Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Dear Dawn, All I need from you is a small paragraph outlining why you took to the doctor, how you trusted the doctor and the final outcome. I also need a personal experience about withdrawals. It's just going to be a warning letter titled " A Matter Of Trust " about Prozac with links to www.pssg.org. I've got some teacher friends who I'm sure will help spread the message and I will deliver these door to door as much as I can. I've got some political business with the teachers union coming up and maybe I'll get all 76,000 members onside. Wanna help get the church behind this? People know Prozac as a mental illness drug and to market it as a new " Midol " crosses the line. Especially when it's kids they're after. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Dear Dawn, All I need from you is a small paragraph outlining why you took to the doctor, how you trusted the doctor and the final outcome. I also need a personal experience about withdrawals. It's just going to be a warning letter titled " A Matter Of Trust " about Prozac with links to www.pssg.org. I've got some teacher friends who I'm sure will help spread the message and I will deliver these door to door as much as I can. I've got some political business with the teachers union coming up and maybe I'll get all 76,000 members onside. Wanna help get the church behind this? People know Prozac as a mental illness drug and to market it as a new " Midol " crosses the line. Especially when it's kids they're after. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 Are you eating only two meals a day to lose weight? In my experience, it works better to eat more meals but smaller ones because our bodies can more efficiently process smaller amounts of food at a time and there is less to store (as fat).  From: Forrester <bigpondaussies@...> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: my plan  I just want to tell you what my plan is. I'm going to eat between 10am and 11am for my early meal. I will eat again between 4:30 and 5pm for my evening meal. Two meals a day. I will eat at least 80 percent Beneficials and will supplement with neutrals. They don't hurt you. If I get hungry I will eat a little peice of meat which is very satisfying to me. My goal is to drink at least 3 glases of water before breakfast and between breakfast and dinner. Then another 2 glasses before 7pm. Too close to bed.....too many trips up at nite. Oct. 1 is a Saturday, so I will let you know any energy boost, change in sleep, and weight loss. Do you want to post what you eat daily? I think it gives everyone else good ideas for what they might eat that is different from their normal intake. Let me know. -- www.bigpondaussies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 I do fine on 2 meals. If I need a snack I will eat a small peice of meat. We can't digest more than 3-4 ounces of meat at a meal. I am retired and don't get nearly the exercise I once did, so 2 meals is pretty much all I need. If I find I need 3 meals I will just eat less by dividing it by 3. It is much easier for me to get my water in if I wait until later in the day to eat. I want it more. That's just my individual experience. Everyone is different. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote: > ** > > > Are you eating only two meals a day to lose weight? In my experience, it > works better to eat more meals but smaller ones because our bodies can more > efficiently process smaller amounts of food at a time and there is less to > store (as fat). > > > > From: Forrester <bigpondaussies@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:20 AM > Subject: my plan > > > > I just want to tell you what my plan is. I'm going to eat between 10am and > 11am for my early meal. I will eat again between 4:30 and 5pm for my > evening meal. Two meals a day. > I will eat at least 80 percent Beneficials and will supplement with > neutrals. They don't hurt you. If I get hungry I will eat a little peice > of meat which is very satisfying to me. My goal is to drink at least 3 > glases of water before breakfast and between breakfast and dinner. Then > another 2 glasses before 7pm. Too close to bed.....too many trips up at > nite. > Oct. 1 is a Saturday, so I will let you know any energy boost, change in > sleep, and weight loss. Do you want to post what you eat daily? I think it > gives everyone else good ideas for what they might eat that is different > from their normal intake. Let me know. > > > -- > www.bigpondaussies.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 I'm new to the diet but have found that I am naturally eating 5 small meals a day now versus the three before. I am eating much smaller amounts and feeling full. I'm so excited to have heard about this diet. On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote: > Are you eating only two meals a day to lose weight? In my experience, it works better to eat more meals but smaller ones because our bodies can more efficiently process smaller amounts of food at a time and there is less to store (as fat). > > > > From: Forrester <bigpondaussies@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:20 AM > Subject: my plan > > > I just want to tell you what my plan is. I'm going to eat between 10am and > 11am for my early meal. I will eat again between 4:30 and 5pm for my > evening meal. Two meals a day. > I will eat at least 80 percent Beneficials and will supplement with > neutrals. They don't hurt you. If I get hungry I will eat a little peice > of meat which is very satisfying to me. My goal is to drink at least 3 > glases of water before breakfast and between breakfast and dinner. Then > another 2 glasses before 7pm. Too close to bed.....too many trips up at > nite. > Oct. 1 is a Saturday, so I will let you know any energy boost, change in > sleep, and weight loss. Do you want to post what you eat daily? I think it > gives everyone else good ideas for what they might eat that is different > from their normal intake. Let me know. > > > -- > www.bigpondaussies.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I have a starting plan for meals etc, and I shall adjust it as I go, if i discover new information that may be beneficial with a change. I got a book recently as central fat is my big issue. I checked out a lot of book options and finally bought one called " The new ABS diet for women " by Zinczenko. I like that he frequently refers to formal medical studies to get information to use - that's more my style than the usual hype out there. Every principle he states has a handful of studies behind it. So I am optimistic that I may finally find something I can use to somehow scientifically force my reluctant central zone to lose its impressive geography and get more boringly flat. After all how else can I balance a cup of tea lying down:-) So: I shall be doing three meals and three snacks, with no more than 3 hrs max between eating events. As I sleep in the morning my meals will be 11am, and 2,4,7,9,and 11pm. Also I'll be sure to get protein within 15 mins of waking up, like 2 scrambled eggs with some cheese. (to help the diabetes aspect). Six eating sessions is a huge adjustment for me. I tend too easily to be sloppy and do to few eating times, though I know better. One study this author mentions is the one in Japan. Two diet groups ate either 2 meals a day or 6 meals a day. Both groups lost 11 lbs of weight but the 2 meals a day folks lost mostly muscle (3 lbs more muscle) and became flabby and the 6 meals a day guys lost mostly fat (3 lbs more fat) and looked better. I'm wanting to keep my muscle, so 6 a day it is. BUT - the even better reason to do six is that all the studies show that weight lost that loses muscle, is never kept off as the body wants its muscle. The lost fat system with muscle gained, is the best option for longterm, which is what I need - and that needs 6 meals. Every pound of muscle needs 50 more calories a day than without it - so losing muscle makes your body need less calories after the diet than before. That's the kind of diet result that does not last. Muscle kept and fat lost, also increases health as opposed to being pure weight loss losing muscles as well as fat. And you end up needing to eat MORE calories after the diet, to support all that new muscle :-) My food will be strict on calories - and by strict I do not mean low, I mean I'll stick to a calculated amount: I calculated how many calories my body needs at rest, plus what it needs at my activity level. Then I figured how many less calories to eat per day to lose a theoretical maximum of 2.5 lbs per week. The studies show that if you lose faster than that, it will definitely cause loss of muscle as well as fat. I can't afford that. For me, I need to lose ONLY fat and not muscle, as my illness steals muscle daily and it is a struggle to regain it daily. So I am trying to use all the scientific info I can to get this to have a chance of working. Something very handy I learned, is that aerobic exercise (my usual kind) causes one to develop a stronger heart etc but does NOT lose fat! To lose fat, one has to o short intense bursts of exercise instead of long slow ones. So I am trying to figure out how I can do that. This preparation and adjustment month is good for all this I figure. I truly want to lose central fat and not muscle. So it's not just " weight " I want to lose in my case. I'd even be okay to gain weight as long as the central fat got lost! I think :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I would be willing to try that plan, Irene. How do you figure how many calories you need? Or would it be bet to buy the book? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...>wrote: > ** > > > I have a starting plan for meals etc, and I shall adjust it as I go, if i > discover new information that may be beneficial with a change. > > I got a book recently as central fat is my big issue. I checked out a lot > of book options and finally bought > one called " The new ABS diet for women " by Zinczenko. > > I like that he frequently refers to formal medical studies to get > information to use - that's more my style than the usual hype out there. > Every principle he states has a handful of studies behind it. So I am > optimistic that I may finally find something I can use to somehow > scientifically force my reluctant central zone to lose its impressive > geography and get more boringly flat. After all how else can I balance a cup > of tea lying down:-) > > So: > I shall be doing three meals and three snacks, with no more than 3 hrs max > between eating events. > As I sleep in the morning my meals will be 11am, and 2,4,7,9,and 11pm. > Also I'll be sure to get protein within 15 mins of waking up, like 2 > scrambled eggs with some cheese. > (to help the diabetes aspect). > > Six eating sessions is a huge adjustment for me. I tend too easily to be > sloppy and do to few eating times, though I know better. > One study this author mentions is the one in Japan. Two diet groups ate > either 2 meals a day or 6 meals a day. Both groups lost 11 lbs of weight but > the 2 meals a day folks lost mostly muscle (3 lbs more muscle) and became > flabby and the 6 meals a day guys lost mostly fat (3 lbs more fat) and > looked better. > I'm wanting to keep my muscle, so 6 a day it is. > BUT - the even better reason to do six is that all the studies show that > weight lost that loses muscle, is never kept off as the body wants its > muscle. The lost fat system with muscle gained, is the best option for > longterm, which is what I need - and that needs 6 meals. Every pound of > muscle needs 50 more calories a day than without it - so losing muscle makes > your body need less calories after the diet than before. That's the kind of > diet result that does not last. > Muscle kept and fat lost, also increases health as opposed to being pure > weight loss losing muscles as well as fat. And you end up needing to eat > MORE calories after the diet, to support all that new muscle :-) > > My food will be strict on calories - and by strict I do not mean low, I > mean I'll stick to a calculated amount: I calculated how many calories my > body needs at rest, plus what it needs at my activity level. Then I figured > how many less calories to eat per day to lose a theoretical maximum of 2.5 > lbs per week. The studies show that if you lose faster than that, it will > definitely cause loss of muscle as well as fat. I can't afford that. > > For me, I need to lose ONLY fat and not muscle, as my illness steals muscle > daily and it is a struggle to regain it daily. So I am trying to use all the > scientific info I can to get this to have a chance of working. > > Something very handy I learned, is that aerobic exercise (my usual kind) > causes one to develop a stronger heart etc but does NOT lose fat! To lose > fat, one has to o short intense bursts of exercise instead of long slow > ones. So I am trying to figure out how I can do that. > > This preparation and adjustment month is good for all this I figure. > I truly want to lose central fat and not muscle. > So it's not just " weight " I want to lose in my case. > I'd even be okay to gain weight as long as the central fat got lost! > I think :-) > > Namaste, > Irene > -- > Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " > > > -- www.bigpondaussies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Forrester wrote: > I would be willing to try that plan, Irene. How do you figure how many > calories you need? Or would it be bet to buy the book? I've only read a quarter of the book by Zinczenko (that's the correct spelling) and have a lot of good ideas from it, so I am liking it. But it depends what your particular challenge is. Mine is retaining muscle. I have the April 2011 edition of the New Abs Diet for women. (There's also an older one) I'm planning to integrate this with other good books I have to get a combination of as many bits of good advice as I can find - and to try to choose beneficial for blood type options within that. How many calories needed: Take your weight in pounds and multiply by 11 for basic calories. Multiply the result by 1.6 to get resting metabolism calories needed. Add exercise minutes per day times 8. (I had none to add, I've been lazy). That is what you need in calories to stay alive at the same weight. To lose 2.5 lbs per week (more loses muscle not fat) subtract 1250 calories. This is your daly calories to eat, to lose 2.5 lbs a week, following the plan to use your metabolism and muscle to burn off fat. (A pound of muscle needs 50 calories a day more than a pound of fat, so muscle is good.) Namaste, Irene >> >> one called " The new ABS diet for women " by Zinczenko. >> >> I like that he frequently refers to formal medical studies to get >> information to use - that's more my style than the usual hype out there. >> Every principle he states has a handful of studies behind it. So I am >> optimistic that I may finally find something I can use to somehow >> scientifically force my reluctant central zone to lose its impressive >> geography and get more boringly flat. After all how else can I balance a cup >> of tea lying down:-) >> >> So: >> I shall be doing three meals and three snacks, with no more than 3 hrs max >> between eating events. >> As I sleep in the morning my meals will be 11am, and 2,4,7,9,and 11pm. >> Also I'll be sure to get protein within 15 mins of waking up, like 2 >> scrambled eggs with some cheese. >> (to help the diabetes aspect). >> >> Six eating sessions is a huge adjustment for me. I tend too easily to be >> sloppy and do to few eating times, though I know better. >> One study this author mentions is the one in Japan. Two diet groups ate >> either 2 meals a day or 6 meals a day. Both groups lost 11 lbs of weight but >> the 2 meals a day folks lost mostly muscle (3 lbs more muscle) and became >> flabby and the 6 meals a day guys lost mostly fat (3 lbs more fat) and >> looked better. >> I'm wanting to keep my muscle, so 6 a day it is. >> BUT - the even better reason to do six is that all the studies show that >> weight lost that loses muscle, is never kept off as the body wants its >> muscle. The lost fat system with muscle gained, is the best option for >> longterm, which is what I need - and that needs 6 meals. Every pound of >> muscle needs 50 more calories a day than without it - so losing muscle makes >> your body need less calories after the diet than before. That's the kind of >> diet result that does not last. >> Muscle kept and fat lost, also increases health as opposed to being pure >> weight loss losing muscles as well as fat. And you end up needing to eat >> MORE calories after the diet, to support all that new muscle :-) >> >> My food will be strict on calories - and by strict I do not mean low, I >> mean I'll stick to a calculated amount: I calculated how many calories my >> body needs at rest, plus what it needs at my activity level. Then I figured >> how many less calories to eat per day to lose a theoretical maximum of 2.5 >> lbs per week. The studies show that if you lose faster than that, it will >> definitely cause loss of muscle as well as fat. I can't afford that. >> >> For me, I need to lose ONLY fat and not muscle, as my illness steals muscle >> daily and it is a struggle to regain it daily. So I am trying to use all the >> scientific info I can to get this to have a chance of working. >> >> Something very handy I learned, is that aerobic exercise (my usual kind) >> causes one to develop a stronger heart etc but does NOT lose fat! To lose >> fat, one has to o short intense bursts of exercise instead of long slow >> ones. So I am trying to figure out how I can do that. >> >> This preparation and adjustment month is good for all this I figure. >> I truly want to lose central fat and not muscle. >> So it's not just " weight " I want to lose in my case. >> I'd even be okay to gain weight as long as the central fat got lost! >> I think :-) >> >> Namaste, >> Irene >> -- >> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. >> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. >> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) >> " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " >> >> >> > > > > -- > www.bigpondaussies.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ok, exercise minutes per day X8.....then what do I do with the result? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...>wrote: > ** > > > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Forrester wrote: > > > I would be willing to try that plan, Irene. How do you figure how many > > calories you need? Or would it be bet to buy the book? > > I've only read a quarter of the book by Zinczenko (that's the correct > spelling) and have a lot of good ideas from it, so I am liking it. But it > depends what your particular challenge is. Mine is retaining muscle. I have > the April 2011 edition of the New Abs Diet for women. (There's also an older > one) > I'm planning to integrate this with other good books I have to get a > combination of as many bits of good advice as I can find - and to try to > choose beneficial for blood type options within that. > > How many calories needed: > > Take your weight in pounds and multiply by 11 for basic calories. > Multiply the result by 1.6 to get resting metabolism calories needed. > Add exercise minutes per day times 8. (I had none to add, I've been lazy). > > That is what you need in calories to stay alive at the same weight. > To lose 2.5 lbs per week (more loses muscle not fat) subtract 1250 > calories. > > This is your daly calories to eat, to lose 2.5 lbs a week, following the > plan to use your metabolism and muscle to burn off fat. > (A pound of muscle needs 50 calories a day more than a pound of fat, so > muscle is good.) > > Namaste, > Irene > > >> > >> one called " The new ABS diet for women " by Zinczenko. > >> > >> I like that he frequently refers to formal medical studies to get > >> information to use - that's more my style than the usual hype out there. > >> Every principle he states has a handful of studies behind it. So I am > >> optimistic that I may finally find something I can use to somehow > >> scientifically force my reluctant central zone to lose its impressive > >> geography and get more boringly flat. After all how else can I balance a > cup > >> of tea lying down:-) > >> > >> So: > >> I shall be doing three meals and three snacks, with no more than 3 hrs > max > >> between eating events. > >> As I sleep in the morning my meals will be 11am, and 2,4,7,9,and 11pm. > >> Also I'll be sure to get protein within 15 mins of waking up, like 2 > >> scrambled eggs with some cheese. > >> (to help the diabetes aspect). > >> > >> Six eating sessions is a huge adjustment for me. I tend too easily to be > >> sloppy and do to few eating times, though I know better. > >> One study this author mentions is the one in Japan. Two diet groups ate > >> either 2 meals a day or 6 meals a day. Both groups lost 11 lbs of weight > but > >> the 2 meals a day folks lost mostly muscle (3 lbs more muscle) and > became > >> flabby and the 6 meals a day guys lost mostly fat (3 lbs more fat) and > >> looked better. > >> I'm wanting to keep my muscle, so 6 a day it is. > >> BUT - the even better reason to do six is that all the studies show that > >> weight lost that loses muscle, is never kept off as the body wants its > >> muscle. The lost fat system with muscle gained, is the best option for > >> longterm, which is what I need - and that needs 6 meals. Every pound of > >> muscle needs 50 more calories a day than without it - so losing muscle > makes > >> your body need less calories after the diet than before. That's the kind > of > >> diet result that does not last. > >> Muscle kept and fat lost, also increases health as opposed to being pure > >> weight loss losing muscles as well as fat. And you end up needing to eat > >> MORE calories after the diet, to support all that new muscle :-) > >> > >> My food will be strict on calories - and by strict I do not mean low, I > >> mean I'll stick to a calculated amount: I calculated how many calories > my > >> body needs at rest, plus what it needs at my activity level. Then I > figured > >> how many less calories to eat per day to lose a theoretical maximum of > 2.5 > >> lbs per week. The studies show that if you lose faster than that, it > will > >> definitely cause loss of muscle as well as fat. I can't afford that. > >> > >> For me, I need to lose ONLY fat and not muscle, as my illness steals > muscle > >> daily and it is a struggle to regain it daily. So I am trying to use all > the > >> scientific info I can to get this to have a chance of working. > >> > >> Something very handy I learned, is that aerobic exercise (my usual kind) > >> causes one to develop a stronger heart etc but does NOT lose fat! To > lose > >> fat, one has to o short intense bursts of exercise instead of long slow > >> ones. So I am trying to figure out how I can do that. > >> > >> This preparation and adjustment month is good for all this I figure. > >> I truly want to lose central fat and not muscle. > >> So it's not just " weight " I want to lose in my case. > >> I'd even be okay to gain weight as long as the central fat got lost! > >> I think :-) > >> > >> Namaste, > >> Irene > >> -- > >> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. > >> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. > >> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) > >> " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > www.bigpondaussies.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 On Sep 8, 2011, at 7:37 AM, Forrester wrote: > Ok, exercise minutes per day X8.....then what do I do with the result? > ?? Not sure what part was unclear.... Perhaps: Check my email here again, it does say what to do next: > >> How many calories needed: >> >> Take your weight in pounds and multiply by 11 for basic calories. >> Multiply the result by 1.6 to get resting metabolism calories needed. >> ADD the exercise minutes per day times 8. (I had none to add, I've been lazy). >> >> That is what you need in calories to stay alive at the same weight. >> To lose 2.5 lbs per week (more loses muscle not fat) subtract 1250 >> calories. >> >> This result is your daly calories to eat, to lose 2.5 lbs a week, following the >> plan to use your metabolism and muscle to burn off fat. >> (A pound of muscle needs 50 calories a day more than a pound of fat, so >> muscle is good.) >> >> Namaste, >> Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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