Re: Re: 2008- Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. 89 deaths from SSRI in Afghanistan

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the explanation, I'm just interested in the document

claiming 89 deaths

from SSRI drugs in Afghanistan. You know where they are?

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the explanation, I'm just interested in the document

claiming 89 deaths

from SSRI drugs in Afghanistan. You know where they are?

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the explanation, I'm just interested in the document

claiming 89 deaths

from SSRI drugs in Afghanistan. You know where they are?

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the explanation, I'm just interested in the document

claiming 89 deaths

from SSRI drugs in Afghanistan. You know where they are?

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

hopefully the data is real and can be found

somewhere else then through Flynn

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

hopefully the data is real and can be found

somewhere else then through Flynn

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

hopefully the data is real and can be found

somewhere else then through Flynn

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

hopefully the data is real and can be found

somewhere else then through Flynn

On 5/8/2011 9:02 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

Just to be clear here there is no suggestion that the (then) government

leaned on South Cumbria Coroner Ian in relation to his well said

remarks on SSRI's

Flynn MP (labour)is very remiss putting these two articles

together.

Might it be a good idea if Flynn reflected on his previous position on

the Seroxat litigation brought by his fellow Welsh lawyers

.......................it went down the toilet, just like his own party

Government so Minister Des Browne is out of office - kicked upstairs

into the House of Lords.

Flynn meantime has decided to attack the Royal family something hitherto

not allowed by parliament

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

March 18, 2008

Coroners rampant

*SSRI's suicide link-again,*

Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has been hammered by a

Minister out to silence him.

South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug authorities because

he

fears people are killing themselves after taking

antidepressants.Suicide11

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

/2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days after being

prescribed

antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his car on June 16,

minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had suicidal thoughts. He

had

been prescribed Citalopram after becoming depressed through ill

health.

His heart-broken family said they were not aware of the suicide risks

associated with antidepressants until the issue was highlighted at Mr

Woodburn's inquest this week.

Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several other suspected

suicides involving the same group of antidepressants, known as

selective

serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

He said: *"I have to say this is probably the fifth, if not sixth

inquest I've heard within a period of three years when somebody either

just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming off it, have killed

themselves one way or another, totally out of the blue, totally

without

expectation, without a history of suicidal thoughts in the past."*

Mr said "I think what happened to Mr Woodburn was in part as a

result of the drugs he was taking. There has been publicity about

these

drugs recently, particularly relating to younger adults, and it does

seem to me it's something that needs to be highlighted."

The Wiltshire coroner has stirred the wrath of defence secretary, Des

Browne. He has gone to the high court in an attempt to prevent

coroners

criticizing the Ministry of Defence during military inquests.

Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to the Royal Courts of

Justice asking for a court order banning coroners from accusing the

MoD

of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on service personnel

deaths.

The defence secretary claimed the phrase was tantamount to blaming the

government for the deaths of servicemen and might be used against the

MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation. Des, what are you

doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission impossible in Helmand? Who

said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be over in three years

without a shot being fired.' It was the Government who cannot be

exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

condemned the government for hampering inquests but Masters, the

Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues would not be "deflected

from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries into deaths they

are

entrusted to investigate -- those of people serving their country when

they are killed abroad".

"If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he added. While

parliament

is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89 deaths from SSRI in

Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

*Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

Interesting, I wonder if that coroner knows more about it, seems

like the government was pretty anxious to shut the coroner up,

while the coroner seems more than willing to NOT shut up.

Jim

On 5/10/2011 7:01 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Hi Jim

Here is - "Coalition casualties in Afghanistan" - source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

extract

UK = As of April 19, 2011, the British forces have suffered 364

fatalities and 1,654 wounded in action, another 3,113 have

suffered from disease or non-battle injuries. Of these, 320

soldiers were killed as a result of hostile action, while 44 are

known to have died either as a result of illness, non-combat

injuries or accidents, or have not yet officially been

assigned a cause of death pending the outcome of an

investigation

How on earth Flynn can claim 89 deaths down to SSRI's is

beyond my understanding as he is not qualified to give

statistics from other nations other than his own parliamentry

area of interest.

> >>

> >>

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

> >>

> >> March 18, 2008

> >>

> >>

> >> Coroners rampant

> >>

> >> *SSRI's suicide link-again,*

> >>

> >> Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has

been hammered by a

> >> Minister out to silence him.

> >>

> >> South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug

authorities because

> > he

> >> fears p! eople are killing themselves after taking

> >> antidepressants.Suicide11

> >>

> >

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

> > /2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days

after being

> >> prescribed

> >> antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his

car on June 16,

> >> minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had

suicidal thoughts. He

> > had

> >> been prescribed Citalopram after becoming

depressed through ill

> > health.

> >> His heart-broken family said they were not aware

of the suicide risks

> >> associated with antidepressants until the issue

was highlighted at Mr

> >> Woodburn's inquest this week.

> >>

> >> Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several

other suspected

> >> suicides involving the same group of

antidepressants, known as

> > selective

> >> serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

> >>

> >> He said: *"I have to say this is probably the

fifth, if not sixth

> >> inquest I've heard within a period of three years

when somebody either

> >> just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming

off it, have killed

> >> themselves one way or another, totally out of the

blue, totally

> > without

> >> expectation, without a history of suicidal

thoughts in the past."*

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr said "I think what happened to Mr

Woodburn was in part as a

> >> result of the drugs he was taking. There has been

publicity about

> > these

> >> drugs recently, particularly relating to younger

adults, and it does

> >> seem to me it's something that needs to be

highlighted."

> >>

> >> The Wiltshire coroner h! as stirred the wrath of

defence secretary, Des

> >> Browne. He has gone to the high court in an

attempt to prevent

> > coroners

> >> criticizing the Ministry of Defence during

military inquests.

> >>

> >> Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to

the Royal Courts of

> >> Justice asking for a court order banning coroners

from accusing the

> > MoD

> >> of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on

service personnel

> > deaths.

> >> The defence secretary claimed the phrase was

tantamount to blaming the

> >> government for the deaths of servicemen and might

be used against the

> >> MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation.

Des, what are you

> >> doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission

impossible in Helmand? Who

> >> said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be

over in three years

> >> without a shot being fired.' It was the Government

who cannot be

> >> exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

> >>

> >> Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq

and Afghanistan

> >> condemned the government for hampering inquests

but Masters, the

> >> Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues

would not be "deflected

> >> from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries

into deaths they

> > are

> >> entrusted to investigate -- those of people

serving their country when

> >> they are killed abroad".

> >>

> >> "If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he

added. While

> > parliament

> >> is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89

deaths from SSRI in

> >> Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

> >>

> >> *Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---! ---------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Interesting, I wonder if that coroner knows more about it, seems

like the government was pretty anxious to shut the coroner up,

while the coroner seems more than willing to NOT shut up.

Jim

On 5/10/2011 7:01 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Hi Jim

Here is - "Coalition casualties in Afghanistan" - source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

extract

UK = As of April 19, 2011, the British forces have suffered 364

fatalities and 1,654 wounded in action, another 3,113 have

suffered from disease or non-battle injuries. Of these, 320

soldiers were killed as a result of hostile action, while 44 are

known to have died either as a result of illness, non-combat

injuries or accidents, or have not yet officially been

assigned a cause of death pending the outcome of an

investigation

How on earth Flynn can claim 89 deaths down to SSRI's is

beyond my understanding as he is not qualified to give

statistics from other nations other than his own parliamentry

area of interest.

> >>

> >>

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

> >>

> >> March 18, 2008

> >>

> >>

> >> Coroners rampant

> >>

> >> *SSRI's suicide link-again,*

> >>

> >> Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has

been hammered by a

> >> Minister out to silence him.

> >>

> >> South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug

authorities because

> > he

> >> fears p! eople are killing themselves after taking

> >> antidepressants.Suicide11

> >>

> >

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

> > /2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days

after being

> >> prescribed

> >> antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his

car on June 16,

> >> minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had

suicidal thoughts. He

> > had

> >> been prescribed Citalopram after becoming

depressed through ill

> > health.

> >> His heart-broken family said they were not aware

of the suicide risks

> >> associated with antidepressants until the issue

was highlighted at Mr

> >> Woodburn's inquest this week.

> >>

> >> Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several

other suspected

> >> suicides involving the same group of

antidepressants, known as

> > selective

> >> serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

> >>

> >> He said: *"I have to say this is probably the

fifth, if not sixth

> >> inquest I've heard within a period of three years

when somebody either

> >> just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming

off it, have killed

> >> themselves one way or another, totally out of the

blue, totally

> > without

> >> expectation, without a history of suicidal

thoughts in the past."*

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr said "I think what happened to Mr

Woodburn was in part as a

> >> result of the drugs he was taking. There has been

publicity about

> > these

> >> drugs recently, particularly relating to younger

adults, and it does

> >> seem to me it's something that needs to be

highlighted."

> >>

> >> The Wiltshire coroner h! as stirred the wrath of

defence secretary, Des

> >> Browne. He has gone to the high court in an

attempt to prevent

> > coroners

> >> criticizing the Ministry of Defence during

military inquests.

> >>

> >> Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to

the Royal Courts of

> >> Justice asking for a court order banning coroners

from accusing the

> > MoD

> >> of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on

service personnel

> > deaths.

> >> The defence secretary claimed the phrase was

tantamount to blaming the

> >> government for the deaths of servicemen and might

be used against the

> >> MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation.

Des, what are you

> >> doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission

impossible in Helmand? Who

> >> said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be

over in three years

> >> without a shot being fired.' It was the Government

who cannot be

> >> exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

> >>

> >> Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq

and Afghanistan

> >> condemned the government for hampering inquests

but Masters, the

> >> Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues

would not be "deflected

> >> from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries

into deaths they

> > are

> >> entrusted to investigate -- those of people

serving their country when

> >> they are killed abroad".

> >>

> >> "If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he

added. While

> > parliament

> >> is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89

deaths from SSRI in

> >> Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

> >>

> >> *Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---! ---------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Interesting, I wonder if that coroner knows more about it, seems

like the government was pretty anxious to shut the coroner up,

while the coroner seems more than willing to NOT shut up.

Jim

On 5/10/2011 7:01 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Hi Jim

Here is - "Coalition casualties in Afghanistan" - source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

extract

UK = As of April 19, 2011, the British forces have suffered 364

fatalities and 1,654 wounded in action, another 3,113 have

suffered from disease or non-battle injuries. Of these, 320

soldiers were killed as a result of hostile action, while 44 are

known to have died either as a result of illness, non-combat

injuries or accidents, or have not yet officially been

assigned a cause of death pending the outcome of an

investigation

How on earth Flynn can claim 89 deaths down to SSRI's is

beyond my understanding as he is not qualified to give

statistics from other nations other than his own parliamentry

area of interest.

> >>

> >>

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

> >>

> >> March 18, 2008

> >>

> >>

> >> Coroners rampant

> >>

> >> *SSRI's suicide link-again,*

> >>

> >> Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has

been hammered by a

> >> Minister out to silence him.

> >>

> >> South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug

authorities because

> > he

> >> fears p! eople are killing themselves after taking

> >> antidepressants.Suicide11

> >>

> >

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

> > /2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days

after being

> >> prescribed

> >> antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his

car on June 16,

> >> minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had

suicidal thoughts. He

> > had

> >> been prescribed Citalopram after becoming

depressed through ill

> > health.

> >> His heart-broken family said they were not aware

of the suicide risks

> >> associated with antidepressants until the issue

was highlighted at Mr

> >> Woodburn's inquest this week.

> >>

> >> Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several

other suspected

> >> suicides involving the same group of

antidepressants, known as

> > selective

> >> serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

> >>

> >> He said: *"I have to say this is probably the

fifth, if not sixth

> >> inquest I've heard within a period of three years

when somebody either

> >> just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming

off it, have killed

> >> themselves one way or another, totally out of the

blue, totally

> > without

> >> expectation, without a history of suicidal

thoughts in the past."*

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr said "I think what happened to Mr

Woodburn was in part as a

> >> result of the drugs he was taking. There has been

publicity about

> > these

> >> drugs recently, particularly relating to younger

adults, and it does

> >> seem to me it's something that needs to be

highlighted."

> >>

> >> The Wiltshire coroner h! as stirred the wrath of

defence secretary, Des

> >> Browne. He has gone to the high court in an

attempt to prevent

> > coroners

> >> criticizing the Ministry of Defence during

military inquests.

> >>

> >> Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to

the Royal Courts of

> >> Justice asking for a court order banning coroners

from accusing the

> > MoD

> >> of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on

service personnel

> > deaths.

> >> The defence secretary claimed the phrase was

tantamount to blaming the

> >> government for the deaths of servicemen and might

be used against the

> >> MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation.

Des, what are you

> >> doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission

impossible in Helmand? Who

> >> said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be

over in three years

> >> without a shot being fired.' It was the Government

who cannot be

> >> exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

> >>

> >> Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq

and Afghanistan

> >> condemned the government for hampering inquests

but Masters, the

> >> Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues

would not be "deflected

> >> from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries

into deaths they

> > are

> >> entrusted to investigate -- those of people

serving their country when

> >> they are killed abroad".

> >>

> >> "If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he

added. While

> > parliament

> >> is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89

deaths from SSRI in

> >> Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

> >>

> >> *Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---! ---------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Interesting, I wonder if that coroner knows more about it, seems

like the government was pretty anxious to shut the coroner up,

while the coroner seems more than willing to NOT shut up.

Jim

On 5/10/2011 7:01 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Hi Jim

Here is - "Coalition casualties in Afghanistan" - source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

extract

UK = As of April 19, 2011, the British forces have suffered 364

fatalities and 1,654 wounded in action, another 3,113 have

suffered from disease or non-battle injuries. Of these, 320

soldiers were killed as a result of hostile action, while 44 are

known to have died either as a result of illness, non-combat

injuries or accidents, or have not yet officially been

assigned a cause of death pending the outcome of an

investigation

How on earth Flynn can claim 89 deaths down to SSRI's is

beyond my understanding as he is not qualified to give

statistics from other nations other than his own parliamentry

area of interest.

> >>

> >>

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/coroners-rampan.html

> >>

> >> March 18, 2008

> >>

> >>

> >> Coroners rampant

> >>

> >> *SSRI's suicide link-again,*

> >>

> >> Two Coroners strike blows for the truth. One has

been hammered by a

> >> Minister out to silence him.

> >>

> >> South Cumbria coroner Ian will contact drug

authorities because

> > he

> >> fears p! eople are killing themselves after taking

> >> antidepressants.Suicide11

> >>

> >

<http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized\

> > /2008/03/18/suicide11.jpg>

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr Nigel Woodburn drove into a tree just four days

after being

> >> prescribed

> >> antidepressants. He was killed at the wheel of his

car on June 16,

> >> minutes after confessing to his wife he'd had

suicidal thoughts. He

> > had

> >> been prescribed Citalopram after becoming

depressed through ill

> > health.

> >> His heart-broken family said they were not aware

of the suicide risks

> >> associated with antidepressants until the issue

was highlighted at Mr

> >> Woodburn's inquest this week.

> >>

> >> Mr told Tuesday's inquest he knew of several

other suspected

> >> suicides involving the same group of

antidepressants, known as

> > selective

> >> serotonin re-uptake inhibitors (SSRIs).

> >>

> >> He said: *"I have to say this is probably the

fifth, if not sixth

> >> inquest I've heard within a period of three years

when somebody either

> >> just going on to Citalopram or Seroxat, or coming

off it, have killed

> >> themselves one way or another, totally out of the

blue, totally

> > without

> >> expectation, without a history of suicidal

thoughts in the past."*

> >>

> >>

> >> Mr said "I think what happened to Mr

Woodburn was in part as a

> >> result of the drugs he was taking. There has been

publicity about

> > these

> >> drugs recently, particularly relating to younger

adults, and it does

> >> seem to me it's something that needs to be

highlighted."

> >>

> >> The Wiltshire coroner h! as stirred the wrath of

defence secretary, Des

> >> Browne. He has gone to the high court in an

attempt to prevent

> > coroners

> >> criticizing the Ministry of Defence during

military inquests.

> >>

> >> Government lawyers yesterday presented papers to

the Royal Courts of

> >> Justice asking for a court order banning coroners

from accusing the

> > MoD

> >> of "serious failings" when recording verdicts on

service personnel

> > deaths.

> >> The defence secretary claimed the phrase was

tantamount to blaming the

> >> government for the deaths of servicemen and might

be used against the

> >> MoD by families seeking to sue for compensation.

Des, what are you

> >> doing? Who sent the soldiers into a mission

impossible in Helmand? Who

> >> said he hoped that the Helmand Mission would 'be

over in three years

> >> without a shot being fired.' It was the Government

who cannot be

> >> exonerated for the blame for their deaths.

> >>

> >> Relatives of servicemen and women killed in Iraq

and Afghanistan

> >> condemned the government for hampering inquests

but Masters, the

> >> Wiltshire coroner, said he and his colleagues

would not be "deflected

> >> from conducting full, frank and fearless inquiries

into deaths they

> > are

> >> entrusted to investigate -- those of people

serving their country when

> >> they are killed abroad".

> >>

> >> "If something needs to be said, I'll say it," he

added. While

> > parliament

> >> is still reluctant to face the truth on the 89

deaths from SSRI in

> >> Afghanistan, coroners are doing our work.

> >>

> >> *Imposing a gag on them would be an outrage*.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---! ---------------------------------

> >

> >