correction - original post was very wide off the mark

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Today we have a different picture unfortunately!

Posted by Maddock at 03:56

Hopefully, there will be more worldwide protests against forced electroshock this year. I hope we will have more people taking to the streets! Real change comes from the bottom up!"We are meeting at the frontlineDo we have to go to warAll we want is change, a new wayAll we want is LOVE not force" Alchemy on the wards.I'm afraid it is now perfectly clear. The Boyle/Norris/De Burca Bill was simple: delete 59.b and replace with an ECT clause requiring consent in all cases.Bacik and Prendergast gutted this with an alternative Govt-driven amendment:In page 3, before section 2, to insert the following new section:2.--Section 59 of the Mental Health Act 2001 is amended in subsection (1)( by the deletion of "or unwilling".This the one which prevailed, leaving this wording of the Section:59.—(1) A programme of electro-convulsive therapy shall not be administered to a patient unless either—(a) the patient gives his or her consent in writing to the administration of the programme of therapy, or( where the patient is unable to give such consent —(i) the programme of therapy is approved (in a form specified by the Commission) by the consultant psychiatrist responsible for the care and treatment of the patient, and(ii) the programme of therapy is also authorised (in a form specified by the Commission) by another consultant psychiatrist following referral of the matter to him or her by the first-mentioned psychiatrist.(2) The Commission shall make rules providing for the use of electro-convulsive therapy and a programme of electro-convulsive therapy shall not be administered to a patient except in accordance with such rules.In which case, the consultant simply declares the patient unable and, after the old Compliant Colleague Two-Step, shocks. (That's if the Dail confirms this change... literally another day's work...)See here: http://debates.oireachtas.ie/seanad/2... Basil Wellbeing Foundation

> > >> > >> > > Posted By: Maddock> > > Members in Stop the forceful use of Electro Convulsive 'Therapy'> > >> > >> > > Good News from Ireland!> > >> > > My Mental Health (Involuntary Procedures) Amendment Bill,> controlling> > > the use of electro-convulsive therapy (ECT) passes all stages in The> > > ad today, in probably the last act of the 23rd ad. I'd like> to> > > think I've done some good. Dan Boyle (Green Party)> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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Texas has "living wills" or "advanced directives" that should

carry the weight of law though not tested in court yet as far as I

know. These are documents previously written up to exclude or

include treatments the person would want if incapacitated. Do you

know if such a thing exists in Ireland, if so it might be a shield

for forced shock. Obviously shock should be simply thrown out if

possible.

Jim

On 3/25/2011 9:40 AM, jeremy9282 wrote:

Today we have a different picture unfortunately!

Posted by Maddock at 03:56

Hopefully, there will be more

worldwide protests against forced electroshock this year. I hope

we will have more people taking to the streets! Real change

comes from the bottom up!

"We are meeting at the frontline

Do we have to go to war

All we want is change, a new way

All we want is LOVE not force" Alchemy on the wards.

I'm afraid it is now perfectly clear. The Boyle/Norris/De Burca

Bill was simple: delete 59.b and replace with an ECT clause

requiring consent in all cases.

Bacik and Prendergast gutted this with an alternative

Govt-driven amendment:

In page 3, before section 2, to insert the following new

section:

2.--Section 59 of the Mental Health Act 2001 is amended in

subsection (1)( by the deletion of "or unwilling".

This the one which prevailed, leaving this wording of the

Section:

59.—(1) A programme of electro-convulsive therapy shall not be

administered to a patient unless either—

(a) the patient gives his or her consent in writing to the

administration of the programme of therapy, or

( where the patient is unable to give such consent —

(i) the programme of therapy is approved (in a form specified by

the Commission) by the consultant psychiatrist responsible for

the care and treatment of the patient, and

(ii) the programme of therapy is also authorised (in a form

specified by the Commission) by another consultant psychiatrist

following referral of the matter to him or her by the

first-mentioned psychiatrist.

(2) The Commission shall make rules providing for the use of

electro-convulsive therapy and a programme of electro-convulsive

therapy shall not be administered to a patient except in

accordance with such rules.

In which case, the consultant simply declares the patient unable

and, after the old Compliant Colleague Two-Step, shocks. (That's

if the Dail confirms this change... literally another day's

work...)

See here: http://debates.oireachtas.ie/seanad/2...

Basil Wellbeing Foundation

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted By: Maddock

> > > Members in Stop the forceful use of Electro

Convulsive 'Therapy'

> > >

> > >

> > > Good News from Ireland!

> > >

> > > My Mental Health (Involuntary Procedures)

Amendment Bill,

> controlling

> > > the use of electro-convulsive therapy (ECT)

passes all stages in The

> > > ad today, in probably the last act of the

23rd ad. I'd like

> to

> > > think I've done some good. Dan Boyle (Green

Party)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>