Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 well, this is all too sad - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Stinky > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 well, this is all too sad - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Stinky > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 well, this is all too sad - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Stinky > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 well, this is all too sad - the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Stinky > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 WILL INSERT: > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? " POSITIVE " HAS TO INCLUDE REALITY OR IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXERCISE IN KEEPING ONE'S COMFY LITTLE BUBBLE INTACT - SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE READY TO DEAL WITH...I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE SO NAIVE...YOU HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR YOU, BUT IT APPEARS YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME MAGICAL ABILITY TO CHANGE THINGS VIA " KICKING SOME ASS " IN ORDER TO GET THIS WHOLE CONQUEST UNDER YOUR BELT FOR WHATEVER REASONS...TROPHY HUNTING PERHAPS? NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR TROPHIES HERE - WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PATH TO JUSTICE AND EXPOSURE; I EMPHASIZE - THE *RIGHT* PATH, MEANING WELL THOUGHT OUT. YOU THINK THE BOZOS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE HAVEN'T WORKED DECADES ON THEIR DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION? I REALLY BELIEVED IT COULD BE DONE, QUICK, NOW, WHAM-BAM WAY BACK WHEN. *IT CAN'T* - DEAL WITH IT - THAT'S YOU'RE RESPONSIBILITY... And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT *HAVE* BEEN SPEAKING UP - TO THEIR DOCTORS, THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, *EVERYONE* THEY KNOW. I'VE WRITTEN NUMEROUS AUTHORS WHO ARE MAKING A KILLING OFF THEIR BOOKS *TALKING* ABOUT ALL THIS, I'VE WRITTEN BMJ AND BEEN PUBLISHED, I'VE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURER, THE FDA, CONGRESS PEOPLE, GIVEN MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE TO MEDIA AT THEIR REQUEST WHO *PROMISED* EXPOSURE - TO *NO* AVAIL. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN I ALONE - I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY OWN GROUP - THEY INCLUDE AN ANALYTICAL CHEMIST AND PHDS IN OTHER AREAS, AND OTHERS. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS BOARD IS NOT *NOT* SPEAKING UP, IT IS *HOW* TO SPEAK, *WHAT* TO SPEAK, AND *TO WHOM*. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OUNCE OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD. YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM A SEVERE LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA, ERGO, *GONG*... WRONG ANSWER... You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. REALITY OFTEN IS DOOM AND GLOOM - FACING IT AS IT IS AND WORKING HARD ON FIGURING OUT A WAY TO TURN THE TIDE TAKES MUCH THOUGHT AND CAREFUL PLANNING...NOT BLIND RAGE AND FALSE BRAVADO, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO DO JUST THOSE TWO THINGS: CAUSE BLINDNESS AND MORE FALSENESS. NOTHING WILL COME OF TACTICS ORIGINATING FROM THESE TWO STATES OF MIND. THEIR EXPRESSION *IS* THERAPEUTIC, BUT, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT BELONG IN DECISION MAKING AS TO HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS FIGHT. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? THERE ARE *NOT* HUNDREDS OF US IN A COHESIVE WHOLE HERE OR ANYWHERE YET. THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT. AND, YES, THEY *CAN* AND WILL SUBVERT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. FOR GOD'S SAKE, JAMO, THEY KNOCK OFF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR LESS TO KEEP THINGS UNDER WRAP. HOW OLD ARE YOU???? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. KEY WORD: *STARTING* - THEY ARE PERSECUTING HEALY FOR WHAT HE HAS SAID AND DONE - HE'S GOT THE CLOUT TO SOMEHOW STAY AFLOAT DURING THE HAILSTORM THERE. THE BIG SHOT WRITERS, THE EXPERTS ON OUR SIDE, THEY LIVE IN A WORLD THAT INSULATES THEM - THEY ARE LONE WOLVES, NO THREAT YET. IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, JAMO, A WHOLE LOT BIGGER... Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. WERE YOU UNDER A ROCK WHEN THEY ROLLED OVER THOSE YOUNG BODIES WHO WERE VOICING THEIR " PUBLIC OUTCRY " IN CHINA? THE WHOLE FLIPPING WORLD SAW IT ON CNN, GRABBED A BEER AND BELCHED. " GEE, WHAT A SHAME... " DID *THAT* *CHANGE* ANYTHING???? > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. I SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, AND THEY COMMIT ME. YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE OF THE POWER THEY HAVE - NOT A FLIPPING CLUE. ASK THE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SCREAMED AND BEEN BLOWN OFF. WE ARE ANTS IN THIS ENDEAVOR - WE NEED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS UNDERGROUND BEFORE WE STING WITH THE UNRESTRAINED SCREAMING YOU ARE ADVOCATING... The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. AH, YES, BUT I AM HYSTERICAL AT TIMES - AND THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU *WANT* TO HEAR US EXPRESS? IS HYSTERIA NOT ACCOMPANIED BY " DRAMA? " THAT *PRECISELY* **PROVES** MY POINT ABOUT YOUR ADMONITIONS TO SCREAM OUT: *YOU* **YOURSELF** ARE PERCIEVING ME AS HYSTERICAL, DRAMATIC, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!! WHAT THE HOLY HELL MAKES YOU THINK THE ONES YOU'RE TELLING US TO SCREAM TO ARE GOING TO THINK ANY DIFFERENT OR SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GIVE A SHIES *0R* COWER IN FEAR. NAIVE...BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. JAMO, IF YOU CAN'T HANG FOR A MONTH, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT - THIS ISN'T YOUR BATTLE AND THERE ARE OTHER ARENAS WHERE YOU CAN OFFER YOUR VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS - WHICH I HAVE VALUED. I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LEAVE... MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS AND GIVEN SO MUCH OF OURSELVES AWAY IT SEEMS AS IF THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE. THEN, YOU'VE GOT DR. TRACY, BREGGIN, MOSHER, ALL THE BIGGIES - FOR *YEARS* - THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BLOW IT IN *OUR* PART IN THIS BATTLE. IT TAKES THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH MUCH FRUSTRATION, BLOCKED DOORS, LET-DOWNS AND SACRIFICE. IF ONE CAN'T PASS BOOT CAMP, ONE DOES NOT GO INTO THE BATTLE... I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. BINGO. *YOUR DESIRE* - IT WAS MINE FROM THE GET-GO. ENTER IN REALITY. YOU USED THE WORDS, " MY PRETTY " SOME TIME BACK ABOUT TAKING THESE GUYS DOWN. REALITY IN OZ WAS THAT THE ONE WHO UTTERED THOSE WORDS WOUND UP A PUDDLE OF STEAMING STINK. SHE DIDN'T PREVAIL WITH THAT ATTITUDE NOR HER TACTICS - AND WE DEFINITELY AIN'T GOT NO RUBY RED SLIPPERS HANGING AROUND ANYWHERE HERE THAT I CAN SEE. OUR DESIRES AND HOW WE WANT THINGS DONE CAN BE ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS A BABY THROWING A TANTRUM - HE/SHE SOON REALIZES THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND THEM AND THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH GOING ON OUT THERE THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN... > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, HOPE YOU RECONSIDER- AND, IF NOT, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU FIND 'EM ALL... COLLISSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 WILL INSERT: > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? " POSITIVE " HAS TO INCLUDE REALITY OR IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXERCISE IN KEEPING ONE'S COMFY LITTLE BUBBLE INTACT - SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE READY TO DEAL WITH...I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE SO NAIVE...YOU HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR YOU, BUT IT APPEARS YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME MAGICAL ABILITY TO CHANGE THINGS VIA " KICKING SOME ASS " IN ORDER TO GET THIS WHOLE CONQUEST UNDER YOUR BELT FOR WHATEVER REASONS...TROPHY HUNTING PERHAPS? NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR TROPHIES HERE - WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PATH TO JUSTICE AND EXPOSURE; I EMPHASIZE - THE *RIGHT* PATH, MEANING WELL THOUGHT OUT. YOU THINK THE BOZOS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE HAVEN'T WORKED DECADES ON THEIR DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION? I REALLY BELIEVED IT COULD BE DONE, QUICK, NOW, WHAM-BAM WAY BACK WHEN. *IT CAN'T* - DEAL WITH IT - THAT'S YOU'RE RESPONSIBILITY... And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT *HAVE* BEEN SPEAKING UP - TO THEIR DOCTORS, THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, *EVERYONE* THEY KNOW. I'VE WRITTEN NUMEROUS AUTHORS WHO ARE MAKING A KILLING OFF THEIR BOOKS *TALKING* ABOUT ALL THIS, I'VE WRITTEN BMJ AND BEEN PUBLISHED, I'VE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURER, THE FDA, CONGRESS PEOPLE, GIVEN MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE TO MEDIA AT THEIR REQUEST WHO *PROMISED* EXPOSURE - TO *NO* AVAIL. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN I ALONE - I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY OWN GROUP - THEY INCLUDE AN ANALYTICAL CHEMIST AND PHDS IN OTHER AREAS, AND OTHERS. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS BOARD IS NOT *NOT* SPEAKING UP, IT IS *HOW* TO SPEAK, *WHAT* TO SPEAK, AND *TO WHOM*. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OUNCE OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD. YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM A SEVERE LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA, ERGO, *GONG*... WRONG ANSWER... You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. REALITY OFTEN IS DOOM AND GLOOM - FACING IT AS IT IS AND WORKING HARD ON FIGURING OUT A WAY TO TURN THE TIDE TAKES MUCH THOUGHT AND CAREFUL PLANNING...NOT BLIND RAGE AND FALSE BRAVADO, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO DO JUST THOSE TWO THINGS: CAUSE BLINDNESS AND MORE FALSENESS. NOTHING WILL COME OF TACTICS ORIGINATING FROM THESE TWO STATES OF MIND. THEIR EXPRESSION *IS* THERAPEUTIC, BUT, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT BELONG IN DECISION MAKING AS TO HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS FIGHT. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? THERE ARE *NOT* HUNDREDS OF US IN A COHESIVE WHOLE HERE OR ANYWHERE YET. THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT. AND, YES, THEY *CAN* AND WILL SUBVERT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. FOR GOD'S SAKE, JAMO, THEY KNOCK OFF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR LESS TO KEEP THINGS UNDER WRAP. HOW OLD ARE YOU???? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. KEY WORD: *STARTING* - THEY ARE PERSECUTING HEALY FOR WHAT HE HAS SAID AND DONE - HE'S GOT THE CLOUT TO SOMEHOW STAY AFLOAT DURING THE HAILSTORM THERE. THE BIG SHOT WRITERS, THE EXPERTS ON OUR SIDE, THEY LIVE IN A WORLD THAT INSULATES THEM - THEY ARE LONE WOLVES, NO THREAT YET. IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, JAMO, A WHOLE LOT BIGGER... Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. WERE YOU UNDER A ROCK WHEN THEY ROLLED OVER THOSE YOUNG BODIES WHO WERE VOICING THEIR " PUBLIC OUTCRY " IN CHINA? THE WHOLE FLIPPING WORLD SAW IT ON CNN, GRABBED A BEER AND BELCHED. " GEE, WHAT A SHAME... " DID *THAT* *CHANGE* ANYTHING???? > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. I SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, AND THEY COMMIT ME. YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE OF THE POWER THEY HAVE - NOT A FLIPPING CLUE. ASK THE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SCREAMED AND BEEN BLOWN OFF. WE ARE ANTS IN THIS ENDEAVOR - WE NEED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS UNDERGROUND BEFORE WE STING WITH THE UNRESTRAINED SCREAMING YOU ARE ADVOCATING... The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. AH, YES, BUT I AM HYSTERICAL AT TIMES - AND THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU *WANT* TO HEAR US EXPRESS? IS HYSTERIA NOT ACCOMPANIED BY " DRAMA? " THAT *PRECISELY* **PROVES** MY POINT ABOUT YOUR ADMONITIONS TO SCREAM OUT: *YOU* **YOURSELF** ARE PERCIEVING ME AS HYSTERICAL, DRAMATIC, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!! WHAT THE HOLY HELL MAKES YOU THINK THE ONES YOU'RE TELLING US TO SCREAM TO ARE GOING TO THINK ANY DIFFERENT OR SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GIVE A SHIES *0R* COWER IN FEAR. NAIVE...BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. JAMO, IF YOU CAN'T HANG FOR A MONTH, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT - THIS ISN'T YOUR BATTLE AND THERE ARE OTHER ARENAS WHERE YOU CAN OFFER YOUR VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS - WHICH I HAVE VALUED. I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LEAVE... MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS AND GIVEN SO MUCH OF OURSELVES AWAY IT SEEMS AS IF THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE. THEN, YOU'VE GOT DR. TRACY, BREGGIN, MOSHER, ALL THE BIGGIES - FOR *YEARS* - THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BLOW IT IN *OUR* PART IN THIS BATTLE. IT TAKES THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH MUCH FRUSTRATION, BLOCKED DOORS, LET-DOWNS AND SACRIFICE. IF ONE CAN'T PASS BOOT CAMP, ONE DOES NOT GO INTO THE BATTLE... I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. BINGO. *YOUR DESIRE* - IT WAS MINE FROM THE GET-GO. ENTER IN REALITY. YOU USED THE WORDS, " MY PRETTY " SOME TIME BACK ABOUT TAKING THESE GUYS DOWN. REALITY IN OZ WAS THAT THE ONE WHO UTTERED THOSE WORDS WOUND UP A PUDDLE OF STEAMING STINK. SHE DIDN'T PREVAIL WITH THAT ATTITUDE NOR HER TACTICS - AND WE DEFINITELY AIN'T GOT NO RUBY RED SLIPPERS HANGING AROUND ANYWHERE HERE THAT I CAN SEE. OUR DESIRES AND HOW WE WANT THINGS DONE CAN BE ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS A BABY THROWING A TANTRUM - HE/SHE SOON REALIZES THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND THEM AND THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH GOING ON OUT THERE THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN... > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, HOPE YOU RECONSIDER- AND, IF NOT, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU FIND 'EM ALL... COLLISSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 WILL INSERT: > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? " POSITIVE " HAS TO INCLUDE REALITY OR IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXERCISE IN KEEPING ONE'S COMFY LITTLE BUBBLE INTACT - SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE READY TO DEAL WITH...I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE SO NAIVE...YOU HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR YOU, BUT IT APPEARS YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME MAGICAL ABILITY TO CHANGE THINGS VIA " KICKING SOME ASS " IN ORDER TO GET THIS WHOLE CONQUEST UNDER YOUR BELT FOR WHATEVER REASONS...TROPHY HUNTING PERHAPS? NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR TROPHIES HERE - WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PATH TO JUSTICE AND EXPOSURE; I EMPHASIZE - THE *RIGHT* PATH, MEANING WELL THOUGHT OUT. YOU THINK THE BOZOS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE HAVEN'T WORKED DECADES ON THEIR DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION? I REALLY BELIEVED IT COULD BE DONE, QUICK, NOW, WHAM-BAM WAY BACK WHEN. *IT CAN'T* - DEAL WITH IT - THAT'S YOU'RE RESPONSIBILITY... And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT *HAVE* BEEN SPEAKING UP - TO THEIR DOCTORS, THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, *EVERYONE* THEY KNOW. I'VE WRITTEN NUMEROUS AUTHORS WHO ARE MAKING A KILLING OFF THEIR BOOKS *TALKING* ABOUT ALL THIS, I'VE WRITTEN BMJ AND BEEN PUBLISHED, I'VE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURER, THE FDA, CONGRESS PEOPLE, GIVEN MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE TO MEDIA AT THEIR REQUEST WHO *PROMISED* EXPOSURE - TO *NO* AVAIL. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN I ALONE - I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY OWN GROUP - THEY INCLUDE AN ANALYTICAL CHEMIST AND PHDS IN OTHER AREAS, AND OTHERS. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS BOARD IS NOT *NOT* SPEAKING UP, IT IS *HOW* TO SPEAK, *WHAT* TO SPEAK, AND *TO WHOM*. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OUNCE OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD. YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM A SEVERE LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA, ERGO, *GONG*... WRONG ANSWER... You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. REALITY OFTEN IS DOOM AND GLOOM - FACING IT AS IT IS AND WORKING HARD ON FIGURING OUT A WAY TO TURN THE TIDE TAKES MUCH THOUGHT AND CAREFUL PLANNING...NOT BLIND RAGE AND FALSE BRAVADO, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO DO JUST THOSE TWO THINGS: CAUSE BLINDNESS AND MORE FALSENESS. NOTHING WILL COME OF TACTICS ORIGINATING FROM THESE TWO STATES OF MIND. THEIR EXPRESSION *IS* THERAPEUTIC, BUT, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT BELONG IN DECISION MAKING AS TO HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS FIGHT. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? THERE ARE *NOT* HUNDREDS OF US IN A COHESIVE WHOLE HERE OR ANYWHERE YET. THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT. AND, YES, THEY *CAN* AND WILL SUBVERT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. FOR GOD'S SAKE, JAMO, THEY KNOCK OFF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR LESS TO KEEP THINGS UNDER WRAP. HOW OLD ARE YOU???? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. KEY WORD: *STARTING* - THEY ARE PERSECUTING HEALY FOR WHAT HE HAS SAID AND DONE - HE'S GOT THE CLOUT TO SOMEHOW STAY AFLOAT DURING THE HAILSTORM THERE. THE BIG SHOT WRITERS, THE EXPERTS ON OUR SIDE, THEY LIVE IN A WORLD THAT INSULATES THEM - THEY ARE LONE WOLVES, NO THREAT YET. IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, JAMO, A WHOLE LOT BIGGER... Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. WERE YOU UNDER A ROCK WHEN THEY ROLLED OVER THOSE YOUNG BODIES WHO WERE VOICING THEIR " PUBLIC OUTCRY " IN CHINA? THE WHOLE FLIPPING WORLD SAW IT ON CNN, GRABBED A BEER AND BELCHED. " GEE, WHAT A SHAME... " DID *THAT* *CHANGE* ANYTHING???? > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. I SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, AND THEY COMMIT ME. YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE OF THE POWER THEY HAVE - NOT A FLIPPING CLUE. ASK THE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SCREAMED AND BEEN BLOWN OFF. WE ARE ANTS IN THIS ENDEAVOR - WE NEED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS UNDERGROUND BEFORE WE STING WITH THE UNRESTRAINED SCREAMING YOU ARE ADVOCATING... The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. AH, YES, BUT I AM HYSTERICAL AT TIMES - AND THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU *WANT* TO HEAR US EXPRESS? IS HYSTERIA NOT ACCOMPANIED BY " DRAMA? " THAT *PRECISELY* **PROVES** MY POINT ABOUT YOUR ADMONITIONS TO SCREAM OUT: *YOU* **YOURSELF** ARE PERCIEVING ME AS HYSTERICAL, DRAMATIC, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!! WHAT THE HOLY HELL MAKES YOU THINK THE ONES YOU'RE TELLING US TO SCREAM TO ARE GOING TO THINK ANY DIFFERENT OR SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GIVE A SHIES *0R* COWER IN FEAR. NAIVE...BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. JAMO, IF YOU CAN'T HANG FOR A MONTH, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT - THIS ISN'T YOUR BATTLE AND THERE ARE OTHER ARENAS WHERE YOU CAN OFFER YOUR VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS - WHICH I HAVE VALUED. I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LEAVE... MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS AND GIVEN SO MUCH OF OURSELVES AWAY IT SEEMS AS IF THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE. THEN, YOU'VE GOT DR. TRACY, BREGGIN, MOSHER, ALL THE BIGGIES - FOR *YEARS* - THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BLOW IT IN *OUR* PART IN THIS BATTLE. IT TAKES THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH MUCH FRUSTRATION, BLOCKED DOORS, LET-DOWNS AND SACRIFICE. IF ONE CAN'T PASS BOOT CAMP, ONE DOES NOT GO INTO THE BATTLE... I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. BINGO. *YOUR DESIRE* - IT WAS MINE FROM THE GET-GO. ENTER IN REALITY. YOU USED THE WORDS, " MY PRETTY " SOME TIME BACK ABOUT TAKING THESE GUYS DOWN. REALITY IN OZ WAS THAT THE ONE WHO UTTERED THOSE WORDS WOUND UP A PUDDLE OF STEAMING STINK. SHE DIDN'T PREVAIL WITH THAT ATTITUDE NOR HER TACTICS - AND WE DEFINITELY AIN'T GOT NO RUBY RED SLIPPERS HANGING AROUND ANYWHERE HERE THAT I CAN SEE. OUR DESIRES AND HOW WE WANT THINGS DONE CAN BE ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS A BABY THROWING A TANTRUM - HE/SHE SOON REALIZES THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND THEM AND THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH GOING ON OUT THERE THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN... > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, HOPE YOU RECONSIDER- AND, IF NOT, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU FIND 'EM ALL... COLLISSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 WILL INSERT: > CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you > offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that -trust you, > you know! Have you anything positive to offer? " POSITIVE " HAS TO INCLUDE REALITY OR IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXERCISE IN KEEPING ONE'S COMFY LITTLE BUBBLE INTACT - SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE READY TO DEAL WITH...I'M SURPRISED YOU ARE SO NAIVE...YOU HAVE SO MUCH GOING FOR YOU, BUT IT APPEARS YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME MAGICAL ABILITY TO CHANGE THINGS VIA " KICKING SOME ASS " IN ORDER TO GET THIS WHOLE CONQUEST UNDER YOUR BELT FOR WHATEVER REASONS...TROPHY HUNTING PERHAPS? NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR TROPHIES HERE - WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PATH TO JUSTICE AND EXPOSURE; I EMPHASIZE - THE *RIGHT* PATH, MEANING WELL THOUGHT OUT. YOU THINK THE BOZOS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE HAVEN'T WORKED DECADES ON THEIR DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION? I REALLY BELIEVED IT COULD BE DONE, QUICK, NOW, WHAM-BAM WAY BACK WHEN. *IT CAN'T* - DEAL WITH IT - THAT'S YOU'RE RESPONSIBILITY... And please, since when > is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HURT *HAVE* BEEN SPEAKING UP - TO THEIR DOCTORS, THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, *EVERYONE* THEY KNOW. I'VE WRITTEN NUMEROUS AUTHORS WHO ARE MAKING A KILLING OFF THEIR BOOKS *TALKING* ABOUT ALL THIS, I'VE WRITTEN BMJ AND BEEN PUBLISHED, I'VE TALKED TO THE MANUFACTURER, THE FDA, CONGRESS PEOPLE, GIVEN MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE TO MEDIA AT THEIR REQUEST WHO *PROMISED* EXPOSURE - TO *NO* AVAIL. AND IT HAS NOT BEEN I ALONE - I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY OWN GROUP - THEY INCLUDE AN ANALYTICAL CHEMIST AND PHDS IN OTHER AREAS, AND OTHERS. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS BOARD IS NOT *NOT* SPEAKING UP, IT IS *HOW* TO SPEAK, *WHAT* TO SPEAK, AND *TO WHOM*. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OUNCE OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD. YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM A SEVERE LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR ARENA, ERGO, *GONG*... WRONG ANSWER... You > give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom and doom, and I really don't > think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless > and helpless. REALITY OFTEN IS DOOM AND GLOOM - FACING IT AS IT IS AND WORKING HARD ON FIGURING OUT A WAY TO TURN THE TIDE TAKES MUCH THOUGHT AND CAREFUL PLANNING...NOT BLIND RAGE AND FALSE BRAVADO, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO DO JUST THOSE TWO THINGS: CAUSE BLINDNESS AND MORE FALSENESS. NOTHING WILL COME OF TACTICS ORIGINATING FROM THESE TWO STATES OF MIND. THEIR EXPRESSION *IS* THERAPEUTIC, BUT, IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT BELONG IN DECISION MAKING AS TO HOW TO BE EFFECTIVE IN THIS FIGHT. My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- > considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from > these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able > to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? THERE ARE *NOT* HUNDREDS OF US IN A COHESIVE WHOLE HERE OR ANYWHERE YET. THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT. AND, YES, THEY *CAN* AND WILL SUBVERT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. FOR GOD'S SAKE, JAMO, THEY KNOCK OFF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR LESS TO KEEP THINGS UNDER WRAP. HOW OLD ARE YOU???? Word is starting > to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend > it credence. KEY WORD: *STARTING* - THEY ARE PERSECUTING HEALY FOR WHAT HE HAS SAID AND DONE - HE'S GOT THE CLOUT TO SOMEHOW STAY AFLOAT DURING THE HAILSTORM THERE. THE BIG SHOT WRITERS, THE EXPERTS ON OUR SIDE, THEY LIVE IN A WORLD THAT INSULATES THEM - THEY ARE LONE WOLVES, NO THREAT YET. IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN YOU THINK, JAMO, A WHOLE LOT BIGGER... Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this > situation will ever be resolved. WERE YOU UNDER A ROCK WHEN THEY ROLLED OVER THOSE YOUNG BODIES WHO WERE VOICING THEIR " PUBLIC OUTCRY " IN CHINA? THE WHOLE FLIPPING WORLD SAW IT ON CNN, GRABBED A BEER AND BELCHED. " GEE, WHAT A SHAME... " DID *THAT* *CHANGE* ANYTHING???? > > , I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ > COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of > yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you > deserve to be heard. I SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, AND THEY COMMIT ME. YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE OF THE POWER THEY HAVE - NOT A FLIPPING CLUE. ASK THE PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE SCREAMED AND BEEN BLOWN OFF. WE ARE ANTS IN THIS ENDEAVOR - WE NEED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS UNDERGROUND BEFORE WE STING WITH THE UNRESTRAINED SCREAMING YOU ARE ADVOCATING... The likes of us here in this discussion group, or > any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility > for making yourselves heard - any way you can. > > COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to > listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry > to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to > trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged > on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- > minded fools. AH, YES, BUT I AM HYSTERICAL AT TIMES - AND THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU *WANT* TO HEAR US EXPRESS? IS HYSTERIA NOT ACCOMPANIED BY " DRAMA? " THAT *PRECISELY* **PROVES** MY POINT ABOUT YOUR ADMONITIONS TO SCREAM OUT: *YOU* **YOURSELF** ARE PERCIEVING ME AS HYSTERICAL, DRAMATIC, AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!! WHAT THE HOLY HELL MAKES YOU THINK THE ONES YOU'RE TELLING US TO SCREAM TO ARE GOING TO THINK ANY DIFFERENT OR SOMEHOW MAGICALLY GIVE A SHIES *0R* COWER IN FEAR. NAIVE...BEEN THERE, DONE THAT... > > DAWN< TIM, JIM, CHARLY ~ I am unsubscribing from the group, because > after a month of immersing myself in this, I have come to the > conclusion that I will not accomplish MY goal of increasing public > awareness in this forum. Increasing public awareness means INCREASING > PUBLIC AWARENESS. It doesn't mean sitting around at your computer and > making committee decisions that go absolutely nowhere. In a month, it > seems like we could have at least gotten SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED. JAMO, IF YOU CAN'T HANG FOR A MONTH, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT - THIS ISN'T YOUR BATTLE AND THERE ARE OTHER ARENAS WHERE YOU CAN OFFER YOUR VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS - WHICH I HAVE VALUED. I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU LEAVE... MANY OF US HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR YEARS AND GIVEN SO MUCH OF OURSELVES AWAY IT SEEMS AS IF THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE. THEN, YOU'VE GOT DR. TRACY, BREGGIN, MOSHER, ALL THE BIGGIES - FOR *YEARS* - THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BLOW IT IN *OUR* PART IN THIS BATTLE. IT TAKES THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH MUCH FRUSTRATION, BLOCKED DOORS, LET-DOWNS AND SACRIFICE. IF ONE CAN'T PASS BOOT CAMP, ONE DOES NOT GO INTO THE BATTLE... I > admit that I am peevish about this. My desire to effect a change needs > more action that what I have been able to find here. BINGO. *YOUR DESIRE* - IT WAS MINE FROM THE GET-GO. ENTER IN REALITY. YOU USED THE WORDS, " MY PRETTY " SOME TIME BACK ABOUT TAKING THESE GUYS DOWN. REALITY IN OZ WAS THAT THE ONE WHO UTTERED THOSE WORDS WOUND UP A PUDDLE OF STEAMING STINK. SHE DIDN'T PREVAIL WITH THAT ATTITUDE NOR HER TACTICS - AND WE DEFINITELY AIN'T GOT NO RUBY RED SLIPPERS HANGING AROUND ANYWHERE HERE THAT I CAN SEE. OUR DESIRES AND HOW WE WANT THINGS DONE CAN BE ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS A BABY THROWING A TANTRUM - HE/SHE SOON REALIZES THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND THEM AND THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH GOING ON OUT THERE THEY STILL HAVE TO LEARN... > > I'll continue to read the board, but I hereby withdraw from the > discussion. I need to save my anger for the bad guys. I wish you > health and happiness, and hope that you'll find satisfaction someday. I > will continue the fight alongside a more vocal group - there are so > many! Kind regards, HOPE YOU RECONSIDER- AND, IF NOT, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU FIND 'EM ALL... COLLISSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Dear Jamo, I'm going to assume you are not gone and address this. I also feel I need to explain myself to the group as you have misrepresented me. You said: <<CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that - trust you, you know! Have you anything positive to offer? >> ** Yes, I do. You were in meetings where I presented my views. Because I do not agree with your ideas does not mean I have nothing positive to offer. The fact is, if I can prevent a mistake from being made by providing feedback about an idea, then I've done something positive. The problem of these drugs is not going to be addressed by being more concerned about people's feelings than the viability and effectiveness of a plan. The most successful organizations and companies in this nation are those that are willing to leave egos and feelings out and fearlessly evaluate every plan in relation to their long term goal. This yieldssuccess. You said: <<And please, since when is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom a nd doom, and I really don't think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless and helpless.>> ** If you are feeling helpless, then say that. I've had no indications from anyone else that they are affected this way from what I say. You said: <<My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? >> ** You are very naive about this. You are coming off half-cocked. Yes, I do think it is harmful for people to someday find their heartfelt letters mocked in public on the internet. Do I think they can ignore this? I KNOW they can ignore this. Our proof of this is in the treatment of those with Gulf War Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity...the list goes on. You said: <<Word is starting to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this situation will ever be resolved.>> ** There has been public outcry for years about Love Canal...Three Mile Island, again - Gulf War Syndrome. The only time the people are heard is when the right people are listening. It is a waste if time, energy, and spirit to try to convince the enemy. A retired psychiatrist who is in bed with several pharmaceutical companies and makes his living protecting them is not a good choice as a potential ally as far as I'm concerned. How many of these campaigns have you engaged in from start to finish, Jamo? It took over 15 years to get an Office of Complementary and Alternative Medicine created and funded. I was in on this effort the entire time. It wasn't people cying about what conventional medicine had done to them and begging for safer, more natural therapies that did it. It was talking to carefully targeted people who have money, power an influence that finally made a difference. You said: <<, I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility for making yourselves heard - any way you can. >> ** The people who need to listen - those who can make changes - are not going to listen to people who rant, rave, and use anger and grief as their tools. This kind of approach will be chalked up to " mental illness " . Have you thoroughly read Breggin's site? How about Ann Blake 's site? These people, as well as others, have been working for years to educate " the doctors " . I have, too. We've made very little progress. It is not practicing doctors who make changes.. They are merely the monkeys who follow " accepted treatment " as put forth by the FDA. Not following this can result in losing their licenses. There are not enough people complaining about SSRIs and SNRIs for doctors to take notice. This is not because people aren't experiencing these things, it is because people don't realize what is happening to them, AND because most doctors chalk up these complaints to " mental instability " , people being " overly-emotional " , and just plain " ignorance of the lay person " . You said: <<COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- minded fools. >> ** Yes, " dramatics " do push people away. But what you're seeing is not drama, it is Collissa's way of expressing herself. What is not drama to one, can be drama to another - it's quite subjective. The actions for which you advocate would be judged as drama by most people. Those in a position to do effect the changes we seek will be repelled by emotions. In closing, I'm not going to plead with you to stay because I believe that whatever is supposed to happen, will happen. Those who are supposed to be a part of this will be. I trust the wisdom of the Universe to sort this out naturally. There is no doubt in my mind that this battle will be won as long as we don't defeat ourselves. Predicating actions on emotions is one of the many ways we can be self-defeating. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Dear Jamo, I'm going to assume you are not gone and address this. I also feel I need to explain myself to the group as you have misrepresented me. You said: <<CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that - trust you, you know! Have you anything positive to offer? >> ** Yes, I do. You were in meetings where I presented my views. Because I do not agree with your ideas does not mean I have nothing positive to offer. The fact is, if I can prevent a mistake from being made by providing feedback about an idea, then I've done something positive. The problem of these drugs is not going to be addressed by being more concerned about people's feelings than the viability and effectiveness of a plan. The most successful organizations and companies in this nation are those that are willing to leave egos and feelings out and fearlessly evaluate every plan in relation to their long term goal. This yieldssuccess. You said: <<And please, since when is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom a nd doom, and I really don't think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless and helpless.>> ** If you are feeling helpless, then say that. I've had no indications from anyone else that they are affected this way from what I say. You said: <<My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? >> ** You are very naive about this. You are coming off half-cocked. Yes, I do think it is harmful for people to someday find their heartfelt letters mocked in public on the internet. Do I think they can ignore this? I KNOW they can ignore this. Our proof of this is in the treatment of those with Gulf War Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity...the list goes on. You said: <<Word is starting to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this situation will ever be resolved.>> ** There has been public outcry for years about Love Canal...Three Mile Island, again - Gulf War Syndrome. The only time the people are heard is when the right people are listening. It is a waste if time, energy, and spirit to try to convince the enemy. A retired psychiatrist who is in bed with several pharmaceutical companies and makes his living protecting them is not a good choice as a potential ally as far as I'm concerned. How many of these campaigns have you engaged in from start to finish, Jamo? It took over 15 years to get an Office of Complementary and Alternative Medicine created and funded. I was in on this effort the entire time. It wasn't people cying about what conventional medicine had done to them and begging for safer, more natural therapies that did it. It was talking to carefully targeted people who have money, power an influence that finally made a difference. You said: <<, I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility for making yourselves heard - any way you can. >> ** The people who need to listen - those who can make changes - are not going to listen to people who rant, rave, and use anger and grief as their tools. This kind of approach will be chalked up to " mental illness " . Have you thoroughly read Breggin's site? How about Ann Blake 's site? These people, as well as others, have been working for years to educate " the doctors " . I have, too. We've made very little progress. It is not practicing doctors who make changes.. They are merely the monkeys who follow " accepted treatment " as put forth by the FDA. Not following this can result in losing their licenses. There are not enough people complaining about SSRIs and SNRIs for doctors to take notice. This is not because people aren't experiencing these things, it is because people don't realize what is happening to them, AND because most doctors chalk up these complaints to " mental instability " , people being " overly-emotional " , and just plain " ignorance of the lay person " . You said: <<COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- minded fools. >> ** Yes, " dramatics " do push people away. But what you're seeing is not drama, it is Collissa's way of expressing herself. What is not drama to one, can be drama to another - it's quite subjective. The actions for which you advocate would be judged as drama by most people. Those in a position to do effect the changes we seek will be repelled by emotions. In closing, I'm not going to plead with you to stay because I believe that whatever is supposed to happen, will happen. Those who are supposed to be a part of this will be. I trust the wisdom of the Universe to sort this out naturally. There is no doubt in my mind that this battle will be won as long as we don't defeat ourselves. Predicating actions on emotions is one of the many ways we can be self-defeating. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Dear Jamo, I'm going to assume you are not gone and address this. I also feel I need to explain myself to the group as you have misrepresented me. You said: <<CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that - trust you, you know! Have you anything positive to offer? >> ** Yes, I do. You were in meetings where I presented my views. Because I do not agree with your ideas does not mean I have nothing positive to offer. The fact is, if I can prevent a mistake from being made by providing feedback about an idea, then I've done something positive. The problem of these drugs is not going to be addressed by being more concerned about people's feelings than the viability and effectiveness of a plan. The most successful organizations and companies in this nation are those that are willing to leave egos and feelings out and fearlessly evaluate every plan in relation to their long term goal. This yieldssuccess. You said: <<And please, since when is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom a nd doom, and I really don't think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless and helpless.>> ** If you are feeling helpless, then say that. I've had no indications from anyone else that they are affected this way from what I say. You said: <<My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? >> ** You are very naive about this. You are coming off half-cocked. Yes, I do think it is harmful for people to someday find their heartfelt letters mocked in public on the internet. Do I think they can ignore this? I KNOW they can ignore this. Our proof of this is in the treatment of those with Gulf War Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity...the list goes on. You said: <<Word is starting to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this situation will ever be resolved.>> ** There has been public outcry for years about Love Canal...Three Mile Island, again - Gulf War Syndrome. The only time the people are heard is when the right people are listening. It is a waste if time, energy, and spirit to try to convince the enemy. A retired psychiatrist who is in bed with several pharmaceutical companies and makes his living protecting them is not a good choice as a potential ally as far as I'm concerned. How many of these campaigns have you engaged in from start to finish, Jamo? It took over 15 years to get an Office of Complementary and Alternative Medicine created and funded. I was in on this effort the entire time. It wasn't people cying about what conventional medicine had done to them and begging for safer, more natural therapies that did it. It was talking to carefully targeted people who have money, power an influence that finally made a difference. You said: <<, I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility for making yourselves heard - any way you can. >> ** The people who need to listen - those who can make changes - are not going to listen to people who rant, rave, and use anger and grief as their tools. This kind of approach will be chalked up to " mental illness " . Have you thoroughly read Breggin's site? How about Ann Blake 's site? These people, as well as others, have been working for years to educate " the doctors " . I have, too. We've made very little progress. It is not practicing doctors who make changes.. They are merely the monkeys who follow " accepted treatment " as put forth by the FDA. Not following this can result in losing their licenses. There are not enough people complaining about SSRIs and SNRIs for doctors to take notice. This is not because people aren't experiencing these things, it is because people don't realize what is happening to them, AND because most doctors chalk up these complaints to " mental instability " , people being " overly-emotional " , and just plain " ignorance of the lay person " . You said: <<COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- minded fools. >> ** Yes, " dramatics " do push people away. But what you're seeing is not drama, it is Collissa's way of expressing herself. What is not drama to one, can be drama to another - it's quite subjective. The actions for which you advocate would be judged as drama by most people. Those in a position to do effect the changes we seek will be repelled by emotions. In closing, I'm not going to plead with you to stay because I believe that whatever is supposed to happen, will happen. Those who are supposed to be a part of this will be. I trust the wisdom of the Universe to sort this out naturally. There is no doubt in my mind that this battle will be won as long as we don't defeat ourselves. Predicating actions on emotions is one of the many ways we can be self-defeating. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Dear Jamo, I'm going to assume you are not gone and address this. I also feel I need to explain myself to the group as you have misrepresented me. You said: <<CATHERINE & COLLISSA ~ I don't know where to start. , you offer up a steady diet of don't do this and don't do that - trust you, you know! Have you anything positive to offer? >> ** Yes, I do. You were in meetings where I presented my views. Because I do not agree with your ideas does not mean I have nothing positive to offer. The fact is, if I can prevent a mistake from being made by providing feedback about an idea, then I've done something positive. The problem of these drugs is not going to be addressed by being more concerned about people's feelings than the viability and effectiveness of a plan. The most successful organizations and companies in this nation are those that are willing to leave egos and feelings out and fearlessly evaluate every plan in relation to their long term goal. This yieldssuccess. You said: <<And please, since when is it NOT appropriate for people who have been hurt to speak up? You give a pretty pervasive sense of gloom a nd doom, and I really don't think you are helping to do anything but make people feel more hopeless and helpless.>> ** If you are feeling helpless, then say that. I've had no indications from anyone else that they are affected this way from what I say. You said: <<My advice to write these " quack sites " is not ill- considered. I have a list of places and people who should hear from these damaged human beings! Do you really think that they will be able to ignore and subvert HUNDREDS of letters, ? >> ** You are very naive about this. You are coming off half-cocked. Yes, I do think it is harmful for people to someday find their heartfelt letters mocked in public on the internet. Do I think they can ignore this? I KNOW they can ignore this. Our proof of this is in the treatment of those with Gulf War Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity...the list goes on. You said: <<Word is starting to come out about this - it is the voices of the victims that will lend it credence. Let them ridicule! Public outcry is the ONLY way this situation will ever be resolved.>> ** There has been public outcry for years about Love Canal...Three Mile Island, again - Gulf War Syndrome. The only time the people are heard is when the right people are listening. It is a waste if time, energy, and spirit to try to convince the enemy. A retired psychiatrist who is in bed with several pharmaceutical companies and makes his living protecting them is not a good choice as a potential ally as far as I'm concerned. How many of these campaigns have you engaged in from start to finish, Jamo? It took over 15 years to get an Office of Complementary and Alternative Medicine created and funded. I was in on this effort the entire time. It wasn't people cying about what conventional medicine had done to them and begging for safer, more natural therapies that did it. It was talking to carefully targeted people who have money, power an influence that finally made a difference. You said: <<, I still say it, in fact I shout it to the rooftops ~ COMPLAIN, people. Tell everybody. Make a real pain in the ass of yourselves, because your children are dying, and YOU are dying, and you deserve to be heard. The likes of us here in this discussion group, or any discussion group, can only do so much. You must take responsibility for making yourselves heard - any way you can. >> ** The people who need to listen - those who can make changes - are not going to listen to people who rant, rave, and use anger and grief as their tools. This kind of approach will be chalked up to " mental illness " . Have you thoroughly read Breggin's site? How about Ann Blake 's site? These people, as well as others, have been working for years to educate " the doctors " . I have, too. We've made very little progress. It is not practicing doctors who make changes.. They are merely the monkeys who follow " accepted treatment " as put forth by the FDA. Not following this can result in losing their licenses. There are not enough people complaining about SSRIs and SNRIs for doctors to take notice. This is not because people aren't experiencing these things, it is because people don't realize what is happening to them, AND because most doctors chalk up these complaints to " mental instability " , people being " overly-emotional " , and just plain " ignorance of the lay person " . You said: <<COLLISSA, you sound downright hysterical, my dear. I am trying to listen, but you are pushing me away with the dramatics. I am so sorry to hear about all the trouble you have had - it might benefit you to trust the judgement and stamina of those who are healthy and outraged on your behalf more than you do. We are your compatriots, not silly- minded fools. >> ** Yes, " dramatics " do push people away. But what you're seeing is not drama, it is Collissa's way of expressing herself. What is not drama to one, can be drama to another - it's quite subjective. The actions for which you advocate would be judged as drama by most people. Those in a position to do effect the changes we seek will be repelled by emotions. In closing, I'm not going to plead with you to stay because I believe that whatever is supposed to happen, will happen. Those who are supposed to be a part of this will be. I trust the wisdom of the Universe to sort this out naturally. There is no doubt in my mind that this battle will be won as long as we don't defeat ourselves. Predicating actions on emotions is one of the many ways we can be self-defeating. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 hey does this mean we aren't gonna get to read the 2nd part of 'the emperor's new drugs/clothes?' just wondering, stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 hey does this mean we aren't gonna get to read the 2nd part of 'the emperor's new drugs/clothes?' just wondering, stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 hey does this mean we aren't gonna get to read the 2nd part of 'the emperor's new drugs/clothes?' just wondering, stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 hey does this mean we aren't gonna get to read the 2nd part of 'the emperor's new drugs/clothes?' just wondering, stinky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Oh boy, not sure the answer to that one!! Good luck!! Isn't life exciting? Estevan, SK Canada -- Good grief! Okay, how do you get white-out off the skin? just painted his eyelids. What a day! Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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