had realized the mycoplasma in cows, bovine spongiform encephalitis (BSE). By 1902, they had realized it in horses, equine infectious anemia virua (EIAV), in 1904, they realized it in goats, caprine arthritic encephalitis virus (CAEV). By 1910, they had realized it in fowl, Rous Sarcoma Virus (RSV)”, reports Graves after years and years of committed research into the subject.

According to page 14 – 15 of the 1978 progress report of the U.S. Special Virus program, the 1910 RSV is a product of recombinant genetics. Further review will show the 1918 Spanish Flu was a recombinant bird virus. “The same is true of the 2005 Avian flu’, comments Graves.

Is “recombinant” a natural occurrence in Nature or man made or both?

In 1918, the pandemic began not in a port city of this country, but in the Midwest. Tom , a whistleblower, working in the field of virology in the 1990s explains that the scientists who are “in the know” look towards the mid west, in specific, Missouri, to read the pulse of bird carrying plagues. “Birds from Asia and Europe converge at this spot due to the convergence of the Mississippi, Ohio and Missouri river. Various viruses recombine organically”, says . tells the story about the Missouri birthplace of the USA born deadly Flu of 1918 claiming that it was purposefully misnamed “Spanish Flu” as a distraction. He tells how A.J. Cohen, a veterinarian in Missouri in 1918 warned meat packers and distributors that a super virus was killing off pullets and piglets. However, Cohen was not only disregarded but his life was threatened by industry. “These meats were sent throughout the nation and ultimately over seas”, claims . American soldiers were exposed first to the recombinant and their war travels spread the virus to wherever they went. In fact, more soldiers died from the Spanish Flu than those who died in World War I. claim is that there is no such thing as “jumping species” as might have been designed and refined by biotechnology techniques as claimed by Dr. Boyd Graves and Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a popular lecturer on the subject and author of AID, EBOLA and other viruses. claims that the virus passes amongst species due to “wrapping your lips” around it, as he likes to phrase it. As a result of his research into the etiology of non specific species transferred plagues is now a deeply committed Vegan…that is no meat, no milk. He says the only way you can get the Avian Flu is by “eating” the infected species, or via fluid exchange, like blood transfers, sex, and close saliva contacts, like in AIDS.

Although one can usually find an originating template for bacteria, viruses and drugs in nature, Dr. Boyd Graves claims that US government purposefully brought these lethal viruses to a dangerous new level through biotechnology and laboratory recombinant technologies

When the United States began the Tuskegee syphilis experiments in 1932, they also began the testing of the infectious agent of HIV, the sheep virus VISNA. HIV contains sequences from a 1932 strain of VISNA, strain ks1514. However, in the 1971 progress report (#8) of the U.S. Special Virus program (1971), the United States concedes that VISNA had not yet been associated with human disease.

The United States cannot explain how VISNA is the “etiological agent” of HIV, as they report in 1985, 1986 and 1995. See, Science Vol 227, pp. 173 – 7, January, 1985, see also, PROC NAS Vol 83, pp.4007 – 11, June 1986 and PROC NAS Vol 92, pp. 3283 – 87, April 11, 1995.

“I believe we can have a much better understanding of medicine and science if we review the U.S. Laboratory of Hygiene (circa 1878), the 1902 Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, the 1904 Station for Experimental Evolution and the 1926 MIT “Virus Cancer” Conference”, says Graves. In addition, the May 1946 Appropriations Hearing addresses a ‘synthetic biological agent’ in “useable shape”. “This is the recognition of the VISNA agent, which now wreaks havoc across the biomedical world”, comments Graves. Dr. Boyd Graves is certain, that if we review and investigate the U.S. Special Virus program, we will solve not only HIV and AIDS, but we will answer many of the unknown origins of human disease. www.boydgraves.com

Meanwhile, Eileen Dannemann, director of the National Coalition of Organized women spearheading the collection of the various data wonders if the US government has been recently testing their virus collection on the greyhound dogs…hence the new canine flu epidemic causing CDC concerns about it “jumping species” and infecting humans. Tom would say don’t kiss your dog. Dr. Boyd Graves and Dr. Len Horowitz would say…just another covert clinical trial. Dr. Mark and Geier would say, in any case take Tamaflu, a prescriptive drug that biomedically short circuits the progression of flu disease. “Unfortunately, Dannemann concludes, “Congress is so invested in spending millions of dollars stockpiling ineffective vaccines, there is no room at the CDC Inn for Tamaflu, a proven product that may save millions of lives. Perhaps the CDC doesn’t share patent royalties on Tamaflu”, she sighs. “But in any case, I am a Vegan”, she winks as she dabs biblical “essential oils” in her ears.

November 9, 2005

So here is a novel thought, anyone who has a program later than August 05

has the bird flu on it, so why don't we put it into the Orgone field and get

it out there to reduce or remove it? Or invert the frequency in the test

matrix into a crystal or water to help keep the frequency away from us (use

it as a homeopathic)? What do you think? Worth a try? Or maybe I should

go to bed, and let my mind rest...

Yours in Health,

Kathy

Avian Flu

Gentlepeople,

The question is asked if the QXCI/SCIO can

do anything about the Avian Flu. Aside from

zapping the virus, supporting the immune

system and building Vitamin C reserves the

system may not be much help. <g>

There's an extremely interesting theory going

around that Vitamin C is both a preventative

and a cure for the Avian Flu. I've a friend whose

husband was very sick with the Flu and she

nursed him back to health with 4G Vitamin C a

day for three days. She's avoided getting the

flu and attributes it to Vit C as well.

The rumor is the virus consumes massive

amounts of Vitamin C, and people who die from

the flu appear to have died of scurvy.

Take care and have a great week,

.............................................

November 10, 2005

field limit 1000 metres

Dr Kelsey PhD

T:++44 (0)121 243 6318

F: ++44 (0)870 460 1138

Birmingham, UK

Avian Flu

>

> Gentlepeople,

>

> The question is asked if the QXCI/SCIO can

> do anything about the Avian Flu. Aside from

> zapping the virus, supporting the immune

> system and building Vitamin C reserves the

> system may not be much help. <g>

>

> There's an extremely interesting theory going

> around that Vitamin C is both a preventative

> and a cure for the Avian Flu. I've a friend whose

> husband was very sick with the Flu and she

> nursed him back to health with 4G Vitamin C a

> day for three days. She's avoided getting the

> flu and attributes it to Vit C as well.

>

> The rumor is the virus consumes massive

> amounts of Vitamin C, and people who die from

> the flu appear to have died of scurvy.

>

> Take care and have a great week,

>

> ............................................

>

November 13, 2005

Yep that's right 1000 meters times how many machines 7000 in the US that's a

pretty good coverage, hu

Kathy

Avian Flu

>>

>> Gentlepeople,

>>

>> The question is asked if the QXCI/SCIO can

>> do anything about the Avian Flu. Aside from

>> zapping the virus, supporting the immune

>> system and building Vitamin C reserves the

>> system may not be much help. <g>

>>

>> There's an extremely interesting theory going

>> around that Vitamin C is both a preventative

>> and a cure for the Avian Flu. I've a friend whose

>> husband was very sick with the Flu and she

>> nursed him back to health with 4G Vitamin C a

>> day for three days. She's avoided getting the

>> flu and attributes it to Vit C as well.

>>

>> The rumor is the virus consumes massive

>> amounts of Vitamin C, and people who die from

>> the flu appear to have died of scurvy.

>>

>> Take care and have a great week,

>>

>> ............................................

>>

January 9, 2006

Hi, .

You might be interested to know that a doctor on another list wrote me

about some research indicating that the angiotensin receptor blocker

drugs will depress the immune response in avian flu. This is very

interesting in view of a certain protocol (which we are not supposed

to mention here) that uses a drug of this type in connection with

antibiotics to combat intracellular bacterial infections. This was

the first I had heard that ARBs could also impact the immune response

to viral infections. I can't claim to understand this mechanism yet,

but thought you might be interested. Of course, these are

prescription drugs, and in the event of a pandemic of avian flu, I

don't think there will be enough doctors to go around, so I am still

focusing on the nebulized glutathione for treatment of avian flu

cases, as well as up-front prophylactic use of heavy vitamin C and

(for those who don't have significant body burdens of mercury) NAC. I

now have a nebulizer and some buffered glutathione on hand, just in

case.

In the case of PWCs, I think the vitamin C would still be a good idea,

but I'm even more interested in getting their glutathione up before

such a pandemic threat develops (if it ever does). NAC may not be

such a good idea for many PWCs, until their mercury is detoxed,

because the work by Aposhian that I reviewed a while back suggests

that it can move mercury into the brain. Dr. Quig wrote this in

an earlier paper as well. I'm hopeful that the DAN! autism treatments

will be a big help in raising the glutathione level for at least a

major subset of PWCs.

By the way, I spoke with Bernie Rimland, head of the Autism Research

Institute and the DAN! project on Saturday, and I think he is going to

send my post about CFS and DAN! treatment to the doctors on the DAN!

doctors list. It will be interesting to see what the response is.

I'm hopeful that the DAN! doctors may also be able to help PWCs.

Rich

>

> Rich started a thread on how we could best respond to the threat of

> avian flu, if it comes closer, and it has sort of petered out. Since

> the cause of death in that flu seems to be a 'cytokine storm' in the

> lungs, and we PWCs tend to have a heightened ('tho' often

> ineffective) immune response already, I think the subject deserves

> some more brain-storming. Rather than substances to heighten the

> immune reponse, it would seem to me we need either adaptogens to

> modulate it or possibly better, even something that will depresss

> cytokine response. Or regular outright anti-inflammatories? Let's

> have some more ideas!

>

March 17, 2006

[irene wrote]The homeopathic remedy Oscillococcinum is actually made from bird

flu, and is readily available at HF stores lately. It will NOt treat a case of

bird flu but it can be used preventively to safely build resistance in advance.

(Like homeopathic vaccination) [Gretchen] Irene, how long will homeopathic

remedies retain their potentcy? And what is the best environment for storing?

You said to use it preventively for bird flu, but isn't this the same remedy

that people use to treat common influenzas?

----- Original Message -----

From: Irene de Villiers

Here's how:

USe a few grains of it like 3 or so, make aqueous as attached, use 5 ml as a

dose.Dose twice a day for a week then weekly for 8 weeks.Stop unless there is

bird flu in the area, in which case use a weekly single dose as a booster.

Works for any species - so you can protect your cat, etc as well.

March 18, 2006

<<< [irene wrote]The homeopathic remedy Oscillococcinum is actually made

from bird flu, and is readily available at HF stores lately. It will NOt

treat a case of bird flu but it can be used preventively to safely build

resistance in advance. (Like homeopathic vaccination)>>>

> [Gretchen] Irene, how long will homeopathic remedies retain their

> potentcy? And what is the best environment for storing?

Hi Gretchen,

They last for ever - centuries anyway - as long as they are stored

properly:

* No strong chemicals, smells or tastes near them.

* Away from direct sunlight.

* If in liquid form they need alcohol to preserve them.

* Once they are made aqueous prior to use, you can keep them in the

fridge about a month without adding alcohol.

Any dark cupboard is a good option.

> You said to use it preventively for bird flu, but isn't this the

> same remedy that people use to treat common influenzas?

Yes.

Homeopathy uses the principle that in order to cure a disease you need

to present it with a similar disease of equal or greater strength - but

NOT an identical disease - and the two will annihilate each other.

For example in observing Nature, a person with smallpox can be given

cowpox from an infected cow and they will be cured. That works because

cowpox and smallpox are similar but not identical diseases. But if you

take smallpox substance from one person and give it to another person

with smallpox - you will NOT cure anything because they are identical

diseases - identical diseases can not cure each other.

Some principle with Oscillococcinum - it is similar to people flu - but

identical to bird flu - so you can not use ot to cure bird flu - only

people flu.

Prevention is separate, also a homeopathic principle:

We know from homeopathy that if you keep using a substance (like a

remedy) over and over for long enough, you will get the symptoms

associated with the remedy (the ones it would cure in a similar

disease). It's also found that when you stop taking the remedy (the one

you do not need) then the induced symptoms stop and you are VERY

resistant to ever getting them again.

This method of taking a remedy and forcing oneself to get symptoms - is

the way homeopathic remedies are " proved " and so we can document what

kinds of symptoms they can cure.

However you do not need to take the remedy so much that you get

symptoms, in order to develop the resistance that results in people who

do provings.

So for more than 200 years now, we have developed protocols for

taking a remedy in order to use it preventively. You never get any

symptoms - but you develop a resistance to the symptoms associated with

that remedy.

In other words, in the case of Oscillococcinum, if you take it often

enough while you are healthy - so that it is not enough to get any

symptoms from it, but it is often enough to develop resistance to bird

flu symptoms - then you will be safe from catching bird flu.

You can actually use any homeopathic remedy preventively in this way :-)

For example in my breeding cats, I use a remedy called pyrogenium

preventively to ensure none of the cats ever gets pyometra (a serious

uterine infection). They get one dose after parturition, and I have not

seen a pyometra in nearly 40 years of breeding:-)

I have a local vet " trained " to send the pyometra cases to me, (after he

saw with his own eyes how well it works) as vets are not really able to

cure it, they just spay the animal. That does not sit well with the

owners of valuable breeding animals. So I get the pyometra cases and

just use pyrogenium on them and they are fine in 3 days :-)

In this case it is a similar remedy so works for prevention and cure.

When the remedy is identical it will work for prevention but not cure.

So - you can use smallpox remedy to prevent smallpox disease.

And you can use oscillococcinum (bird flu remedy)to prevent bird flu

disease. And so on.

Hope I explained it a way that makes sense?

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc, AASCA, MCSSA, D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

March 18, 2006

Can you just take oscillococcinum pellets or do you have to make it aqueous?