Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 But consider this...he gets injured by his choice of " occupation " and can never work again...Does that mean those of us who are opposed to his right to be tossed HAVE TO pay for his care with welfare and other government programs like medicaid and medicare? Long term care and supportive services get very expensive...My son's last pair of prosthetics cost $13,500 and he is only five. An adult friend was disabled ina car wreck and is in a wheelchair..A van to transport her will cost well over $30,000 to convert. There are other considerations to think about. apryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 I don't know what to think of it. If the guy wants to be tossed, so be it...but it can also give little people a bad name. That's just my two cents into the whole deal. --- <poofoo_cutie@...> wrote: > > Hey! > > My opinion is: If this guy wants tossed, toss him > till the cows came > home!(hehehehe!) I mean, If he wants to risk > possibly injuring himself, > LET HIM!!! He'll learn!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Life is love, Love is beautiful, inturn, Life is > beautiful " > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 12/6/2001 11:48:23 PM Central Standard Time, vondoggie.1@... writes: > <Politics are fine, but chosing for others just because you have an > agenda...I don't think that is what we stand for as Americans.> Actually, that's exactly what America is about: The will of the majority within the framework of the Constitution. <It seems to me, Abolishing slavery was a good thing...stopping all African > Americans from being domestics as a form of income...not a good idea...one > changes the whole point of freedom at that.> Slavery was aboliished because a very vocal group of Yankees chose to assert their beliefs on Southern land holders. They definitely had an agenda, which resulted in the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. You can carry it further into the Civil Rights Movement. While practicing segregation within their own school systems (e.g., the city of Boston), the North imposed integration in southern schools. (e.g., Little Rock, AK.) The only laws passed of which I am aware pertaining to Black employment is equal pay and affirmative action. > <Where it may be detrimental to the whole movement, it is still the single > individual right of the human being...not to be turned into a law because > of appearence. Don't we have the right to pursue happiness and prosperity?> > " Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness " are values stated in the Declaration of Independence, which is not a law. Nowhere are these guaranteed within the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land. If they were, both the death penalty and abortion would be banned. <That would have to change for some dwarfs if LPA has their way and changes the > law because of appearence...I thought that we were all individuals with the > right, not by virtue of dwarfism, but by virtue of being human, to pursue > our dreams no matter how weird they seem to rest of society...as long as we > don't harm others directly....> Quite a few laws cover personal harm as well. Suicide is illegal (assisted and otherwise) in most states, so are drugs. There are intervention laws for the mentally ill, restrictions on alcohol and pornography, etc. The purpose of Law is to protect and support that society; it also establishes a framework or mutual respect and protection within which its members can peaceably co-exist. If one group within that society is denigrated or exploited based on its differences from the norm, such as with dwarf tossing, then government is obligated by either federal or state constitutional mandate to intervene. That's the way the system works. It might not be perfect, but it is from this fundamental principle upon which rests the legality of the ADA laws. And is there anyone who would exchange its benefits for the right to be tossed across a bar by a bunch of drunks? luthien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Luthien, I would just like to tell you that I really appreciate the way you responded to my original post with a non-personal, very intelligent, and well thought out counterpoint! :-) Bravo for your point of view and thanks for the discussion. May you set an example for others. Mind you, I still think it a personal choice for one to be a in a contest; but your points are very good " meat " to chew on. :-) Sincerely, Willow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 Hi Irene, I agree completely with what you said. I sat and watched the brief message that was on 20/20. I can't believe what damage could be done in a short 5 minutes! Angelea and were Fantastic, calm and clear. I was very disappointed by Stossel. I have watched 20/20 for years and what a big disappointment it was to me last night. I lost my respect for Stossel last night. ~Patti~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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