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Dear Laurie,

Thanks for letting us know about your travel and work abroad always broadens

one's horizons. It was interesting to note your comments re your husbands P

and you wish to have children, I was on mtx and was warned re the effects on

pregnancy and I stopped the mtx and took an alternative treatment- a combo

therapy.

So speaking from a male point of view ( I think there are many more female

subscribers here than male) your husband DOES NOT have to suffer from P just

because you both want children and speak to your doctor to find an

alternative as with the return of the P this escalates into lower self

esteem etc. What worried me is that no one could tell me when it was safe to

have children after mtx, is it 3 months, 6 months, as I believe that there

is no test to see the levels of mtx in your system and I was not prepared to

take the risk, personally or for my partner.

We have a wonderful 2 year old now and we live near to the border between

France and Italy and all she eats is Pasta!!! Italy is a great country,

albeit with many faults but the people are great and the food superb. We are

visiting the states In November to see friends in Miami and I have found a

great flight on the net, Nice-Milan -Miami with AlItalia and we are looking

forward to the food on the plane

Take care

Gillian,

just thought I would slip a message here for you as I have limited time at

the moment, how is Hermes and was he on the scene at the medical

emergency??talking of hospitals abroad we had an incident here in France

where a child went thru a glass window badly cutting his knee open, the

English parents wanted to bundle him in the car and take him to hospital, we

advised to wait for the ambulance(SAMU) and the 3 scruffiest unshaven men

arrived, the parents paniced but the treament was excellent, I followed the

ambulance with the parents in a car and was told by the ambulance crew to

stay to their bumper so we went on a roller coaster ride, two tones and

flashing lights etc. The child was diabetic as well but there went into

emergency straight away and was stiched and out within 2 hours after x rays

etc. The parents were amazed as in the Uk you would have a long wait, if not

left on a trolley

and it cost them nothing, god bless the E.U!!

Talking of pregnancy our child was conceived during a trip to Ireland whilst

we were staying in Crosshaven after a night on the Guinness.. we have

advised our friends trying for children to go there and taste a Guinness

fresh from the Liffe.....

Take care

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Thanks!! The rheumy told us, a safe time to conceive was 3 or 4 months

after stopping MTX, the OB said 5-6 months. We had just about reached our

" prime " time, but now with this development, I'm really hesitant. I just

don't see how we could have another child at this point in time, when we

don't know if he will walk comfortably again. I'm even worrying about his

going back to work. He's had two half days and then today stayed home. Oh

well. One thing at a time. If another child is meant to be, it will

happen!!

Laurie

Moderator note: My RD and OB both recommended we wait 3 months after stopping

MTX before trying to conceive. If it makes you feel any better, the drug

monograph (I think you can read it at rxlist.com) recommends women stopping MTX

wait 1 month, and men stopping MTX wait 3 months, after the final dose before

attempting to conceive. I dont' know definitively why the difference exists,

but I think it might relate to the fact the men produce sperm on an ongoing

basis; since theoretically MTX " messes with " cell division, the risk would be

greater that a man's sperm production would be affected by MTX. Since women are

born with all the eggs they'll ever have, egg production wouldn't be as affected

as sperm production.

That's purely conjecture on my part, of course. I'd definitely get comfortable

with the timing with your doc. This is not a easy road, from one who is walking

it right along with you. Patty PHDRWD@...

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>Dear Laurie,

>Thanks for letting us know about your travel and work abroad always

broadens

>one's horizons. It was interesting to note your comments re your husbands P

>and you wish to have children, I was on mtx and was warned re the effects

on

>pregnancy and I stopped the mtx and took an alternative treatment- a combo

>therapy.

>So speaking from a male point of view ( I think there are many more female

>subscribers here than male) your husband DOES NOT have to suffer from P

just

>because you both want children and speak to your doctor to find an

>alternative as with the return of the P this escalates into lower self

>esteem etc. What worried me is that no one could tell me when it was safe

to

>have children after mtx, is it 3 months, 6 months, as I believe that there

>is no test to see the levels of mtx in your system and I was not prepared

to

>take the risk, personally or for my partner.

>We have a wonderful 2 year old now and we live near to the border between

>France and Italy and all she eats is Pasta!!! Italy is a great country,

>albeit with many faults but the people are great and the food superb. We

are

>visiting the states In November to see friends in Miami and I have found a

>great flight on the net, Nice-Milan -Miami with AlItalia and we are looking

>forward to the food on the plane

>Take care

>

>Gillian,

>just thought I would slip a message here for you as I have limited time at

>the moment, how is Hermes and was he on the scene at the medical

>emergency??talking of hospitals abroad we had an incident here in France

>where a child went thru a glass window badly cutting his knee open, the

>English parents wanted to bundle him in the car and take him to hospital,

we

>advised to wait for the ambulance(SAMU) and the 3 scruffiest unshaven men

>arrived, the parents paniced but the treament was excellent, I followed the

>ambulance with the parents in a car and was told by the ambulance crew to

>stay to their bumper so we went on a roller coaster ride, two tones and

>flashing lights etc. The child was diabetic as well but there went into

>emergency straight away and was stiched and out within 2 hours after x rays

>etc. The parents were amazed as in the Uk you would have a long wait, if

not

>left on a trolley

>and it cost them nothing, god bless the E.U!!

>Talking of pregnancy our child was conceived during a trip to Ireland

whilst

>we were staying in Crosshaven after a night on the Guinness.. we have

>advised our friends trying for children to go there and taste a Guinness

>fresh from the Liffe.....

>Take care

>

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Thank you. I meant if there are some doctors using this method, to

correspond. It's for a friend and his relatives don't speak english.

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> The pope

> Liz

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Thank you. Could you tell me how to contact him?

My friend had and is going to have again chemiotherapy, could he start the

treatment?

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> Dr Panfili is the Pope's doctor and he does Dr 's programme.

>

> Liz

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I heard about Dr Panfili from the Icelandic site www.drhuldaclark.org I think,

but they have taken the mention of him off now. Usually the local library

carries a register of doctors in the country. Or the phone book or local post

office in Rome.No-one in Italy on Dr 's list

Maybe they are Catholic in Iceland and had inside knowledge. Ask your local

Cardinal.

If your friend is having chemo, try to get Sam's formula as a buffer see

www.cat007.com as the case histories show little bad effects of chemo if the

high doses of echinacea and multi minerals and vitamins are taken as well. The

supplier in Europe is www.oradix.com I think.

Liz

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HI,

Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome and

the Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten free

food in Italian?

Thanks so much for your help,

Angelika

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It's far easier to eat GF in restaurants in Italy than in San Francisco, in my experience. Snacks, lunch-on-the-run -- that's a bit difficult, when others are grabbing panini and pizza.

There is an Italian celiacs association that you could track down on-line. I no longer have the address.

Here are a couple of versions of requests; I've lost the adaptations I made to them. You can buy pre-made cards (from Triumph?). I printed up a few versions of requests I found on-line in two or three sizes of fonts, and had several of them laminated so I'd always have one with me, even if it had to go in my pocket. Actually, the statement, "non-glutine" was always adequate.

I recall that I showed different versions to a waiter who spoke English well and who was not at all in a hurry. I asked him which version was easiest for the kitchen to understand, and I used that one from then on. I'm sorry I don't remember how it read.

Enjoy your trip!

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Sono

affetta da CELIACHIA (COELIAC) cioe' sono intollerante al glutine e devo

seguire una dieta assolutamente priva di glutine e di tutti i suoi derivati.

Quindi

qualsiasi cibo contenente farina di grano, orzo, segale e avena puo' causarmi

gravi malori.

Posso

mangiare cibi contenente riso granturco, patate, qualiasi verdura e frutta,

uova, formaggio, latte, carne e pesce purche' questi non siano stati preparati

con aggiuna di farina, pane grattugiato o salsa legata con farina o pastella

fatta con farina.

Grazie!

Sono

allergica al glutine. Non posso

mangiare cibi preparati con grano, segale, orzo, avena e tutti i loro derivati:

dunque tutto ciò che contiene farina, pane, pasta, semolino, o che contiene

"aromi naturali".

Sono

permessi mais e amido di mais, riso, patate e fecola di patate, legumi, carne,

frutta e verdure, purché siano preparati senza usare derivati dei cereali

proibiti.

Grazie!

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Subject: [ ] Italy

HI,

Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome and

the Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten free

food in Italian?

Thanks so much for your help,

Angelika

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Get Gluten Free Restaurant Cards from celiactravel.com. Information about gluten in food should be very clear, so I wouldn't try just to memorize something.HI,

Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome and

the Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten free

food in Italian?

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Hi Angelika,

Check out this website for information on eating gluten free in Italy:

http://www.celiachia.it/afcristoratori/892424en.asp

Apparently you can call from anywhere in the country, give your location, and

the operator will tell you, in English or Italian, where the nearest gluten free

restaurants are. Also, the website has a link to a map of the country listing

hundreds of gluten free restaurants. One of the links on the website shows you

a sticker that is in the window of pizzerias in Italy (and also Germany) that

serve gf pizza.

" Bisogno mangiare cibo senza glutino, per favore " means " I need to eat food

without gluten, please, " or you could just say " senza glutino? " (without

gluten?). " Sono celiaca " means " I am a celiac. "

Since gluten free food is covered by health insurance in Italy, people purchase

gluten free food at " farmacias " (pharmacies). I'm not sure if it's also

available at regular supermarkets or not, but farmacias are easy to find.

I spoke with Dr. Alessio Fassano at the Stanford Celiac Conference about the

availability of gf food in Italy; he said my family and I are going to love it

because it's so much better, and so much more widely available, than here.

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Angelika Kasten [akasten1@...]

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:17 PM

Subject: [ ] Italy

HI,

Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome and

the Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten free

food in Italian?

Thanks so much for your help,

Angelika

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What a cool service. I hope it doesn't just cover more expensive venues. HogleFreelance academic librarianInstructor, online researchEmail: jjhogle@...Web: (under de- and re-construction) www.blueroom.comReality ain't what you think it isArt Graphics & Photographs[http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm]From: "Palmer, " <palmer@...>" " < >Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:13:34 AMSubject: RE: [ ] Italy

Hi Angelika,Check out this website for information on eating gluten free in Italy:http://www.celiachia.it/afcristoratori/892424en.aspApparently you can call from anywhere in the country, give your location, and the operator will tell you, in English or Italian, where the nearest gluten free restaurants are. Also, the website has a link to a map of the country listing hundreds of gluten free restaurants. One of the links on the website shows you a sticker that is in the window of pizzerias in Italy (and also Germany) that serve gf pizza."Bisogno mangiare cibo senza glutino, per favore" means "I need to eat food without gluten, please," or you could just say "senza glutino?" (without gluten?). "Sono celiaca" means "I am a celiac."Since gluten free food is covered by health insurance in Italy, people

purchase gluten free food at "farmacias" (pharmacies). I'm not sure if it's also available at regular supermarkets or not, but farmacias are easy to find.I spoke with Dr. Alessio Fassano at the Stanford Celiac Conference about the availability of gf food in Italy; he said my family and I are going to love it because it's so much better, and so much more widely available, than here.________________________________________From: [ ] On Behalf Of Angelika Kasten [akasten1@...]Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: [ ] ItalyHI,Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome andthe Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten freefood in Italian?Thanks so much for your help,Angelika------------------------------------

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Apparently the caller has three options: expensive restaurants, trattorias, or

pizzerias. :)

Agreed--how cool.

--lp

palmer@...

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j. hogle [jjhogle@...]

Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Italy

What a cool service. I hope it doesn't just cover more expensive venues.

Hogle

Freelance academic librarian

Instructor, online research

Email: jjhogle@...

Web: (under de- and re-construction) www.blueroom.com<http://www.blueroom.com>

<http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm>

Reality ain't what you think it is<http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm>

Art Graphics & Photographs

[http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm]

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" " < >

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Hi Angelika,

Check out this website for information on eating gluten free in Italy:

http://www.celiachia.it/afcristoratori/892424en.asp

Apparently you can call from anywhere in the country, give your location, and

the operator will tell you, in English or Italian, where the nearest gluten free

restaurants are. Also, the website has a link to a map of the country listing

hundreds of gluten free restaurants. One of the links on the website shows you

a sticker that is in the window of pizzerias in Italy (and also Germany) that

serve gf pizza.

" Bisogno mangiare cibo senza glutino, per favore " means " I need to eat food

without gluten, please, " or you could just say " senza glutino? " (without

gluten?). " Sono celiaca " means " I am a celiac. "

Since gluten free food is covered by health insurance in Italy, people purchase

gluten free food at " farmacias " (pharmacies). I'm not sure if it's also

available at regular supermarkets or not, but farmacias are easy to find.

I spoke with Dr. Alessio Fassano at the Stanford Celiac Conference about the

availability of gf food in Italy; he said my family and I are going to love it

because it's so much better, and so much more widely available, than here.

________________________________________

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Of Angelika Kasten [akasten1@...<mailto:akasten1@...>]

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:17 PM

<mailto: >

Subject: [ ] Italy

HI,

Does anyone have recommendations for restaurants in Milan, Rome and

the Amalfi coast? Also any suggestion on how to ask for gluten free

food in Italian?

Thanks so much for your help,

Angelika

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Hi ,

I actually asked them that question today, if they know what her mercury level

is.  They have not had any testing of that sort.  I can suggest that to them

tonight when I email them.  Would they just ask the Dr to do the hair test to

check her level of mercury?  If the Dr in Italy cant do that, can I have them

send me a sample and have it tested here?  I also had them ask their Dr. if it

would be wise to alter her diet to be a gluten and dairy free.  Do you think

that is something they should ask about as well?

From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...>

Subject: [ ] Italy

autism treatment

Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 7:32 PM

 

Hi Antonella,

Can they order a DDI hair elements test? Do you know what toxic metal exposures

she has had. Might make more sense to get a mercury toxic diagnosis (if that's

the case) than a autism dx or proceed as if until they find out otherwise...

S S

Hi,

My cousins live in Italy and have a 7year little girl. All these years the

doctors have not diagnosed why she is not speaking. They have told them that it

might be a genetic disease from a long lost family member. Chiara has all the

symptons of Autism, but the Doctors have convinced them that she is not

autistic. I want them to come to Los Angeles to have her tested and start

getting proper care. I guess what I am asking is if anyone has any advise for us

on how to get her proper help.

Thanks,

Antonella

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Depends on what region in Italy they reside...

gluten free foods are quite common in Italy; at least options to purchase in

stores. Desserts are another story! :(

Are all children screened for celiac disease in Italy? I think the rate is 1 in

250 over there. There is an organization called AIC over in Italy (celiac gov't

org, I think) that might be able to help with ideas on diet. The casein would

be up to them.

Pam

>

> They may want to run a trial,, but that could be challenging in Italy. I'm GF

and my husband and I are vegan. A couple years ago we considered visiting Italy

for vacation and decided diet would be too difficult without a kitchen.

> S S

>

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