Antipsychiatry Coalition - no Scientologists or CCHR please

March 18, 2011

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >

Interesting Catherttine.

My cares are for the outcomes for mentally vulnerable people.

I spent several hours the other day in the company of a gentleman, who as a boy was at Nazareth Lodge, Belfast & as a youth at Rubane Kircubbin, Co Down. So I am well aware of the harm that faith groups can bring.

For the record I am not a Catholic

>

March 18, 2011

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >

Interesting Catherttine.

My cares are for the outcomes for mentally vulnerable people.

I spent several hours the other day in the company of a gentleman, who as a boy was at Nazareth Lodge, Belfast & as a youth at Rubane Kircubbin, Co Down. So I am well aware of the harm that faith groups can bring.

For the record I am not a Catholic

>

March 18, 2011

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >

Interesting Catherttine.

My cares are for the outcomes for mentally vulnerable people.

I spent several hours the other day in the company of a gentleman, who as a boy was at Nazareth Lodge, Belfast & as a youth at Rubane Kircubbin, Co Down. So I am well aware of the harm that faith groups can bring.

For the record I am not a Catholic

>

March 18, 2011

I agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that is a main factor.Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or Scientology.>>> >> >> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and retail establishments.> >> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let them in the door.> >> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have to have the same belief systems to come together against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they can benefit.> >> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

March 18, 2011

I agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that is a main factor.Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or Scientology.>>> >> >> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and retail establishments.> >> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let them in the door.> >> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have to have the same belief systems to come together against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they can benefit.> >> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

March 18, 2011

I agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that is a main factor.Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or Scientology.>>> >> >> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and retail establishments.> >> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let them in the door.> >> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have to have the same belief systems to come together against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they can benefit.> >> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

March 18, 2011

I agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that is a main factor.Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or Scientology.>>> >> >> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and retail establishments.> >> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let them in the door.> >> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have to have the same belief systems to come together against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they can benefit.> >> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

March 18, 2011

I understand what you are saying and I am sad

that things were bad there. Mental health workers diddle patients

way more from what I've seen, more women anyway.

It's a sad thing either way. It certainly does not make every

Catholic Priest or psychiatrist a sexual predator, if anything it

just shows me how predators can get into positions of power where

ever it is.

I am not Catholic and I am outraged by what has happened. I still

feel the Catholic Church promotes that we have a soul and there

are consequences to our actions and does charity work of all

sorts.

The tenets of psychiatry are based more on force, especially

physical force on the body for unpleasant emotions, emotions I

feel are spiritual in nature. Everyone one is a bag of chemicals

and genetic predisposition in the eyes of official psychiatry.

Of the two I would rather have the Catholic Church, hopefully

reformed, over stigma creating and people damaging drug pushers

with Nazi eugenics theories as their belief system.

On 3/18/2011 11:11 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

I

agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse

but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to

refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with

recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over

in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that

is a main factor.

Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than

psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really

the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and

position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >

> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us

will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the

"Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human

Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry

but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have

links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because

these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but

this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or

Scientology.>>

> >

> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and

slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's

homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women

were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male

children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to

go to the schools, churches, and retail establishm! ents.

> >

> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence,

Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let them in the door.

> >

> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website

but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain

others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after

they've taken that from which they can benefit.

> >

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar

all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church

abused more children than any other organization in history.

It's all rather sickening.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 18, 2011

I understand what you are saying and I am sad

that things were bad there. Mental health workers diddle patients

way more from what I've seen, more women anyway.

It's a sad thing either way. It certainly does not make every

Catholic Priest or psychiatrist a sexual predator, if anything it

just shows me how predators can get into positions of power where

ever it is.

I am not Catholic and I am outraged by what has happened. I still

feel the Catholic Church promotes that we have a soul and there

are consequences to our actions and does charity work of all

sorts.

The tenets of psychiatry are based more on force, especially

physical force on the body for unpleasant emotions, emotions I

feel are spiritual in nature. Everyone one is a bag of chemicals

and genetic predisposition in the eyes of official psychiatry.

Of the two I would rather have the Catholic Church, hopefully

reformed, over stigma creating and people damaging drug pushers

with Nazi eugenics theories as their belief system.

On 3/18/2011 11:11 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

I

agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse

but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to

refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with

recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over

in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that

is a main factor.

Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than

psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really

the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and

position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >

> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us

will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the

"Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human

Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry

but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have

links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because

these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but

this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or

Scientology.>>

> >

> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and

slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's

homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women

were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male

children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to

go to the schools, churches, and retail establishm! ents.

> >

> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence,

Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let them in the door.

> >

> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website

but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain

others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after

they've taken that from which they can benefit.

> >

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar

all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church

abused more children than any other organization in history.

It's all rather sickening.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 18, 2011

I understand what you are saying and I am sad

that things were bad there. Mental health workers diddle patients

way more from what I've seen, more women anyway.

It's a sad thing either way. It certainly does not make every

Catholic Priest or psychiatrist a sexual predator, if anything it

just shows me how predators can get into positions of power where

ever it is.

I am not Catholic and I am outraged by what has happened. I still

feel the Catholic Church promotes that we have a soul and there

are consequences to our actions and does charity work of all

sorts.

The tenets of psychiatry are based more on force, especially

physical force on the body for unpleasant emotions, emotions I

feel are spiritual in nature. Everyone one is a bag of chemicals

and genetic predisposition in the eyes of official psychiatry.

Of the two I would rather have the Catholic Church, hopefully

reformed, over stigma creating and people damaging drug pushers

with Nazi eugenics theories as their belief system.

On 3/18/2011 11:11 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

I

agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse

but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to

refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with

recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over

in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that

is a main factor.

Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than

psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really

the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and

position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >

> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us

will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the

"Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human

Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry

but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have

links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because

these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but

this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or

Scientology.>>

> >

> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and

slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's

homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women

were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male

children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to

go to the schools, churches, and retail establishm! ents.

> >

> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence,

Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let them in the door.

> >

> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website

but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain

others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after

they've taken that from which they can benefit.

> >

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar

all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church

abused more children than any other organization in history.

It's all rather sickening.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 18, 2011

I understand what you are saying and I am sad

that things were bad there. Mental health workers diddle patients

way more from what I've seen, more women anyway.

It's a sad thing either way. It certainly does not make every

Catholic Priest or psychiatrist a sexual predator, if anything it

just shows me how predators can get into positions of power where

ever it is.

I am not Catholic and I am outraged by what has happened. I still

feel the Catholic Church promotes that we have a soul and there

are consequences to our actions and does charity work of all

sorts.

The tenets of psychiatry are based more on force, especially

physical force on the body for unpleasant emotions, emotions I

feel are spiritual in nature. Everyone one is a bag of chemicals

and genetic predisposition in the eyes of official psychiatry.

Of the two I would rather have the Catholic Church, hopefully

reformed, over stigma creating and people damaging drug pushers

with Nazi eugenics theories as their belief system.

On 3/18/2011 11:11 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

I

agree except on the Catholic thing, yes there has been abuse

but where I think the Catholic Church made a mistake is to

refer their situation to psychiatrists and go along with

recommendations by psychiatrists, I've seen it over and over

in the press. There's more to it than that of course but that

is a main factor.

Also no one group sexually abuses their "flock" more than

psychiatrists. WAY more than the Catholic Church and really

the profession of psychiatry has the same moral obligation and

position of power over their patients

Jim, you wouldn't say that if you lived where I lived.

> >

> > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us

will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the

"Church" of Scientology or its Citizen's Commission on Human

Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry

but which we want no affiliation with. This web site does have

links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry by CCHR because

these videos are excellent and accurate and worth seeing, but

this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR or

Scientology.>>

> >

> > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and

slavery in the U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's

homes raising their children (even being a wet nurse), the women

were good enough lie down with and good enough to give male

children their first sexual experience, but not good enough to

go to the schools, churches, and retail establishm! ents.

> >

> > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence,

Scientology is good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let them in the door.

> >

> > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website

but you're not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain

others are so intolerant of differences -- but only after

they've taken that from which they can benefit.

> >

> > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar

all Catholics, too? After all, representatives of this church

abused more children than any other organization in history.

It's all rather sickening.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 18, 2011

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers & administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work. If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise, as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are going to have to show the system how to do things better, with better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR > > or Scientology.>>> > > >> > > >> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > retail establishm! ents.> > > >> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let > > them in the door.> > > >> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > can benefit.> > > >> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

March 18, 2011

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers & administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work. If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise, as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are going to have to show the system how to do things better, with better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR > > or Scientology.>>> > > >> > > >> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > retail establishm! ents.> > > >> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let > > them in the door.> > > >> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > can benefit.> > > >> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

March 18, 2011

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers & administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work. If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise, as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are going to have to show the system how to do things better, with better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR > > or Scientology.>>> > > >> > > >> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > retail establishm! ents.> > > >> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let > > them in the door.> > > >> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > can benefit.> > > >> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

March 18, 2011

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers & administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work. If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise, as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are going to have to show the system how to do things better, with better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of psychiatry > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > seeing, but this should not be interpreted as an endorsement of CCHR > > or Scientology.>>> > > >> > > >> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie down > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > retail establishm! ents.> > > >> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to let > > them in the door.> > > >> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so intolerant > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > can benefit.> > > >> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all Catholics, > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------> > > >> > > >

March 18, 2011

Eugenics originated from the USA from ideas out of

Britain actually. the Nazis implemented the more unsavory ideas as

we all know. The idea is materialism. No soul, no real person

there, just a chemical imbalance, no spirit just material. No

responsibility as there is a believed genetic defect, absolving

any responsibility but also relegating the labeled person as less

than he/she truly is and justifying drugs, shock, experiments,

population control etc.

Religion or at least spirituality would be the other side of thing

to my mind, belief in the individuals own ability to come to terms

with their emotions or turmoil, belief in a higher cause and a

belief in consequences of their actions. Karma is a great example.

There are many different schools and even individual ideas are as

unique as people are but there is that basic idea of something

spiritual, not something to you can see.

If your in Ireland then it would be understandable if all the MH

workers were Catholic, stands to reason as far as I know.

I am not Catholic but for me it's important that people are

allowed to believe/worship as they wish.

If you were to get calls from people like I do that have been

locked up against their will for days and weeks at their own

expense for no valid reason except they refuse to take drugs you

might see my viewpoint on force and punishment. The government

here has no respite care, no place to calm down, most people call

because they went to get the help everyone says is at the

psychiatric facilities only to find they cannot leave, the help

they were expecting is not there, the food is horrible and they

cannot sleep for the noise, even where the laws in Texas give them

more rights than other states of countries thanks to advocates

work.

On 3/18/2011 2:08 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers

& administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed

catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a

protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in

the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients

and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is

very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's

catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the

idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to

terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who

in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead

to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to

act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What

I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work.

If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise,

as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things

worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are

going to have to show the system how to do things better, with

better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This

is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe

& America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill

and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail

Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of

Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little

differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise

that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >

> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone

joining us will be asked for

> > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of

Scientology or

> > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which

have publicized

> > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no

affiliation with.

> > This web site does have links to YouTube video

critiques of psychiatry

> > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and

accurate and worth

> > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an

endorsement of CCHR

> > or Scientology.>>

> > > >

> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism

and slavery in the

> > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes

raising their

> > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good

enough lie down

> > with and good enough to give male children their first

sexual

> > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools,

churches, and

> > retail establishm! ents.

> > > >

> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in

essence, Scientology is

> > good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent

> > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let

> > them in the door.

> > > >

> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our

website but you're

> > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have

> > to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common

> > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others

are so intolerant

> > of differences -- but only after they've taken that

from which they

> > can benefit.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why

not bar all Catholics,

> > too? After all, representatives of this church abused

more children

> > than any other organization in history. It's all

rather sickening.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 18, 2011

Eugenics originated from the USA from ideas out of

Britain actually. the Nazis implemented the more unsavory ideas as

we all know. The idea is materialism. No soul, no real person

there, just a chemical imbalance, no spirit just material. No

responsibility as there is a believed genetic defect, absolving

any responsibility but also relegating the labeled person as less

than he/she truly is and justifying drugs, shock, experiments,

population control etc.

Religion or at least spirituality would be the other side of thing

to my mind, belief in the individuals own ability to come to terms

with their emotions or turmoil, belief in a higher cause and a

belief in consequences of their actions. Karma is a great example.

There are many different schools and even individual ideas are as

unique as people are but there is that basic idea of something

spiritual, not something to you can see.

If your in Ireland then it would be understandable if all the MH

workers were Catholic, stands to reason as far as I know.

I am not Catholic but for me it's important that people are

allowed to believe/worship as they wish.

If you were to get calls from people like I do that have been

locked up against their will for days and weeks at their own

expense for no valid reason except they refuse to take drugs you

might see my viewpoint on force and punishment. The government

here has no respite care, no place to calm down, most people call

because they went to get the help everyone says is at the

psychiatric facilities only to find they cannot leave, the help

they were expecting is not there, the food is horrible and they

cannot sleep for the noise, even where the laws in Texas give them

more rights than other states of countries thanks to advocates

work.

On 3/18/2011 2:08 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers

& administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed

catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a

protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in

the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients

and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is

very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's

catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the

idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to

terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who

in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead

to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to

act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What

I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work.

If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise,

as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things

worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are

going to have to show the system how to do things better, with

better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This

is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe

& America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill

and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail

Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of

Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little

differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise

that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >

> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone

joining us will be asked for

> > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of

Scientology or

> > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which

have publicized

> > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no

affiliation with.

> > This web site does have links to YouTube video

critiques of psychiatry

> > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and

accurate and worth

> > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an

endorsement of CCHR

> > or Scientology.>>

> > > >

> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism

and slavery in the

> > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes

raising their

> > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good

enough lie down

> > with and good enough to give male children their first

sexual

> > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools,

churches, and

> > retail establishm! ents.

> > > >

> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in

essence, Scientology is

> > good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent

> > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let

> > them in the door.

> > > >

> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our

website but you're

> > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have

> > to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common

> > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others

are so intolerant

> > of differences -- but only after they've taken that

from which they

> > can benefit.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why

not bar all Catholics,

> > too? After all, representatives of this church abused

more children

> > than any other organization in history. It's all

rather sickening.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 18, 2011

Eugenics originated from the USA from ideas out of

Britain actually. the Nazis implemented the more unsavory ideas as

we all know. The idea is materialism. No soul, no real person

there, just a chemical imbalance, no spirit just material. No

responsibility as there is a believed genetic defect, absolving

any responsibility but also relegating the labeled person as less

than he/she truly is and justifying drugs, shock, experiments,

population control etc.

Religion or at least spirituality would be the other side of thing

to my mind, belief in the individuals own ability to come to terms

with their emotions or turmoil, belief in a higher cause and a

belief in consequences of their actions. Karma is a great example.

There are many different schools and even individual ideas are as

unique as people are but there is that basic idea of something

spiritual, not something to you can see.

If your in Ireland then it would be understandable if all the MH

workers were Catholic, stands to reason as far as I know.

I am not Catholic but for me it's important that people are

allowed to believe/worship as they wish.

If you were to get calls from people like I do that have been

locked up against their will for days and weeks at their own

expense for no valid reason except they refuse to take drugs you

might see my viewpoint on force and punishment. The government

here has no respite care, no place to calm down, most people call

because they went to get the help everyone says is at the

psychiatric facilities only to find they cannot leave, the help

they were expecting is not there, the food is horrible and they

cannot sleep for the noise, even where the laws in Texas give them

more rights than other states of countries thanks to advocates

work.

On 3/18/2011 2:08 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers

& administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed

catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a

protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in

the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients

and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is

very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's

catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the

idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to

terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who

in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead

to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to

act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What

I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work.

If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise,

as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things

worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are

going to have to show the system how to do things better, with

better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This

is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe

& America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill

and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail

Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of

Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little

differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise

that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >

> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone

joining us will be asked for

> > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of

Scientology or

> > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which

have publicized

> > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no

affiliation with.

> > This web site does have links to YouTube video

critiques of psychiatry

> > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and

accurate and worth

> > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an

endorsement of CCHR

> > or Scientology.>>

> > > >

> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism

and slavery in the

> > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes

raising their

> > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good

enough lie down

> > with and good enough to give male children their first

sexual

> > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools,

churches, and

> > retail establishm! ents.

> > > >

> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in

essence, Scientology is

> > good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent

> > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let

> > them in the door.

> > > >

> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our

website but you're

> > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have

> > to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common

> > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others

are so intolerant

> > of differences -- but only after they've taken that

from which they

> > can benefit.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why

not bar all Catholics,

> > too? After all, representatives of this church abused

more children

> > than any other organization in history. It's all

rather sickening.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 18, 2011

Eugenics originated from the USA from ideas out of

Britain actually. the Nazis implemented the more unsavory ideas as

we all know. The idea is materialism. No soul, no real person

there, just a chemical imbalance, no spirit just material. No

responsibility as there is a believed genetic defect, absolving

any responsibility but also relegating the labeled person as less

than he/she truly is and justifying drugs, shock, experiments,

population control etc.

Religion or at least spirituality would be the other side of thing

to my mind, belief in the individuals own ability to come to terms

with their emotions or turmoil, belief in a higher cause and a

belief in consequences of their actions. Karma is a great example.

There are many different schools and even individual ideas are as

unique as people are but there is that basic idea of something

spiritual, not something to you can see.

If your in Ireland then it would be understandable if all the MH

workers were Catholic, stands to reason as far as I know.

I am not Catholic but for me it's important that people are

allowed to believe/worship as they wish.

If you were to get calls from people like I do that have been

locked up against their will for days and weeks at their own

expense for no valid reason except they refuse to take drugs you

might see my viewpoint on force and punishment. The government

here has no respite care, no place to calm down, most people call

because they went to get the help everyone says is at the

psychiatric facilities only to find they cannot leave, the help

they were expecting is not there, the food is horrible and they

cannot sleep for the noise, even where the laws in Texas give them

more rights than other states of countries thanks to advocates

work.

On 3/18/2011 2:08 PM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Curiously Jim, as far as I can see, most mental health workers

& administraitors in this area are either catholic or lapsed

catholic. In fact I can't think of a single one who is or was a

protestant. (it is very rare to see non caucasians working in

the field here)

There is very little sign of sexual abuse of female patients

and that is because most staff are female.

The idea that Psychiatry is populated by sexual predators is

very wide of the mark.

Personally speaking, I have no problems with the individual's

catholic practice, but as a protestant I do have issues with the

idea of catholicism. In particular I cannot personally come to

terms with the idea that a person can confess to a mortal, who

in turn can grant absolution. I think that has potential to lead

to moral corruption.

Sorry Jim, but I see no evidence that psychiatry continues to

act as a force or punishment for individual odd behaviour. What

I do see is a modality of treatment that clearly doesn't work.

If it worked the number of patients & drugs would stabilise,

as patients lived & died in a natural cycle.

but Tuesday's stats show otherwise - http://tuesday1st.blogspot.com/

The law suits don't work either, actually they have made things

worse.

If anyone is going to make meaningful changes then they are

going to have to show the system how to do things better, with

better outcomes for the patients.

You speak of "Nazi eugenics" as the basis of psychiatry ! This

is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe

& America long before the Nazi's

check out for example -

Churchill

and Eugenics

| Print |

E-mail

Churchill and Eugenics

Sunday

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour-online/594-churchill-and-eugenics

& -

The Horrifying American Roots of

Nazi Eugenics

http://hnn.us/articles/1796.html

Fortunately Churchill thought things through a little

differently in the late 30's and early 40's.

Perhaps it's time for the CCHR to rethink things and realise

that results speak louder than actions?

> > > >

> > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone

joining us will be asked for

> > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of

Scientology or

> > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which

have publicized

> > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no

affiliation with.

> > This web site does have links to YouTube video

critiques of psychiatry

> > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and

accurate and worth

> > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an

endorsement of CCHR

> > or Scientology.>>

> > > >

> > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism

and slavery in the

> > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes

raising their

> > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good

enough lie down

> > with and good enough to give male children their first

sexual

> > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools,

churches, and

> > retail establishm! ents.

> > > >

> > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in

essence, Scientology is

> > good enough to reference and use some of their

excellent

> > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're

not going to let

> > them in the door.

> > > >

> > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our

website but you're

> > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we

really all have

> > to have the same belief systems to come together

against a common

> > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others

are so intolerant

> > of differences -- but only after they've taken that

from which they

> > can benefit.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why

not bar all Catholics,

> > too? After all, representatives of this church abused

more children

> > than any other organization in history. It's all

rather sickening.

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March 18, 2011

What I said was Jim "This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's "

Britain is in Europe Jim.

Europe & European Union are two quite different things. We can agree, that eugenics, however, is totally unacceptable, it well predates the Nazi's, therefore psychiatry cannot be based on Nazi eugenics. That came later.

I'm in N. Ireland ...........the population split is about 55% protestant / 45% catholic. Therefore it is unusual to find that a workforce is made up almost entirely of people who do not reflect national trends

see -

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=980

The situation in the South is of course that the population is 90 - 95% catholic

Naturally you will get calls Jim, your organisation is set up and rewarded for fielding them as this post shows - SSRI medications/message/36612

However you do need to look at such calls as a % of the total treatment population, otherwise you will fool yourself.

You say "The government here has no respite care ............"

& the CoS respite services are where Jim? Where are the withdrawal treatment clinics promised by Scientology lawyer Skip Murgatroyd?

They got the GSK $$$$$$$ Paxil fee payout but as usual the wider body of patients get nothing!

Nobody in this country that is locked up ends up paying for their treatment & or hotel costs. No psychiatric hospital profits by sectioning people.

We have a nationalised health system. Mental health services are creaking at the seams, they are particularly under funded. The drug budget is horrendous and rising at 12% per year. There is real need to find alternatives.

What we can agree though Jim is that the drugs don't work ........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last.

> > > > > >> > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for> > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or> > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have > > publicized> > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with.> > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of > > psychiatry> > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth> > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of > > CCHR> > > > or Scientology.>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the> > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their> > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie > > down> > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual> > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and> > > > retail establishm! ents.> > > > > >> > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is> > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent> > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to > > let> > > > them in the door.> > > > > >> > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're> > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have> > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common> > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so > > intolerant> > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they> > > > can benefit.> > > > > >> > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has done. Why not bar all > > Catholics,> > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children> > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > >> > > > > >

March 18, 2011