Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

[Guest guest]

I agree 100%, Jim! Let's wait to hear from Dr.

Wakefield - there's always another side to a

story.

~Joke Jolivette

re: Vaccine-Autism Study

Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

You know, I honestly have not looked at Dr.

Wakefield's research but I

have a strong instinctive belief that this is

fabricated bullshit and

the almost biblical public flaying of this doctor,

first in Britain and

now here, smells strongly of an attempt to control

public opinion of

vaccines.

The same thing happened to the ish scientist

who had the nerve to

tell the truth about GMO food in the 90's,

publicly flayed by the Royal

Society in the exact same fashion.

The people will not be fooled.

Jim

On 1/5/2011 7:04 PM, nandtbearden@... wrote:

>

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/05/health/

AP-EU-MED-Autism-Fraud.html

>

> Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud

>

> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

>

> Published: January 5, 2011

>

> Sign In to E-Mail

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> Print

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> Filed at 7:50 p.m. EST

>

> LONDON (AP) - The first study to link a

childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored

information about the children involved, according

to a new report on the widely discredited

research.

>

> The conclusions of the 1998 paper by

Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of

its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical

journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the

suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism

spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates

for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully

recovered.

>

> A new examination found, by comparing the

reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital

records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered

facts about patients in their study.

>

> The analysis, by British journalist Deer,

found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper

that the 12 children studied were normal until

they had the MMR shot, five had previously

documented developmental problems. Deer also found

that all the cases were somehow misrepresented

when he compared data from medical records and the

children's parents.

>

> Wakefield could not be reached for comment

despite repeated calls and requests to the

publisher of his recent book, which claims there

is a connection between vaccines and autism that

has been ignored by the medical establishment.

Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a

vocal following including celebrity supporters

like McCarthy.

>

> Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times

of London and Britain's Channel 4 television

network. It was published online Thursday in the

medical journal, BMJ.

>

> In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona

Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study " an

elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other journals should be examined to see if it

should be retracted.

>

> Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to

practice medicine in Britain. Many other published

studies have shown no connection between the MMR

vaccination and autism.

>

> But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper

was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in

Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed

endemic in England and Wales.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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> ------------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

,

I think in polite conversation I can have an "instinctive" off the

cuff opinion just like the next guy and not everything I say

represents my work, my religion, my family or this or any other

newsgroup or my dog for that matter. My opinion represents me and

can change as time and information clarify my views.

I can also observe what I observe without applying to some

authority for my opinion thank you very much. I run on my own

steam and take responsibility for my own observations and actions.

I think we all want more of that going on in general even if we

don't always agree. I can also admit when I'm truly wrong which I

have found makes me right a majority of the time, at least in the

end

You are definitely correct that I and any well intentioned group

(like this one) would not condone any human experimenting without

informed consent and for me personally I think children

are experimented on way too much and though legally considered

non-beings until they reach age should be treated with way more

respect than goes on now, especially in the USA.

Wakefield is an interesting case, there are many parents who

observed their children going mute after the MMR jab, and

certainly Wakefield became the poster boy for the whole affair but

there really were many parents who witnessed their child's

deterioration following the MMR jab. Those that witnessed the harm

held up Wakefield as a rallying point.

I believe Wakefield et al were publicly blasted to try and avert

public opinion against vaccines, especially after most informed

people would have nothing to do with the last swine flu sham and

the WHO leading experts were found to be paid off by the

manufacturers and the CDC lied about the fake epidemic here in the

states. Before that was the HPV scam where state governors were

actually trying to mandate the vaccination of all girls with a

toxic vaccine that works on 4 of the hundreds of strains of HPV

that MIGHT give you cervical cancer if you contract it. Girls

receiving the HPV vaccine had in their population seizures, cancer

and other illness while control group girls had none.

I know the smallpox vaccine really truly saved lives as people who

survived smallpox are forever after immune from it. I don't think

we need nearly all of the vaccines that are being "recommended"

but I'm not against every vaccine that ever was but I am convinced

that many recent vaccines are hoaxes or overly promoted for profit

at the expense of the people, a common theme these days in the

medical industry. So much a hoax that I would without any data

refuse any vaccine offered me without a thorough study first and

question the broad public pillory of any doctor who had spoken

out.

Best,

Jim

On 1/6/2011 3:43 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Jim

as you said "I

honestly have not looked at Dr. Wakefield's research " therefore one

must ask what right have you to an opinion given that you

occupy a position within the CCHR.

Surely it is incumbent upon you/your organisation to show where

Wakefield's research was right & not to fall into Wakefields

trap of playing the victim game.

You may well have instinctive beliefs but just as many people

have counter fears because the anti vaccine lobby is run by fear

mongerers.

So setting aside Dr Wakefields fate ..............his "science"

remains published therefore can you & or your organisation

show us where he was right?

Incidently Wakefield was not struck off by the GMC because of

his science but because he showed invasive instruments into

children without conscent !!

Does the CCHR approve of experimenting on children without

consent ...........of course they don't

BTW .....other doctors were struck off in the same incident

including - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/may/24/mmr-doctor-andrew-wakefield-struck-off

Wakefield

said he had never opposed vaccination or claimed to have

proof that MMR was linked to autism.

"I never

made the claim at the time, nor do I still make the

claim that MMR is a cause of autism," he said.

"You are conflating

the two things. You are conflating the link with autism

with the overall review of the vaccine."

In a statement after

the verdict, he claimed that efforts to "discredit and

silence me through the GMC process" had provided a screen

to shield the government from exposure over the the MMR

vaccine "scandal".

Wakefield had been found guilty in

January of acting dishonestly and irresponsibly for carrying out unnecessarily invasive tests on

children. He was said to have abused his position of

trust, although his dishonesty had not led to personal

financial gain.

> >

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/05/health/AP-EU-MED-Autism-Fraud.html

> >

> > Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud

> >

> > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

> >

> > Published: January 5, 2011

> >

> > Sign In to E-Mail

> >

> > Print

> >

> > Filed at 7:50 p.m. EST

> >

> > LONDON (AP) — The first study to link a childhood

vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the

children involved, according to a new report on the widely

discredited research.

> >

> > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield

and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later

retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published.

Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism

spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles,

mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.

> >

> > A new examination found, by comparing the reported

diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and

colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.

> >

> > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found

that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children

studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had

previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found

that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared

data from medical records and the children's parents.

> >

> > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite

repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book,

which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism

that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield

now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following

including celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> >

> > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of

London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was

published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.

> >

> > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee

and colleagues called Wakefield's study "an elaborate fraud."

They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined

to see if it should be retracted.

> >

> > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to

practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have

shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.

> >

> > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was

published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the

U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Geez, . We're doing this again???!!! ~Joke Jolivette From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of jeremy9282Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:44 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com Jimas you said " I honestly have not looked at Dr. Wakefield's research " therefore one must ask what right have you to an opinion given that you occupy a position within the CCHR.Surely it is incumbent upon you/your organisation to show where Wakefield's research was right & not to fall into Wakefields trap of playing the victim game.You may well have instinctive beliefs but just as many people have counter fears because the anti vaccine lobby is run by fear mongerers. So setting aside Dr Wakefields fate ..............his " science " remains published therefore can you & or your organisation show us where he was right? Incidently Wakefield was not struck off by the GMC because of his science but because he showed invasive instruments into children without conscent !!Does the CCHR approve of experimenting on children without consent ...........of course they don'tBTW .....other doctors were struck off in the same incident including - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/may/24/mmr-doctor-andrew-wakefield-struck-off Wakefield said he had never opposed vaccination or claimed to have proof that MMR was linked to autism. " I never made the claim at the time, nor do I still make the claim that MMR is a cause of autism, " he said. " You are conflating the two things. You are conflating the link with autism with the overall review of the vaccine. " In a statement after the verdict, he claimed that efforts to " discredit and silence me through the GMC process " had provided a screen to shield the government from exposure over the the MMR vaccine " scandal " .Wakefield had been found guilty in January of acting dishonestly and irresponsibly for carrying out unnecessarily invasive tests on children. He was said to have abused his position of trust, although his dishonesty had not led to personal financial gain. > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/05/health/AP-EU-MED-Autism-Fraud.html> >> > Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud> >> > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS> >> > Published: January 5, 2011> >> > Sign In to E-Mail> >> > Print> >> > Filed at 7:50 p.m. EST> >> > LONDON (AP) — The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.> >> > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.> >> > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.> >> > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.> >> > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like McCarthy.> >> > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.> >> > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.> >> > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.> >> > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

[Guest guest]

Man, I hope not. I considered not posting it for fear of discussion deteriorating to religion.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "Joke Jolivette" <jokej@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:47:30 -0800<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com Geez, . We're doing this again???!!! ~Joke Jolivette From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of jeremy9282Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:44 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com Jimas you said " I honestly have not looked at Dr. Wakefield's research " therefore one must ask what right have you to an opinion given that you occupy a position within the CCHR.Surely it is incumbent upon you/your organisation to show where Wakefield's research was right & not to fall into Wakefields trap of playing the victim game.You may well have instinctive beliefs but just as many people have counter fears because the anti vaccine lobby is run by fear mongerers. So setting aside Dr Wakefields fate ..............his " science " remains published therefore can you & or your organisation show us where he was right? Incidently Wakefield was not struck off by the GMC because of his science but because he showed invasive instruments into children without conscent !!Does the CCHR approve of experimenting on children without consent ...........of course they don'tBTW .....other doctors were struck off in the same incident including - http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/may/24/mmr-doctor-andrew-wakefield-struck-off Wakefield said he had never opposed vaccination or claimed to have proof that MMR was linked to autism. " I never made the claim at the time, nor do I still make the claim that MMR is a cause of autism, " he said. " You are conflating the two things. You are conflating the link with autism with the overall review of the vaccine. " In a statement after the verdict, he claimed that efforts to " discredit and silence me through the GMC process " had provided a screen to shield the government from exposure over the the MMR vaccine " scandal " .Wakefield had been found guilty in January of acting dishonestly and irresponsibly for carrying out unnecessarily invasive tests on children. He was said to have abused his position of trust, although his dishonesty had not led to personal financial gain. > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/05/health/AP-EU-MED-Autism-Fraud.html> >> > Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud> >> > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS> >> > Published: January 5, 2011> >> > Sign In to E-Mail> >> > Print> >> > Filed at 7:50 p.m. EST> >> > LONDON (AP) — The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.> >> > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.> >> > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.> >> > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.> >> > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like McCarthy.> >> > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.> >> > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.> >> > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.> >> > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T> >> > ------------------------------------> >> >

[Guest guest]

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

[Guest guest]

I agree. Luckily, I was both blissfully ignorant of the dangers and my children avoided any permanent effects from immunizations. If I was to rear a child now, I would avoid the vaccines. If that was not possible, I would have them given one-at-a-time with a long interval between receiving each vaccine. Even if Thimersol isn't being used and/or is not the cause, I believe we overload kids' immune systems with multi-vaccines.You just can't trust pHARMa.TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Antony Sandler <antonysandler@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:46:31 -0800 (PST)<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife. I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

[Guest guest]

, When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from. Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting. Best,~Joke Jolivette From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife. I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5766 (20110107) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5766 (20110107) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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Great post, Joke! Makes me feel remiss in not congratulating the parents-to-be. So, congrats! What a lucky child to be born to parents already skeptical of the pharma cabal!TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "Joke Jolivette" <jokej@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 06:05:40 -0800<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com , When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from. Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting. Best,~Joke Jolivette From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife. I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5766 (20110107) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5766 (20110107) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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It is too bad that so many have to suffer before we see the light. I wish I could have been made aware BEFORE I took my trip through HELL!!!

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Great post, Joke! Makes me feel remiss in not congratulating the parents-to-be. So, congrats! What a lucky child to be born to parents already skeptical of the pharma cabal!Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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It is too bad that so many have to suffer before we see the light. I wish I could have been made aware BEFORE I took my trip through HELL!!!

From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:35:52 AMSubject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

Great post, Joke! Makes me feel remiss in not congratulating the parents-to-be. So, congrats! What a lucky child to be born to parents already skeptical of the pharma cabal!Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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It is too bad that so many have to suffer before we see the light. I wish I could have been made aware BEFORE I took my trip through HELL!!!

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,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

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When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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It is too bad that so many have to suffer before we see the light. I wish I could have been made aware BEFORE I took my trip through HELL!!!

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Subject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

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When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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Thanks for the link to the site. The horrible thing about my experience, ever since I had it NOBODY will believe a word I say. I have been telling my wife for YEARS to get off the "PILL". Luckily my mother-in-law's boy friend's word matches mine, and holds more weight. I feel like Rodney Dangerfield, I get no respect... LOL. Man, I hope we all have a great year.

From: Joke Jolivette <jokej@...>SSRI medications Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:05:40 AMSubject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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Thanks for the link to the site. The horrible thing about my experience, ever since I had it NOBODY will believe a word I say. I have been telling my wife for YEARS to get off the "PILL". Luckily my mother-in-law's boy friend's word matches mine, and holds more weight. I feel like Rodney Dangerfield, I get no respect... LOL. Man, I hope we all have a great year.

From: Joke Jolivette <jokej@...>SSRI medications Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:05:40 AMSubject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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Thanks for the link to the site. The horrible thing about my experience, ever since I had it NOBODY will believe a word I say. I have been telling my wife for YEARS to get off the "PILL". Luckily my mother-in-law's boy friend's word matches mine, and holds more weight. I feel like Rodney Dangerfield, I get no respect... LOL. Man, I hope we all have a great year.

From: Joke Jolivette <jokej@...>SSRI medications Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:05:40 AMSubject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link to the site. The horrible thing about my experience, ever since I had it NOBODY will believe a word I say. I have been telling my wife for YEARS to get off the "PILL". Luckily my mother-in-law's boy friend's word matches mine, and holds more weight. I feel like Rodney Dangerfield, I get no respect... LOL. Man, I hope we all have a great year.

From: Joke Jolivette <jokej@...>SSRI medications Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:05:40 AMSubject: RE: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

,

When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

From: SSRI medications [mailto:SSRI medications ] On Behalf Of Antony SandlerSent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:47 AMSSRI medications Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Apparently even if the older stockpiles of mercury vaccines are

being used up by now but still the new vaccines are showing large

amounts of aluminum, which is also bad.

So even though the thimersol has been fazed out the troubles are

still going on.

I agree, if the vaccines were actually needed I would also spread

them way far apart.

Best,

Jim

On 1/7/2011 6:55 AM, nandtbearden@... wrote:

I agree. Luckily, I was both blissfully ignorant of the dangers

and my children avoided any permanent effects from immunizations.

If I was to rear a child now, I would avoid the vaccines. If that

was not possible, I would have them given one-at-a-time with a

long interval between receiving each vaccine. Even if Thimersol

isn't being used and/or is not the cause, I believe we overload

kids' immune systems with multi-vaccines.

You just can't trust pHARMa.

Terry

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Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism

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When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT

administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized

EVERYTHING about them.   I will probably opt out of most of

them.   I know this is going to be a point of contention

with me and my wife.   

 

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first

child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine.   I SAW THE CHANGE

RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.   I don't need anyone to tell me

the cause and effect.   The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I

am so disgusted with our nation.  

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Apparently even if the older stockpiles of mercury vaccines are

being used up by now but still the new vaccines are showing large

amounts of aluminum, which is also bad.

So even though the thimersol has been fazed out the troubles are

still going on.

I agree, if the vaccines were actually needed I would also spread

them way far apart.

Best,

Jim

On 1/7/2011 6:55 AM, nandtbearden@... wrote:

I agree. Luckily, I was both blissfully ignorant of the dangers

and my children avoided any permanent effects from immunizations.

If I was to rear a child now, I would avoid the vaccines. If that

was not possible, I would have them given one-at-a-time with a

long interval between receiving each vaccine. Even if Thimersol

isn't being used and/or is not the cause, I believe we overload

kids' immune systems with multi-vaccines.

You just can't trust pHARMa.

Terry

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From: Antony Sandler <antonysandler@...>

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Reply SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism

Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

 

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT

administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized

EVERYTHING about them.   I will probably opt out of most of

them.   I know this is going to be a point of contention

with me and my wife.   

 

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first

child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine.   I SAW THE CHANGE

RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.   I don't need anyone to tell me

the cause and effect.   The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I

am so disgusted with our nation.  

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Apparently even if the older stockpiles of mercury vaccines are

being used up by now but still the new vaccines are showing large

amounts of aluminum, which is also bad.

So even though the thimersol has been fazed out the troubles are

still going on.

I agree, if the vaccines were actually needed I would also spread

them way far apart.

Best,

Jim

On 1/7/2011 6:55 AM, nandtbearden@... wrote:

I agree. Luckily, I was both blissfully ignorant of the dangers

and my children avoided any permanent effects from immunizations.

If I was to rear a child now, I would avoid the vaccines. If that

was not possible, I would have them given one-at-a-time with a

long interval between receiving each vaccine. Even if Thimersol

isn't being used and/or is not the cause, I believe we overload

kids' immune systems with multi-vaccines.

You just can't trust pHARMa.

Terry

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From: Antony Sandler <antonysandler@...>

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<SSRI medications >

Reply SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism

Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

 

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT

administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized

EVERYTHING about them.   I will probably opt out of most of

them.   I know this is going to be a point of contention

with me and my wife.   

 

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first

child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine.   I SAW THE CHANGE

RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.   I don't need anyone to tell me

the cause and effect.   The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I

am so disgusted with our nation.  

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Apparently even if the older stockpiles of mercury vaccines are

being used up by now but still the new vaccines are showing large

amounts of aluminum, which is also bad.

So even though the thimersol has been fazed out the troubles are

still going on.

I agree, if the vaccines were actually needed I would also spread

them way far apart.

Best,

Jim

On 1/7/2011 6:55 AM, nandtbearden@... wrote:

I agree. Luckily, I was both blissfully ignorant of the dangers

and my children avoided any permanent effects from immunizations.

If I was to rear a child now, I would avoid the vaccines. If that

was not possible, I would have them given one-at-a-time with a

long interval between receiving each vaccine. Even if Thimersol

isn't being used and/or is not the cause, I believe we overload

kids' immune systems with multi-vaccines.

You just can't trust pHARMa.

Terry

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From: Antony Sandler <antonysandler@...>

Sender: SSRI medications

Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:46:31 -0800 (PST)

<SSRI medications >

Reply SSRI medications

Subject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism

Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

 

When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT

administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized

EVERYTHING about them.   I will probably opt out of most of

them.   I know this is going to be a point of contention

with me and my wife.   

 

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first

child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine.   I SAW THE CHANGE

RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES.   I don't need anyone to tell me

the cause and effect.   The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I

am so disgusted with our nation.  

[Guest guest]

I get that Wakefield has been painted as a money

grubbing doctor, concocting evidence to fuel large lawsuits.

I still find it interesting that so much attention has gone into

sniffing this one doctor out.

The amount of effort put into the pillory of Wakefield on this one

study gives me pause when criminals like Biederman are walking

around with their licenses, laying low until the public forgets

and continuing to publish the whole while.

Especially since Wakefield apparently uses scientific treatments

that gets results, according to his patients, Heaven forbid.

Something Biederman can never claim, read Anatomy of an Epidemic

if you haven't.

On 1/9/2011 3:38 AM, ccreel_04064 wrote:

<< I did not mention religion.>>

** My only reason for saying anything at all was that the CCHR issue was raised in response to Jim's comment. I felt it was irrelevant. I went on to share my views on the Wakefield issue to indicate that some of us without CCHR affiliations had opinions similar to Jim's. << Please also consider, that where I live we do not, as a rule, use ploys

to extract knee jerk reactions. We tend to be direct and factual.>>

** I referred to the pro-drug movement as using ploys. I did not mean to suggest that anything in your comment was designed to elicit anything at all from readers. I'm sorry for any unclarity on this. << However if I may move into the instinctive for a moment, then I must

properly consider Wakefields patents for alternative vaccines, & ask

myself what was he doing placing endoscopes & taking spinal taps from 5

out of the 12 children, who it has been established, were

developmentally delayed before they had MMR

If a pharma co carried out trials in this manner there would be an

outcry round here & rightly so. Therefore the establishments reaction to

Wakefield must also be seen within the context of Wakefield's actions &

not solely as a kneejerck reaction to protect it's MMR product.

Please also remember that the 12 children were the offspring of the

clients of a classaction lawyer

Returning to the rational then all that I am asking is that someone show

me where Wakefield's science established MMR causes Autism

>>

** I'm conflicted, . I know how far the power base in this world will go to protect the cash cows that have made them rich. How do we know THEY aren't going for the knee jerk reaction of the public with the story of the "deception" put upon people by Wakefield? I'm just going to have to wait and see if I feel any clearer on this in time to come. Right now, I'm not so sure this isn't one huge set-up.

Take care, . I hope you understand I bear no ill will whatsoever. Regards,

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I get that Wakefield has been painted as a money

grubbing doctor, concocting evidence to fuel large lawsuits.

I still find it interesting that so much attention has gone into

sniffing this one doctor out.

The amount of effort put into the pillory of Wakefield on this one

study gives me pause when criminals like Biederman are walking

around with their licenses, laying low until the public forgets

and continuing to publish the whole while.

Especially since Wakefield apparently uses scientific treatments

that gets results, according to his patients, Heaven forbid.

Something Biederman can never claim, read Anatomy of an Epidemic

if you haven't.

On 1/9/2011 3:38 AM, ccreel_04064 wrote:

<< I did not mention religion.>>

** My only reason for saying anything at all was that the CCHR issue was raised in response to Jim's comment. I felt it was irrelevant. I went on to share my views on the Wakefield issue to indicate that some of us without CCHR affiliations had opinions similar to Jim's. << Please also consider, that where I live we do not, as a rule, use ploys

to extract knee jerk reactions. We tend to be direct and factual.>>

** I referred to the pro-drug movement as using ploys. I did not mean to suggest that anything in your comment was designed to elicit anything at all from readers. I'm sorry for any unclarity on this. << However if I may move into the instinctive for a moment, then I must

properly consider Wakefields patents for alternative vaccines, & ask

myself what was he doing placing endoscopes & taking spinal taps from 5

out of the 12 children, who it has been established, were

developmentally delayed before they had MMR

If a pharma co carried out trials in this manner there would be an

outcry round here & rightly so. Therefore the establishments reaction to

Wakefield must also be seen within the context of Wakefield's actions &

not solely as a kneejerck reaction to protect it's MMR product.

Please also remember that the 12 children were the offspring of the

clients of a classaction lawyer

Returning to the rational then all that I am asking is that someone show

me where Wakefield's science established MMR causes Autism

>>

** I'm conflicted, . I know how far the power base in this world will go to protect the cash cows that have made them rich. How do we know THEY aren't going for the knee jerk reaction of the public with the story of the "deception" put upon people by Wakefield? I'm just going to have to wait and see if I feel any clearer on this in time to come. Right now, I'm not so sure this isn't one huge set-up.

Take care, . I hope you understand I bear no ill will whatsoever. Regards,

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I get that Wakefield has been painted as a money

grubbing doctor, concocting evidence to fuel large lawsuits.

I still find it interesting that so much attention has gone into

sniffing this one doctor out.

The amount of effort put into the pillory of Wakefield on this one

study gives me pause when criminals like Biederman are walking

around with their licenses, laying low until the public forgets

and continuing to publish the whole while.

Especially since Wakefield apparently uses scientific treatments

that gets results, according to his patients, Heaven forbid.

Something Biederman can never claim, read Anatomy of an Epidemic

if you haven't.

On 1/9/2011 3:38 AM, ccreel_04064 wrote:

<< I did not mention religion.>>

** My only reason for saying anything at all was that the CCHR issue was raised in response to Jim's comment. I felt it was irrelevant. I went on to share my views on the Wakefield issue to indicate that some of us without CCHR affiliations had opinions similar to Jim's. << Please also consider, that where I live we do not, as a rule, use ploys

to extract knee jerk reactions. We tend to be direct and factual.>>

** I referred to the pro-drug movement as using ploys. I did not mean to suggest that anything in your comment was designed to elicit anything at all from readers. I'm sorry for any unclarity on this. << However if I may move into the instinctive for a moment, then I must

properly consider Wakefields patents for alternative vaccines, & ask

myself what was he doing placing endoscopes & taking spinal taps from 5

out of the 12 children, who it has been established, were

developmentally delayed before they had MMR

If a pharma co carried out trials in this manner there would be an

outcry round here & rightly so. Therefore the establishments reaction to

Wakefield must also be seen within the context of Wakefield's actions &

not solely as a kneejerck reaction to protect it's MMR product.

Please also remember that the 12 children were the offspring of the

clients of a classaction lawyer

Returning to the rational then all that I am asking is that someone show

me where Wakefield's science established MMR causes Autism

>>

** I'm conflicted, . I know how far the power base in this world will go to protect the cash cows that have made them rich. How do we know THEY aren't going for the knee jerk reaction of the public with the story of the "deception" put upon people by Wakefield? I'm just going to have to wait and see if I feel any clearer on this in time to come. Right now, I'm not so sure this isn't one huge set-up.

Take care, . I hope you understand I bear no ill will whatsoever. Regards,

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I get that Wakefield has been painted as a money

grubbing doctor, concocting evidence to fuel large lawsuits.

I still find it interesting that so much attention has gone into

sniffing this one doctor out.

The amount of effort put into the pillory of Wakefield on this one

study gives me pause when criminals like Biederman are walking

around with their licenses, laying low until the public forgets

and continuing to publish the whole while.

Especially since Wakefield apparently uses scientific treatments

that gets results, according to his patients, Heaven forbid.

Something Biederman can never claim, read Anatomy of an Epidemic

if you haven't.

On 1/9/2011 3:38 AM, ccreel_04064 wrote:

<< I did not mention religion.>>

** My only reason for saying anything at all was that the CCHR issue was raised in response to Jim's comment. I felt it was irrelevant. I went on to share my views on the Wakefield issue to indicate that some of us without CCHR affiliations had opinions similar to Jim's. << Please also consider, that where I live we do not, as a rule, use ploys

to extract knee jerk reactions. We tend to be direct and factual.>>

** I referred to the pro-drug movement as using ploys. I did not mean to suggest that anything in your comment was designed to elicit anything at all from readers. I'm sorry for any unclarity on this. << However if I may move into the instinctive for a moment, then I must

properly consider Wakefields patents for alternative vaccines, & ask

myself what was he doing placing endoscopes & taking spinal taps from 5

out of the 12 children, who it has been established, were

developmentally delayed before they had MMR

If a pharma co carried out trials in this manner there would be an

outcry round here & rightly so. Therefore the establishments reaction to

Wakefield must also be seen within the context of Wakefield's actions &

not solely as a kneejerck reaction to protect it's MMR product.

Please also remember that the 12 children were the offspring of the

clients of a classaction lawyer

Returning to the rational then all that I am asking is that someone show

me where Wakefield's science established MMR causes Autism

>>

** I'm conflicted, . I know how far the power base in this world will go to protect the cash cows that have made them rich. How do we know THEY aren't going for the knee jerk reaction of the public with the story of the "deception" put upon people by Wakefield? I'm just going to have to wait and see if I feel any clearer on this in time to come. Right now, I'm not so sure this isn't one huge set-up.

Take care, . I hope you understand I bear no ill will whatsoever. Regards,

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Thanks!!! We just went off birth control (currently using other means), but are not going to try till next year. Making sure things are in order.

From: "nandtbearden@..." <nandtbearden@...>SSRI medications <SSRI Medication >Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:35:52 AMSubject: Re: Re: Vaccine-Autism Study Was Fraud - NYTimes.com

Great post, Joke! Makes me feel remiss in not congratulating the parents-to-be. So, congrats! What a lucky child to be born to parents already skeptical of the pharma cabal!Terry Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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When I was pregnant with our first child, my husband didn't want to vaccinate. I thought he was nuts. I still believed that that was the only way to protect my child from dangerous diseases. I decided to do my own research (initially to discredit my husband's opinion) and found this website: http://www.thinktwice.com/. This was 10 years ago and it looks like it has changed a lot, but I'm sure that their message is still the same. I purchased one of their books and read it cover to cover. When I turned the last page, I was SO GLAD that my husband had made me confront this, 'cause no one can convince me anymore that it is safe to bypass a child's immune system and inject it with these vaccines. I bet that if your wife just scratches the surface of this issue, she'll see where you're coming from.

Congratulations with the pregnancy! How very exciting.

Best,

~Joke Jolivette

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When my wife and I have a child next year, I plan on NOT administering any of the Vaccines until I have scrutinized EVERYTHING about them. I will probably opt out of most of them. I know this is going to be a point of contention with me and my wife.

I SAW FIRST HAND the change in my wife's cousin's first child, turn autistic from MMR vaccine. I SAW THE CHANGE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES. I don't need anyone to tell me the cause and effect. The proof is in the puddin'. Man, I am so disgusted with our nation.

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