Re: College Of Psychiatry Of Ireland Statement On ECT & Section 59(1)(b) Of Mental H

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But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed choice?' What if two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the capacity? GoldBerkeley, CA " ...misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Shakespeare

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, jeremy9282 <jeremybryce1953@...> wrote:

The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to refuse to have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an informed choice.

[Guest guest]

Good point .

Certainly if two doctors decided you lacked capacity, you would be given

ECT ...............but how many people are actually considered to lack

capacity?

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> But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed choice?'

What if

> two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the capacity?

>

> Gold

> Berkeley, CA

>

> " ...misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Shakespeare

>

>

>

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, jeremy9282

> jeremybryce1953@...wrote:

>

> The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to refuse

to

> > have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an informed choice.

>

[Guest guest]

Good point .

Certainly if two doctors decided you lacked capacity, you would be given

ECT ...............but how many people are actually considered to lack

capacity?

>

> But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed choice?'

What if

> two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the capacity?

>

> Gold

> Berkeley, CA

>

> " ...misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Shakespeare

>

>

>

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, jeremy9282

> jeremybryce1953@...wrote:

>

> The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to refuse

to

> > have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an informed choice.

>

[Guest guest]

Good point .

Certainly if two doctors decided you lacked capacity, you would be given

ECT ...............but how many people are actually considered to lack

capacity?

>

> But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed choice?'

What if

> two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the capacity?

>

> Gold

> Berkeley, CA

>

> " ...misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Shakespeare

>

>

>

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, jeremy9282

> jeremybryce1953@...wrote:

>

> The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to refuse

to

> > have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an informed choice.

>

[Guest guest]

Good point .

Certainly if two doctors decided you lacked capacity, you would be given

ECT ...............but how many people are actually considered to lack

capacity?

>

> But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed choice?'

What if

> two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the capacity?

>

> Gold

> Berkeley, CA

>

> " ...misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows. " Shakespeare

>

>

>

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, jeremy9282

> jeremybryce1953@...wrote:

>

> The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to refuse

to

> > have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an informed choice.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, who decides? The very doctors who failed the

patient that's who. beat down a person with drugs and then they

are capable of making an informed decision? Especially with

depression, people who are that beaten down tend to not care at

the moment or even hope for an end? At least it is a possibility

and so should not be allowed at all. Leaving someone alone should

be first and the most respectful thing especially with a treatment

that has NEVER been tested for safety.

On 3/25/2011 9:25 PM, Gold wrote:

But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed

choice?' What if two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the

capacity?

Gold

Berkeley, CA

"...misery acquaints a man with strange

bedfellows." Shakespeare

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM,

jeremy9282 <jeremybryce1953@...>

wrote:

The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to

refuse to have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an

informed choice.

[Guest guest]

Yes, who decides? The very doctors who failed the

patient that's who. beat down a person with drugs and then they

are capable of making an informed decision? Especially with

depression, people who are that beaten down tend to not care at

the moment or even hope for an end? At least it is a possibility

and so should not be allowed at all. Leaving someone alone should

be first and the most respectful thing especially with a treatment

that has NEVER been tested for safety.

On 3/25/2011 9:25 PM, Gold wrote:

But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed

choice?' What if two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the

capacity?

Gold

Berkeley, CA

"...misery acquaints a man with strange

bedfellows." Shakespeare

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM,

jeremy9282 <jeremybryce1953@...>

wrote:

The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to

refuse to have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an

informed choice.

[Guest guest]

Yes, who decides? The very doctors who failed the

patient that's who. beat down a person with drugs and then they

are capable of making an informed decision? Especially with

depression, people who are that beaten down tend to not care at

the moment or even hope for an end? At least it is a possibility

and so should not be allowed at all. Leaving someone alone should

be first and the most respectful thing especially with a treatment

that has NEVER been tested for safety.

On 3/25/2011 9:25 PM, Gold wrote:

But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed

choice?' What if two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the

capacity?

Gold

Berkeley, CA

"...misery acquaints a man with strange

bedfellows." Shakespeare

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM,

jeremy9282 <jeremybryce1953@...>

wrote:

The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to

refuse to have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an

informed choice.

[Guest guest]

Yes, who decides? The very doctors who failed the

patient that's who. beat down a person with drugs and then they

are capable of making an informed decision? Especially with

depression, people who are that beaten down tend to not care at

the moment or even hope for an end? At least it is a possibility

and so should not be allowed at all. Leaving someone alone should

be first and the most respectful thing especially with a treatment

that has NEVER been tested for safety.

On 3/25/2011 9:25 PM, Gold wrote:

But what constitutes 'the capacity to make such an informed

choice?' What if two doctors decide patient A doesn't have the

capacity?

Gold

Berkeley, CA

"...misery acquaints a man with strange

bedfellows." Shakespeare

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM,

jeremy9282 <jeremybryce1953@...>

wrote:

The College of Psychiatry supports the right of any patient to

refuse to have ECT if they have the capacity to make such an

informed choice.