Re: Re: medical neg test case - NHS & psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD

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After our experience with Wyeth and its henchmen, I rarely urge anyone to "sue." Only systemic changes can help, IMO. People think it's a piece of cake to be involved in a lawsuit. It is not. It is a horribly long, painful, unfair process, at least from our POV.Of course, wrongful death suits are totally unlike this type of case. TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jeremy9282" <jeremybryce1953@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:14:48 -0000<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: medical neg test case - NHS psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD "A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder.Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released." This is a very interesting case Terry & one that has the potential to bring repercussions throughout the mental health/illness personality disorder spectrum in the UK.It is very obvious, when you see Paddy Hill in the media that he is badly traumatised & why would he not be having been fitted up by the British establishment !What is clear from the above extracts is that psychiatrists were satisfied that Hill had PTSD (diagnosis) but that they lacked the skills to treat him .............and by extension many others.If Paddy Hill wins his case they will be forced to try & treat him ....................but where on earth are the going to get the skills.?If this goes through, then case law, could, by extension be used to treat other people who were hitherto thought to be untreatable.Psychiatrists not knowing what they are doing ..............further messing up people. Nothing new I hear voices in the background crying, but this is different. Many of those comming out of jail, whilst innocent of the last so called crime, are very seldom innocents abroad. A tinderbox.By the way, when Psychiatrists are forced by case law into an imperative to treat, where do they stop? Where is the bottom line? This is the NHS, it is not Medicaid, therefore there is no financial restriction not to treat.No this case is very dangerous & I hope that Paddy Hill looses, but having watched him from the sidelines for the last 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if he won. Terry: this I hope shows the dangers of random law suits entering into the fields of UK mental health & psychiatric treatment. I hope it goes some way to explain my & others points of view. We have not gone rotten on any supposed cause but seek to point out the limits of hitherto campaigns & the demerits that are clearly making matters worse for the little people. >> Wow. Do you think they'll be successful, ? In the US, I do not believe such a claim would have any merit unless they could first get a diagnosis of full disability and start receiving Social Security Disability payments. Even then they would have to comply with the restrictions on psychiatric care within Medicare which often means meds but little to no counseling. > > Terry > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > medical neg test case - NHS & psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD > > Birmingham Six's Paddy Hill: Life on outside is tougher than jail.. if I > was guilty I'd have got all help I needed > Mar 9 2011 > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2011/03/09/> Annie > Brown > > > > http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-i\ > s-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-86908\ > -22976748/ > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-\ > is-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-8690\ > 8-22976748/> > [paddy hill Image 2] > paddy hill Image 2 > > TRAUMITISED Paddy Hill is still battling for justice - 20 years after he > and the rest of the Birmingham Six won their freedom. > > He is to sue the Government in a test case which could win victims of > legal blunders the right to psychological help. > > Paddy, Hugh Callaghan, Gerard Hunter, McIlkenny, Power > and spent 16 years behind bars after being falsely accused > of two pub bombings which killed 21 people and injured 162 in 1974. > > Now 64, Paddy said: "If you'd told me the day I was getting released I > wouldn't have been able to handle the outside world, I'd have laughed in > your face. > > "I had lived in a war zone of a prison, filled with lunatics and I > thought everything after that would be easy. It wasn't. > > "If anything it was harder." > > > Paddy claims that despite his ordeal, repeated pleas for expert medical > help were ignored by the state. > > He is launching the medical negligence claim jointly with Gerry Conlon, > of the Guildford Four. > > The case has been taken by London law firm Leigh and Co, who will issue > writs in the next few weeks. > > Paddy said: "The Government knew we were badly damaged when we left > prison but they did nothing. We were dumped and left to it. > > "I'm traumatised and I desperately need help. If I'd been guilty I would > have been given as much help as I needed." > [paddy hill Image 3] > He told how he suffered a nervous breakdown a year after prison but his > GP could only offer antidepressants. > > > "I would be sitting in the house and I'd suddenly burst into tears," he > explained. > > "After that would come the anger and mood swings. One minute, I'd be > alright and then it is like someone pulling a blind down and I would be > in bits. > > "All the GPs wanted to do was shovel pills down me. That happens to so > many innocent people who come out of jail but ours is not a pill > problem, it is a mental problem." > > A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the > level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder. > > Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the > Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for > treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released. > > The Miscarriages of Justice Organisation, founded by Paddy, has been > campaigning for years to open a retreat in Scotland where the innocent > could get treatment. But the coalition will not consider the proposal. > > Paddy now lives with his artist wife Tara and her two children in a > farmhouse in Ayrshire. > > He said: "I hope I have been a good husband but I know I would leave me > if I could. Tara has been an amazing wife. I don't know why she lives > with me." > > Gerry, along with Hill, Armstrong and Carole , > was wrongly convicted in 1975 for the IRA's Guildford pub bombing which > killed five and injured 65 people. They were imprisoned for more than 15 > years. Their story was charted in the film In the Name of The Father. > > Gerry's father, Guiseppe, was arrested when he went to England to find > out about his son's arrest and was subsequently convicted of handling > explosives in the Maguire Seven trial. In 1980, Guiseppe died under > police guard in hospital where he had been sent from Wormwood Scrubs > Prison. > > On February 9, 2005, Tony Blair issued an apology and promised Gerry > would get medical help but it never materialised. > > On his release, Paddy was told he was likely to need 10 years of > counselling. > > After years of fighting, the NHS agreed to pay for 20 days of > counselling for Paddy with Edinburgh psychiatrist Professor Gordon > Turnbull, who helped Terry Waite and McCarthy after their hostage > ordeal in Beirut. > > He has also been given a month of treatment at the professor's London > clinic. But Paddy and Prof Turnbull fear it is too little, too late. > > The therapy will start this month but Prof Turnbull says Paddy is one of > the most traumatised people he has come across and believes two months' > treatment will not be enough. > > He said: "Being the victim of a miscarriage of justice in your own > country is very much more traumatic than being a conventional prisoner > or even a hostage." > > Paddy fears the damage he has suffered is now irreparable. > > He said: "I can't see how Turnbull is going to open me up > psychologically and put me back together again in less than two months. > I worry all it will do is unleash demons." > > His s900,000 compensation has all but gone, buying homes for the > children who lost him to jail and to the fight other miscarriages of > justice. March 14 will mark the 20th anniversary of the Birmingham Six's > release. That day in 1991, Paddy addressed the crowds outside court. > > His face contorted in anger, he pointed to the courts, the symbol of a > system which had failed him, and scoffed: "Justice - the people in there > haven't the intelligence nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind > dispense it." > > On Saturday, Paddy and Gerry will speak at an event at the Glasgow Film > Theatre to mark the 20th anniversary. > > Lawyer Gareth Peirce, who has appeared for the Guildford Four and > Birmingham Six, will be there Tickets available from Miscarriages of > Justice Organisation - 0141 418 0152>

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After our experience with Wyeth and its henchmen, I rarely urge anyone to "sue." Only systemic changes can help, IMO. People think it's a piece of cake to be involved in a lawsuit. It is not. It is a horribly long, painful, unfair process, at least from our POV.Of course, wrongful death suits are totally unlike this type of case. TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jeremy9282" <jeremybryce1953@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:14:48 -0000<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: medical neg test case - NHS psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD "A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder.Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released." This is a very interesting case Terry & one that has the potential to bring repercussions throughout the mental health/illness personality disorder spectrum in the UK.It is very obvious, when you see Paddy Hill in the media that he is badly traumatised & why would he not be having been fitted up by the British establishment !What is clear from the above extracts is that psychiatrists were satisfied that Hill had PTSD (diagnosis) but that they lacked the skills to treat him .............and by extension many others.If Paddy Hill wins his case they will be forced to try & treat him ....................but where on earth are the going to get the skills.?If this goes through, then case law, could, by extension be used to treat other people who were hitherto thought to be untreatable.Psychiatrists not knowing what they are doing ..............further messing up people. Nothing new I hear voices in the background crying, but this is different. Many of those comming out of jail, whilst innocent of the last so called crime, are very seldom innocents abroad. A tinderbox.By the way, when Psychiatrists are forced by case law into an imperative to treat, where do they stop? Where is the bottom line? This is the NHS, it is not Medicaid, therefore there is no financial restriction not to treat.No this case is very dangerous & I hope that Paddy Hill looses, but having watched him from the sidelines for the last 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if he won. Terry: this I hope shows the dangers of random law suits entering into the fields of UK mental health & psychiatric treatment. I hope it goes some way to explain my & others points of view. We have not gone rotten on any supposed cause but seek to point out the limits of hitherto campaigns & the demerits that are clearly making matters worse for the little people. >> Wow. Do you think they'll be successful, ? In the US, I do not believe such a claim would have any merit unless they could first get a diagnosis of full disability and start receiving Social Security Disability payments. Even then they would have to comply with the restrictions on psychiatric care within Medicare which often means meds but little to no counseling. > > Terry > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > medical neg test case - NHS & psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD > > Birmingham Six's Paddy Hill: Life on outside is tougher than jail.. if I > was guilty I'd have got all help I needed > Mar 9 2011 > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2011/03/09/> Annie > Brown > > > > http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-i\ > s-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-86908\ > -22976748/ > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-\ > is-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-8690\ > 8-22976748/> > [paddy hill Image 2] > paddy hill Image 2 > > TRAUMITISED Paddy Hill is still battling for justice - 20 years after he > and the rest of the Birmingham Six won their freedom. > > He is to sue the Government in a test case which could win victims of > legal blunders the right to psychological help. > > Paddy, Hugh Callaghan, Gerard Hunter, McIlkenny, Power > and spent 16 years behind bars after being falsely accused > of two pub bombings which killed 21 people and injured 162 in 1974. > > Now 64, Paddy said: "If you'd told me the day I was getting released I > wouldn't have been able to handle the outside world, I'd have laughed in > your face. > > "I had lived in a war zone of a prison, filled with lunatics and I > thought everything after that would be easy. It wasn't. > > "If anything it was harder." > > > Paddy claims that despite his ordeal, repeated pleas for expert medical > help were ignored by the state. > > He is launching the medical negligence claim jointly with Gerry Conlon, > of the Guildford Four. > > The case has been taken by London law firm Leigh and Co, who will issue > writs in the next few weeks. > > Paddy said: "The Government knew we were badly damaged when we left > prison but they did nothing. We were dumped and left to it. > > "I'm traumatised and I desperately need help. If I'd been guilty I would > have been given as much help as I needed." > [paddy hill Image 3] > He told how he suffered a nervous breakdown a year after prison but his > GP could only offer antidepressants. > > > "I would be sitting in the house and I'd suddenly burst into tears," he > explained. > > "After that would come the anger and mood swings. One minute, I'd be > alright and then it is like someone pulling a blind down and I would be > in bits. > > "All the GPs wanted to do was shovel pills down me. That happens to so > many innocent people who come out of jail but ours is not a pill > problem, it is a mental problem." > > A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the > level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder. > > Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the > Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for > treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released. > > The Miscarriages of Justice Organisation, founded by Paddy, has been > campaigning for years to open a retreat in Scotland where the innocent > could get treatment. But the coalition will not consider the proposal. > > Paddy now lives with his artist wife Tara and her two children in a > farmhouse in Ayrshire. > > He said: "I hope I have been a good husband but I know I would leave me > if I could. Tara has been an amazing wife. I don't know why she lives > with me." > > Gerry, along with Hill, Armstrong and Carole , > was wrongly convicted in 1975 for the IRA's Guildford pub bombing which > killed five and injured 65 people. They were imprisoned for more than 15 > years. Their story was charted in the film In the Name of The Father. > > Gerry's father, Guiseppe, was arrested when he went to England to find > out about his son's arrest and was subsequently convicted of handling > explosives in the Maguire Seven trial. In 1980, Guiseppe died under > police guard in hospital where he had been sent from Wormwood Scrubs > Prison. > > On February 9, 2005, Tony Blair issued an apology and promised Gerry > would get medical help but it never materialised. > > On his release, Paddy was told he was likely to need 10 years of > counselling. > > After years of fighting, the NHS agreed to pay for 20 days of > counselling for Paddy with Edinburgh psychiatrist Professor Gordon > Turnbull, who helped Terry Waite and McCarthy after their hostage > ordeal in Beirut. > > He has also been given a month of treatment at the professor's London > clinic. But Paddy and Prof Turnbull fear it is too little, too late. > > The therapy will start this month but Prof Turnbull says Paddy is one of > the most traumatised people he has come across and believes two months' > treatment will not be enough. > > He said: "Being the victim of a miscarriage of justice in your own > country is very much more traumatic than being a conventional prisoner > or even a hostage." > > Paddy fears the damage he has suffered is now irreparable. > > He said: "I can't see how Turnbull is going to open me up > psychologically and put me back together again in less than two months. > I worry all it will do is unleash demons." > > His s900,000 compensation has all but gone, buying homes for the > children who lost him to jail and to the fight other miscarriages of > justice. March 14 will mark the 20th anniversary of the Birmingham Six's > release. That day in 1991, Paddy addressed the crowds outside court. > > His face contorted in anger, he pointed to the courts, the symbol of a > system which had failed him, and scoffed: "Justice - the people in there > haven't the intelligence nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind > dispense it." > > On Saturday, Paddy and Gerry will speak at an event at the Glasgow Film > Theatre to mark the 20th anniversary. > > Lawyer Gareth Peirce, who has appeared for the Guildford Four and > Birmingham Six, will be there Tickets available from Miscarriages of > Justice Organisation - 0141 418 0152>

[Guest guest]

After our experience with Wyeth and its henchmen, I rarely urge anyone to "sue." Only systemic changes can help, IMO. People think it's a piece of cake to be involved in a lawsuit. It is not. It is a horribly long, painful, unfair process, at least from our POV.Of course, wrongful death suits are totally unlike this type of case. TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jeremy9282" <jeremybryce1953@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:14:48 -0000<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: medical neg test case - NHS psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD "A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder.Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released." This is a very interesting case Terry & one that has the potential to bring repercussions throughout the mental health/illness personality disorder spectrum in the UK.It is very obvious, when you see Paddy Hill in the media that he is badly traumatised & why would he not be having been fitted up by the British establishment !What is clear from the above extracts is that psychiatrists were satisfied that Hill had PTSD (diagnosis) but that they lacked the skills to treat him .............and by extension many others.If Paddy Hill wins his case they will be forced to try & treat him ....................but where on earth are the going to get the skills.?If this goes through, then case law, could, by extension be used to treat other people who were hitherto thought to be untreatable.Psychiatrists not knowing what they are doing ..............further messing up people. Nothing new I hear voices in the background crying, but this is different. Many of those comming out of jail, whilst innocent of the last so called crime, are very seldom innocents abroad. A tinderbox.By the way, when Psychiatrists are forced by case law into an imperative to treat, where do they stop? Where is the bottom line? This is the NHS, it is not Medicaid, therefore there is no financial restriction not to treat.No this case is very dangerous & I hope that Paddy Hill looses, but having watched him from the sidelines for the last 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if he won. Terry: this I hope shows the dangers of random law suits entering into the fields of UK mental health & psychiatric treatment. I hope it goes some way to explain my & others points of view. We have not gone rotten on any supposed cause but seek to point out the limits of hitherto campaigns & the demerits that are clearly making matters worse for the little people. >> Wow. Do you think they'll be successful, ? In the US, I do not believe such a claim would have any merit unless they could first get a diagnosis of full disability and start receiving Social Security Disability payments. Even then they would have to comply with the restrictions on psychiatric care within Medicare which often means meds but little to no counseling. > > Terry > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > medical neg test case - NHS & psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD > > Birmingham Six's Paddy Hill: Life on outside is tougher than jail.. if I > was guilty I'd have got all help I needed > Mar 9 2011 > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2011/03/09/> Annie > Brown > > > > http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-i\ > s-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-86908\ > -22976748/ > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-\ > is-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-8690\ > 8-22976748/> > [paddy hill Image 2] > paddy hill Image 2 > > TRAUMITISED Paddy Hill is still battling for justice - 20 years after he > and the rest of the Birmingham Six won their freedom. > > He is to sue the Government in a test case which could win victims of > legal blunders the right to psychological help. > > Paddy, Hugh Callaghan, Gerard Hunter, McIlkenny, Power > and spent 16 years behind bars after being falsely accused > of two pub bombings which killed 21 people and injured 162 in 1974. > > Now 64, Paddy said: "If you'd told me the day I was getting released I > wouldn't have been able to handle the outside world, I'd have laughed in > your face. > > "I had lived in a war zone of a prison, filled with lunatics and I > thought everything after that would be easy. It wasn't. > > "If anything it was harder." > > > Paddy claims that despite his ordeal, repeated pleas for expert medical > help were ignored by the state. > > He is launching the medical negligence claim jointly with Gerry Conlon, > of the Guildford Four. > > The case has been taken by London law firm Leigh and Co, who will issue > writs in the next few weeks. > > Paddy said: "The Government knew we were badly damaged when we left > prison but they did nothing. We were dumped and left to it. > > "I'm traumatised and I desperately need help. If I'd been guilty I would > have been given as much help as I needed." > [paddy hill Image 3] > He told how he suffered a nervous breakdown a year after prison but his > GP could only offer antidepressants. > > > "I would be sitting in the house and I'd suddenly burst into tears," he > explained. > > "After that would come the anger and mood swings. One minute, I'd be > alright and then it is like someone pulling a blind down and I would be > in bits. > > "All the GPs wanted to do was shovel pills down me. That happens to so > many innocent people who come out of jail but ours is not a pill > problem, it is a mental problem." > > A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the > level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder. > > Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the > Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for > treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released. > > The Miscarriages of Justice Organisation, founded by Paddy, has been > campaigning for years to open a retreat in Scotland where the innocent > could get treatment. But the coalition will not consider the proposal. > > Paddy now lives with his artist wife Tara and her two children in a > farmhouse in Ayrshire. > > He said: "I hope I have been a good husband but I know I would leave me > if I could. Tara has been an amazing wife. I don't know why she lives > with me." > > Gerry, along with Hill, Armstrong and Carole , > was wrongly convicted in 1975 for the IRA's Guildford pub bombing which > killed five and injured 65 people. They were imprisoned for more than 15 > years. Their story was charted in the film In the Name of The Father. > > Gerry's father, Guiseppe, was arrested when he went to England to find > out about his son's arrest and was subsequently convicted of handling > explosives in the Maguire Seven trial. In 1980, Guiseppe died under > police guard in hospital where he had been sent from Wormwood Scrubs > Prison. > > On February 9, 2005, Tony Blair issued an apology and promised Gerry > would get medical help but it never materialised. > > On his release, Paddy was told he was likely to need 10 years of > counselling. > > After years of fighting, the NHS agreed to pay for 20 days of > counselling for Paddy with Edinburgh psychiatrist Professor Gordon > Turnbull, who helped Terry Waite and McCarthy after their hostage > ordeal in Beirut. > > He has also been given a month of treatment at the professor's London > clinic. But Paddy and Prof Turnbull fear it is too little, too late. > > The therapy will start this month but Prof Turnbull says Paddy is one of > the most traumatised people he has come across and believes two months' > treatment will not be enough. > > He said: "Being the victim of a miscarriage of justice in your own > country is very much more traumatic than being a conventional prisoner > or even a hostage." > > Paddy fears the damage he has suffered is now irreparable. > > He said: "I can't see how Turnbull is going to open me up > psychologically and put me back together again in less than two months. > I worry all it will do is unleash demons." > > His s900,000 compensation has all but gone, buying homes for the > children who lost him to jail and to the fight other miscarriages of > justice. March 14 will mark the 20th anniversary of the Birmingham Six's > release. That day in 1991, Paddy addressed the crowds outside court. > > His face contorted in anger, he pointed to the courts, the symbol of a > system which had failed him, and scoffed: "Justice - the people in there > haven't the intelligence nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind > dispense it." > > On Saturday, Paddy and Gerry will speak at an event at the Glasgow Film > Theatre to mark the 20th anniversary. > > Lawyer Gareth Peirce, who has appeared for the Guildford Four and > Birmingham Six, will be there Tickets available from Miscarriages of > Justice Organisation - 0141 418 0152>

[Guest guest]

After our experience with Wyeth and its henchmen, I rarely urge anyone to "sue." Only systemic changes can help, IMO. People think it's a piece of cake to be involved in a lawsuit. It is not. It is a horribly long, painful, unfair process, at least from our POV.Of course, wrongful death suits are totally unlike this type of case. TerrySent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "jeremy9282" <jeremybryce1953@...>Sender: SSRI medications Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:14:48 -0000<SSRI medications >Reply SSRI medications Subject: Re: medical neg test case - NHS psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD "A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder.Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released." This is a very interesting case Terry & one that has the potential to bring repercussions throughout the mental health/illness personality disorder spectrum in the UK.It is very obvious, when you see Paddy Hill in the media that he is badly traumatised & why would he not be having been fitted up by the British establishment !What is clear from the above extracts is that psychiatrists were satisfied that Hill had PTSD (diagnosis) but that they lacked the skills to treat him .............and by extension many others.If Paddy Hill wins his case they will be forced to try & treat him ....................but where on earth are the going to get the skills.?If this goes through, then case law, could, by extension be used to treat other people who were hitherto thought to be untreatable.Psychiatrists not knowing what they are doing ..............further messing up people. Nothing new I hear voices in the background crying, but this is different. Many of those comming out of jail, whilst innocent of the last so called crime, are very seldom innocents abroad. A tinderbox.By the way, when Psychiatrists are forced by case law into an imperative to treat, where do they stop? Where is the bottom line? This is the NHS, it is not Medicaid, therefore there is no financial restriction not to treat.No this case is very dangerous & I hope that Paddy Hill looses, but having watched him from the sidelines for the last 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if he won. Terry: this I hope shows the dangers of random law suits entering into the fields of UK mental health & psychiatric treatment. I hope it goes some way to explain my & others points of view. We have not gone rotten on any supposed cause but seek to point out the limits of hitherto campaigns & the demerits that are clearly making matters worse for the little people. >> Wow. Do you think they'll be successful, ? In the US, I do not believe such a claim would have any merit unless they could first get a diagnosis of full disability and start receiving Social Security Disability payments. Even then they would have to comply with the restrictions on psychiatric care within Medicare which often means meds but little to no counseling. > > Terry > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > medical neg test case - NHS & psychiatry for failure to treat PTSD > > Birmingham Six's Paddy Hill: Life on outside is tougher than jail.. if I > was guilty I'd have got all help I needed > Mar 9 2011 > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2011/03/09/> Annie > Brown > > > > http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-i\ > s-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-86908\ > -22976748/ > <http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/03/09/life-on-outside-\ > is-tougher-than-jail-if-i-was-guilty-i-d-have-got-all-help-i-needed-8690\ > 8-22976748/> > [paddy hill Image 2] > paddy hill Image 2 > > TRAUMITISED Paddy Hill is still battling for justice - 20 years after he > and the rest of the Birmingham Six won their freedom. > > He is to sue the Government in a test case which could win victims of > legal blunders the right to psychological help. > > Paddy, Hugh Callaghan, Gerard Hunter, McIlkenny, Power > and spent 16 years behind bars after being falsely accused > of two pub bombings which killed 21 people and injured 162 in 1974. > > Now 64, Paddy said: "If you'd told me the day I was getting released I > wouldn't have been able to handle the outside world, I'd have laughed in > your face. > > "I had lived in a war zone of a prison, filled with lunatics and I > thought everything after that would be easy. It wasn't. > > "If anything it was harder." > > > Paddy claims that despite his ordeal, repeated pleas for expert medical > help were ignored by the state. > > He is launching the medical negligence claim jointly with Gerry Conlon, > of the Guildford Four. > > The case has been taken by London law firm Leigh and Co, who will issue > writs in the next few weeks. > > Paddy said: "The Government knew we were badly damaged when we left > prison but they did nothing. We were dumped and left to it. > > "I'm traumatised and I desperately need help. If I'd been guilty I would > have been given as much help as I needed." > [paddy hill Image 3] > He told how he suffered a nervous breakdown a year after prison but his > GP could only offer antidepressants. > > > "I would be sitting in the house and I'd suddenly burst into tears," he > explained. > > "After that would come the anger and mood swings. One minute, I'd be > alright and then it is like someone pulling a blind down and I would be > in bits. > > "All the GPs wanted to do was shovel pills down me. That happens to so > many innocent people who come out of jail but ours is not a pill > problem, it is a mental problem." > > A stream of NHS psychiatrists told Paddy that they did not have the > level of skill to tackle his level of post-traumatic stress disorder. > > Now Paddy and Gerry hope that if their case is successful, the > Government will be forced to provide funding to send victims for > treatment by experts in trauma as soon as they are released. > > The Miscarriages of Justice Organisation, founded by Paddy, has been > campaigning for years to open a retreat in Scotland where the innocent > could get treatment. But the coalition will not consider the proposal. > > Paddy now lives with his artist wife Tara and her two children in a > farmhouse in Ayrshire. > > He said: "I hope I have been a good husband but I know I would leave me > if I could. Tara has been an amazing wife. I don't know why she lives > with me." > > Gerry, along with Hill, Armstrong and Carole , > was wrongly convicted in 1975 for the IRA's Guildford pub bombing which > killed five and injured 65 people. They were imprisoned for more than 15 > years. Their story was charted in the film In the Name of The Father. > > Gerry's father, Guiseppe, was arrested when he went to England to find > out about his son's arrest and was subsequently convicted of handling > explosives in the Maguire Seven trial. In 1980, Guiseppe died under > police guard in hospital where he had been sent from Wormwood Scrubs > Prison. > > On February 9, 2005, Tony Blair issued an apology and promised Gerry > would get medical help but it never materialised. > > On his release, Paddy was told he was likely to need 10 years of > counselling. > > After years of fighting, the NHS agreed to pay for 20 days of > counselling for Paddy with Edinburgh psychiatrist Professor Gordon > Turnbull, who helped Terry Waite and McCarthy after their hostage > ordeal in Beirut. > > He has also been given a month of treatment at the professor's London > clinic. But Paddy and Prof Turnbull fear it is too little, too late. > > The therapy will start this month but Prof Turnbull says Paddy is one of > the most traumatised people he has come across and believes two months' > treatment will not be enough. > > He said: "Being the victim of a miscarriage of justice in your own > country is very much more traumatic than being a conventional prisoner > or even a hostage." > > Paddy fears the damage he has suffered is now irreparable. > > He said: "I can't see how Turnbull is going to open me up > psychologically and put me back together again in less than two months. > I worry all it will do is unleash demons." > > His s900,000 compensation has all but gone, buying homes for the > children who lost him to jail and to the fight other miscarriages of > justice. March 14 will mark the 20th anniversary of the Birmingham Six's > release. That day in 1991, Paddy addressed the crowds outside court. > > His face contorted in anger, he pointed to the courts, the symbol of a > system which had failed him, and scoffed: "Justice - the people in there > haven't the intelligence nor the honesty to spell the word, never mind > dispense it." > > On Saturday, Paddy and Gerry will speak at an event at the Glasgow Film > Theatre to mark the 20th anniversary. > > Lawyer Gareth Peirce, who has appeared for the Guildford Four and > Birmingham Six, will be there Tickets available from Miscarriages of > Justice Organisation - 0141 418 0152>