Re: reply to Cate - celexa withdrawal

[Guest guest]

Thank you, -- I had sort of thought the same myself, but that maybe

someone who is more up on things would know better than I...

Sadly, someone I care about is in the clutches of a shrink, who is " withdrawing "

him in this fashion. The shrink, after doping the poor old man for decades,

first with high amounts of Prozac plus trazedone (?) and then, in recent years,

with Celexa, to which he added Neurontin-For-Everything, recently announced to

this fellow that " at your age, " (75), you " can get into trouble with this drug. "

(Is 75 the magic age, or was it a dangeroud drug at a dangerous dose for the

past decade? )

But, never mind, the shrink said, you can take the Neurontin-for-Everything

virtually forever, with no problems. (Other than the whole basketful of problems

it has already visited on the man.)

Are these out-of-control shrinks totally within the law to damage people this

way? The guy has no office staff, so no one is overseeing what he does, except

his wife, who specializes in children as a shrink herself. The shrink called

this man's home a few weeks ago and left an incoherent garbled message on the

phone. Either he has had a stroke or he is brain-impaired himself by alcohol

and/or drugs. Multiply this poor old man by hundreds of thousands, and the

damage these drug companies and their trained pushers do is astounding. Cate

> >

> > How does one withdraw safely from Celexa? Is it OK to cut the dose in

> half, ie, from 40mg to 20mg daily, and then to 20mg every other day?

> >

>

>

>

> Cate ...............it is not OK to cut the dose of Celexa (citalopram)

> by 50% nor indeed is it ok to cut the dose of any SSRI by a similar %

> ammount.

>

> Neither is it ok to go on from there and do a skip every other day. Some

> of these drugs have a very short half life & the shorter it is the more

> likely one would suffer rapid withdrawal symptoms by yo-yoing on /off

> dose by doing an every other day skip.

>

> If a person plans to withdraw then a gradual tapering is best with step

> cuts of as little as 5 to 10% (of current dose) and no progressing to a

> lower step until one has stabilised at the previous level.

>

> There is no hard and fast rule .............but slow & gradual seems to

> work best

>

>

>

> > Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

>

> In what regard do you mean worse?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, -- I had sort of thought the same myself, but that maybe

someone who is more up on things would know better than I...

Sadly, someone I care about is in the clutches of a shrink, who is " withdrawing "

him in this fashion. The shrink, after doping the poor old man for decades,

first with high amounts of Prozac plus trazedone (?) and then, in recent years,

with Celexa, to which he added Neurontin-For-Everything, recently announced to

this fellow that " at your age, " (75), you " can get into trouble with this drug. "

(Is 75 the magic age, or was it a dangeroud drug at a dangerous dose for the

past decade? )

But, never mind, the shrink said, you can take the Neurontin-for-Everything

virtually forever, with no problems. (Other than the whole basketful of problems

it has already visited on the man.)

Are these out-of-control shrinks totally within the law to damage people this

way? The guy has no office staff, so no one is overseeing what he does, except

his wife, who specializes in children as a shrink herself. The shrink called

this man's home a few weeks ago and left an incoherent garbled message on the

phone. Either he has had a stroke or he is brain-impaired himself by alcohol

and/or drugs. Multiply this poor old man by hundreds of thousands, and the

damage these drug companies and their trained pushers do is astounding. Cate

> >

> > How does one withdraw safely from Celexa? Is it OK to cut the dose in

> half, ie, from 40mg to 20mg daily, and then to 20mg every other day?

> >

>

>

>

> Cate ...............it is not OK to cut the dose of Celexa (citalopram)

> by 50% nor indeed is it ok to cut the dose of any SSRI by a similar %

> ammount.

>

> Neither is it ok to go on from there and do a skip every other day. Some

> of these drugs have a very short half life & the shorter it is the more

> likely one would suffer rapid withdrawal symptoms by yo-yoing on /off

> dose by doing an every other day skip.

>

> If a person plans to withdraw then a gradual tapering is best with step

> cuts of as little as 5 to 10% (of current dose) and no progressing to a

> lower step until one has stabilised at the previous level.

>

> There is no hard and fast rule .............but slow & gradual seems to

> work best

>

>

>

> > Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

>

> In what regard do you mean worse?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, -- I had sort of thought the same myself, but that maybe

someone who is more up on things would know better than I...

Sadly, someone I care about is in the clutches of a shrink, who is " withdrawing "

him in this fashion. The shrink, after doping the poor old man for decades,

first with high amounts of Prozac plus trazedone (?) and then, in recent years,

with Celexa, to which he added Neurontin-For-Everything, recently announced to

this fellow that " at your age, " (75), you " can get into trouble with this drug. "

(Is 75 the magic age, or was it a dangeroud drug at a dangerous dose for the

past decade? )

But, never mind, the shrink said, you can take the Neurontin-for-Everything

virtually forever, with no problems. (Other than the whole basketful of problems

it has already visited on the man.)

Are these out-of-control shrinks totally within the law to damage people this

way? The guy has no office staff, so no one is overseeing what he does, except

his wife, who specializes in children as a shrink herself. The shrink called

this man's home a few weeks ago and left an incoherent garbled message on the

phone. Either he has had a stroke or he is brain-impaired himself by alcohol

and/or drugs. Multiply this poor old man by hundreds of thousands, and the

damage these drug companies and their trained pushers do is astounding. Cate

> >

> > How does one withdraw safely from Celexa? Is it OK to cut the dose in

> half, ie, from 40mg to 20mg daily, and then to 20mg every other day?

> >

>

>

>

> Cate ...............it is not OK to cut the dose of Celexa (citalopram)

> by 50% nor indeed is it ok to cut the dose of any SSRI by a similar %

> ammount.

>

> Neither is it ok to go on from there and do a skip every other day. Some

> of these drugs have a very short half life & the shorter it is the more

> likely one would suffer rapid withdrawal symptoms by yo-yoing on /off

> dose by doing an every other day skip.

>

> If a person plans to withdraw then a gradual tapering is best with step

> cuts of as little as 5 to 10% (of current dose) and no progressing to a

> lower step until one has stabilised at the previous level.

>

> There is no hard and fast rule .............but slow & gradual seems to

> work best

>

>

>

> > Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

>

> In what regard do you mean worse?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, -- I had sort of thought the same myself, but that maybe

someone who is more up on things would know better than I...

Sadly, someone I care about is in the clutches of a shrink, who is " withdrawing "

him in this fashion. The shrink, after doping the poor old man for decades,

first with high amounts of Prozac plus trazedone (?) and then, in recent years,

with Celexa, to which he added Neurontin-For-Everything, recently announced to

this fellow that " at your age, " (75), you " can get into trouble with this drug. "

(Is 75 the magic age, or was it a dangeroud drug at a dangerous dose for the

past decade? )

But, never mind, the shrink said, you can take the Neurontin-for-Everything

virtually forever, with no problems. (Other than the whole basketful of problems

it has already visited on the man.)

Are these out-of-control shrinks totally within the law to damage people this

way? The guy has no office staff, so no one is overseeing what he does, except

his wife, who specializes in children as a shrink herself. The shrink called

this man's home a few weeks ago and left an incoherent garbled message on the

phone. Either he has had a stroke or he is brain-impaired himself by alcohol

and/or drugs. Multiply this poor old man by hundreds of thousands, and the

damage these drug companies and their trained pushers do is astounding. Cate

> >

> > How does one withdraw safely from Celexa? Is it OK to cut the dose in

> half, ie, from 40mg to 20mg daily, and then to 20mg every other day?

> >

>

>

>

> Cate ...............it is not OK to cut the dose of Celexa (citalopram)

> by 50% nor indeed is it ok to cut the dose of any SSRI by a similar %

> ammount.

>

> Neither is it ok to go on from there and do a skip every other day. Some

> of these drugs have a very short half life & the shorter it is the more

> likely one would suffer rapid withdrawal symptoms by yo-yoing on /off

> dose by doing an every other day skip.

>

> If a person plans to withdraw then a gradual tapering is best with step

> cuts of as little as 5 to 10% (of current dose) and no progressing to a

> lower step until one has stabilised at the previous level.

>

> There is no hard and fast rule .............but slow & gradual seems to

> work best

>

>

>

> > Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

>

> In what regard do you mean worse?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

In what regard do you mean worse?

, the shrink apparently told this man that he could " get into trouble at

his age " by continuing to take Celexa. That is why he cut the dose on half, and

then put him on every other day of 20mg. The shrink did not apparently explain,

nor did this trusting man ask, but I believe I have read that Celexa causes

dementia?

So, I was wondering whether Prozac and Paxil and all the others do not have that

effect, or whether any SSRI puts the patient in danger of dementia. The next

question would be, at what exact point in the person's life do they suddenly

become in danger from the SSRI that has been administered for years or even

decades?

Of course, Celexa (and all the other SSRIs) causes all kinds of other damage to

various bodily systems....I just really cannot follow the " logic " of the persons

involved in this psychiatric-drugging scam.

If they just said, 'Hey, there's a lot of money in it for us,' I could

understand. But when they start the convoluted justifications for something that

seems from all evidence not to be justified in any way, I personally end up

trying to avoid the whole medical profession, period. I don't trust what it has

become. I remember a time when doctors knew, and stated, that administering a

drug was a last resort, not a first resort, and seldom prescribed drugs to be

taken " forever. " Cate

[Guest guest]

> Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

In what regard do you mean worse?

, the shrink apparently told this man that he could " get into trouble at

his age " by continuing to take Celexa. That is why he cut the dose on half, and

then put him on every other day of 20mg. The shrink did not apparently explain,

nor did this trusting man ask, but I believe I have read that Celexa causes

dementia?

So, I was wondering whether Prozac and Paxil and all the others do not have that

effect, or whether any SSRI puts the patient in danger of dementia. The next

question would be, at what exact point in the person's life do they suddenly

become in danger from the SSRI that has been administered for years or even

decades?

Of course, Celexa (and all the other SSRIs) causes all kinds of other damage to

various bodily systems....I just really cannot follow the " logic " of the persons

involved in this psychiatric-drugging scam.

If they just said, 'Hey, there's a lot of money in it for us,' I could

understand. But when they start the convoluted justifications for something that

seems from all evidence not to be justified in any way, I personally end up

trying to avoid the whole medical profession, period. I don't trust what it has

become. I remember a time when doctors knew, and stated, that administering a

drug was a last resort, not a first resort, and seldom prescribed drugs to be

taken " forever. " Cate

[Guest guest]

> Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

In what regard do you mean worse?

, the shrink apparently told this man that he could " get into trouble at

his age " by continuing to take Celexa. That is why he cut the dose on half, and

then put him on every other day of 20mg. The shrink did not apparently explain,

nor did this trusting man ask, but I believe I have read that Celexa causes

dementia?

So, I was wondering whether Prozac and Paxil and all the others do not have that

effect, or whether any SSRI puts the patient in danger of dementia. The next

question would be, at what exact point in the person's life do they suddenly

become in danger from the SSRI that has been administered for years or even

decades?

Of course, Celexa (and all the other SSRIs) causes all kinds of other damage to

various bodily systems....I just really cannot follow the " logic " of the persons

involved in this psychiatric-drugging scam.

If they just said, 'Hey, there's a lot of money in it for us,' I could

understand. But when they start the convoluted justifications for something that

seems from all evidence not to be justified in any way, I personally end up

trying to avoid the whole medical profession, period. I don't trust what it has

become. I remember a time when doctors knew, and stated, that administering a

drug was a last resort, not a first resort, and seldom prescribed drugs to be

taken " forever. " Cate

[Guest guest]

> Is Celexa worse for the elderly? More so than any other SSRI?

In what regard do you mean worse?

, the shrink apparently told this man that he could " get into trouble at

his age " by continuing to take Celexa. That is why he cut the dose on half, and

then put him on every other day of 20mg. The shrink did not apparently explain,

nor did this trusting man ask, but I believe I have read that Celexa causes

dementia?

So, I was wondering whether Prozac and Paxil and all the others do not have that

effect, or whether any SSRI puts the patient in danger of dementia. The next

question would be, at what exact point in the person's life do they suddenly

become in danger from the SSRI that has been administered for years or even

decades?

Of course, Celexa (and all the other SSRIs) causes all kinds of other damage to

various bodily systems....I just really cannot follow the " logic " of the persons

involved in this psychiatric-drugging scam.

If they just said, 'Hey, there's a lot of money in it for us,' I could

understand. But when they start the convoluted justifications for something that

seems from all evidence not to be justified in any way, I personally end up

trying to avoid the whole medical profession, period. I don't trust what it has

become. I remember a time when doctors knew, and stated, that administering a

drug was a last resort, not a first resort, and seldom prescribed drugs to be

taken " forever. " Cate