Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 , I meant Nazi eugenics. Nazi style eugenics was an American idea and of course it all started with Darwin's cousin Francis Galton twisting Darwin's natural selection ideas into a way to get rid of annoying humans. Galton didn't like all the poor breeding all over the place and he was from England. Jim On 3/18/2011 3:50 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: What I said was Jim "This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's " Britain is in Europe Jim. Europe & European Union are two quite different things. We can agree, that eugenics, however, is totally unacceptable, it well predates the Nazi's, therefore psychiatry cannot be based on Nazi eugenics. That came later. I'm in N. Ireland ...........the population split is about 55% protestant / 45% catholic. Therefore it is unusual to find that a workforce is made up almost entirely of people who do not reflect national trends see - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=980 The situation in the South is of course that the population is 90 - 95% catholic Naturally you will get calls Jim, your organisation is set up and rewarded for fielding them as this post shows - SSRI medications/message/36612 However you do need to look at such calls as a % of the total treatment population, otherwise you will fool yourself. You say "The government here has no respite care ............." & the CoS respite services are where Jim? Where are the withdrawal treatment clinics promised by Scientology lawyer Skip Murgatroyd? They got the GSK $$$$$$$ Paxil fee payout but as usual the wider body of patients get nothing! Nobody in this country that is locked up ends up paying for their treatment & or hotel costs. No psychiatric hospital profits by sectioning people. We have a nationalised health system. Mental health services are creaking at the seams, they are particularly under funded. The drug budget is horrendous and rising at 12% per year. There is real need to find alternatives. What we can agree though Jim is that the drugs don't work ........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have > ! > publicized > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of > > psychiatry > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of > > CCHR > > > > or Scientology.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie > > down > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > > > retail establishm! ents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to > > let > > > > them in the door. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so > > intolerant > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > > > can benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all > > Catholics, > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 , I meant Nazi eugenics. Nazi style eugenics was an American idea and of course it all started with Darwin's cousin Francis Galton twisting Darwin's natural selection ideas into a way to get rid of annoying humans. Galton didn't like all the poor breeding all over the place and he was from England. Jim On 3/18/2011 3:50 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: What I said was Jim "This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's " Britain is in Europe Jim. Europe & European Union are two quite different things. We can agree, that eugenics, however, is totally unacceptable, it well predates the Nazi's, therefore psychiatry cannot be based on Nazi eugenics. That came later. I'm in N. Ireland ...........the population split is about 55% protestant / 45% catholic. Therefore it is unusual to find that a workforce is made up almost entirely of people who do not reflect national trends see - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=980 The situation in the South is of course that the population is 90 - 95% catholic Naturally you will get calls Jim, your organisation is set up and rewarded for fielding them as this post shows - SSRI medications/message/36612 However you do need to look at such calls as a % of the total treatment population, otherwise you will fool yourself. You say "The government here has no respite care ............." & the CoS respite services are where Jim? Where are the withdrawal treatment clinics promised by Scientology lawyer Skip Murgatroyd? They got the GSK $$$$$$$ Paxil fee payout but as usual the wider body of patients get nothing! Nobody in this country that is locked up ends up paying for their treatment & or hotel costs. No psychiatric hospital profits by sectioning people. We have a nationalised health system. Mental health services are creaking at the seams, they are particularly under funded. The drug budget is horrendous and rising at 12% per year. There is real need to find alternatives. What we can agree though Jim is that the drugs don't work ........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have > ! > publicized > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of > > psychiatry > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of > > CCHR > > > > or Scientology.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie > > down > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > > > retail establishm! ents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to > > let > > > > them in the door. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so > > intolerant > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > > > can benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all > > Catholics, > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 , I meant Nazi eugenics. Nazi style eugenics was an American idea and of course it all started with Darwin's cousin Francis Galton twisting Darwin's natural selection ideas into a way to get rid of annoying humans. Galton didn't like all the poor breeding all over the place and he was from England. Jim On 3/18/2011 3:50 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: What I said was Jim "This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's " Britain is in Europe Jim. Europe & European Union are two quite different things. We can agree, that eugenics, however, is totally unacceptable, it well predates the Nazi's, therefore psychiatry cannot be based on Nazi eugenics. That came later. I'm in N. Ireland ...........the population split is about 55% protestant / 45% catholic. Therefore it is unusual to find that a workforce is made up almost entirely of people who do not reflect national trends see - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=980 The situation in the South is of course that the population is 90 - 95% catholic Naturally you will get calls Jim, your organisation is set up and rewarded for fielding them as this post shows - SSRI medications/message/36612 However you do need to look at such calls as a % of the total treatment population, otherwise you will fool yourself. You say "The government here has no respite care ............." & the CoS respite services are where Jim? Where are the withdrawal treatment clinics promised by Scientology lawyer Skip Murgatroyd? They got the GSK $$$$$$$ Paxil fee payout but as usual the wider body of patients get nothing! Nobody in this country that is locked up ends up paying for their treatment & or hotel costs. No psychiatric hospital profits by sectioning people. We have a nationalised health system. Mental health services are creaking at the seams, they are particularly under funded. The drug budget is horrendous and rising at 12% per year. There is real need to find alternatives. What we can agree though Jim is that the drugs don't work ........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have > ! > publicized > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of > > psychiatry > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of > > CCHR > > > > or Scientology.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie > > down > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > > > retail establishm! ents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to > > let > > > > them in the door. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so > > intolerant > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > > > can benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all > > Catholics, > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 , I meant Nazi eugenics. Nazi style eugenics was an American idea and of course it all started with Darwin's cousin Francis Galton twisting Darwin's natural selection ideas into a way to get rid of annoying humans. Galton didn't like all the poor breeding all over the place and he was from England. Jim On 3/18/2011 3:50 PM, jeremy9282 wrote: What I said was Jim "This is utter tosh ............eugenics was widespread in Europe & America long before the Nazi's " Britain is in Europe Jim. Europe & European Union are two quite different things. We can agree, that eugenics, however, is totally unacceptable, it well predates the Nazi's, therefore psychiatry cannot be based on Nazi eugenics. That came later. I'm in N. Ireland ...........the population split is about 55% protestant / 45% catholic. Therefore it is unusual to find that a workforce is made up almost entirely of people who do not reflect national trends see - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=980 The situation in the South is of course that the population is 90 - 95% catholic Naturally you will get calls Jim, your organisation is set up and rewarded for fielding them as this post shows - SSRI medications/message/36612 However you do need to look at such calls as a % of the total treatment population, otherwise you will fool yourself. You say "The government here has no respite care ............." & the CoS respite services are where Jim? Where are the withdrawal treatment clinics promised by Scientology lawyer Skip Murgatroyd? They got the GSK $$$$$$$ Paxil fee payout but as usual the wider body of patients get nothing! Nobody in this country that is locked up ends up paying for their treatment & or hotel costs. No psychiatric hospital profits by sectioning people. We have a nationalised health system. Mental health services are creaking at the seams, they are particularly under funded. The drug budget is horrendous and rising at 12% per year. There is real need to find alternatives. What we can agree though Jim is that the drugs don't work ........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be asked for > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have > ! > publicized > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of > > psychiatry > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of > > CCHR > > > > or Scientology.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery in the > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie > > down > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, churches, and > > > > retail establishm! ents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not going to > > let > > > > them in the door. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but you're > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really all have > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so > > intolerant > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which they > > > > can benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all > > Catholics, > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more children > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yawn. .........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be > > asked for> > > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of > > Scientology or> > > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have> > > ! > publicized> > > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with.> > > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of> > > > psychiatry> > > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth> > > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of> > > > CCHR> > > > > > or Scientology.>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery > > in the> > > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their> > > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie> > > > down> > > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual> > > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, > > churches, and> > > > > > retail establishm! ents.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is> > > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent> > > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not > > going to> > > > let> > > > > > them in the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but > > you're> > > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really > > all have> > > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common> > > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so> > > > intolerant> > > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which > > they> > > > > > can benefit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all> > > > Catholics,> > > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more > > children> > > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yawn. .........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be > > asked for> > > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of > > Scientology or> > > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have> > > ! > publicized> > > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with.> > > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of> > > > psychiatry> > > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth> > > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of> > > > CCHR> > > > > > or Scientology.>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery > > in the> > > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their> > > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie> > > > down> > > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual> > > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, > > churches, and> > > > > > retail establishm! ents.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is> > > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent> > > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not > > going to> > > > let> > > > > > them in the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but > > you're> > > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really > > all have> > > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common> > > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so> > > > intolerant> > > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which > > they> > > > > > can benefit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all> > > > Catholics,> > > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more > > children> > > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yawn. .........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be > > asked for> > > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of > > Scientology or> > > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have> > > ! > publicized> > > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with.> > > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of> > > > psychiatry> > > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth> > > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of> > > > CCHR> > > > > > or Scientology.>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery > > in the> > > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their> > > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie> > > > down> > > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual> > > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, > > churches, and> > > > > > retail establishm! ents.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is> > > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent> > > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not > > going to> > > > let> > > > > > them in the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but > > you're> > > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really > > all have> > > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common> > > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so> > > > intolerant> > > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which > > they> > > > > > can benefit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all> > > > Catholics,> > > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more > > children> > > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Yawn. .........but if alternatives aren't found CCHR UK can waste the next 40 years as they did the last. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <<No Scientologists, please: Anyone joining us will be > > asked for> > > > > > assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of > > Scientology or> > > > > > its Citizen's Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have> > > ! > publicized> > > > > > the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with.> > > > > > This web site does have links to YouTube video critiques of> > > > psychiatry> > > > > > by CCHR because these videos are excellent and accurate and worth> > > > > > seeing, but th! is should not be interpreted as an endorsement of> > > > CCHR> > > > > > or Scientology.>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** This reminds me of the history of rascism and slavery > > in the> > > > > > U.S. A slave was good enough to be in people's homes raising their> > > > > > children (even being a wet nurse), the women were good enough lie> > > > down> > > > > > with and good enough to give male children their first sexual> > > > > > experience, but not good enough to go to the schools, > > churches, and> > > > > > retail establishm! ents.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Antipsychiatry Coalition is saying, in essence, Scientology is> > > > > > good enough to reference and use some of their excellent> > > > > > anti-psychiatry material that exists today, but we're not > > going to> > > > let> > > > > > them in the door.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In other words, we'll use you to advance our website but > > you're> > > > > > not welcome here. This is poor moral judgment. Do we really > > all have> > > > > > to have the same belief systems to come together against a common> > > > > > enemy? I don't think so. It's too bad certain others are so> > > > intolerant> > > > > > of differences -- but only after they've taken that from which > > they> > > > > > can benefit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I don't care what Scientology has ! done. Why not bar all> > > > Catholics,> > > > > > too? After all, representatives of this church abused more > > children> > > > > > than any other organization in history. It's all rather sickening.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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