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Craig & Fonda,

I'm shocked and horrified that a school would abandoned 2 - 7th grade

boys in the teachers lounge for any period of time. In my day, the teachers

lounge was off limits to any student, yet accommodating your sons with the

use of " A Bathroom " is far from legal. There are many gray areas in the ADA

rules, especially if you have an old copy. I know, I fought this problem

working for the Department of Defense, and people will do anything to get by

the cheapest they can by the way the rules are written. Your sons have Civil

Rights, and this sounds like an area that the Civil Rights Commission needs

to look into in your state. Open a can of worms, it not only benefits your

sons, but others needing help in your school district.

Anyone else out there on the list that could inject something, please

do, as I'm not a lawyer, I'm Medically Retired from the Government, but I

remember the problems with ADA rulings in the 90's and if anyone else can

jump in here it sure will help Craig and Fonda.

One person of personal interest is Ruth Ricker, she's a regular in the

list and has information on Department of Education Rules set forth by the

US Government. I highly recommend you get ahold of Ruth if you can.

Don't let these jerks at your son's school whitewash their efforts at

going out of their way for you, and don't even let them insinuate that you

are trouble makers for caring for your son's future, and the future of the

school district. Good luck, hope others help out with information for you

also.

Rob Tille

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IEP HELP!!!!!

> We have twin boys age 12, with Diastrophic dwarfism. They are in the

> 7th grade. Our school does not know what the words " equal access " . Our

> boys have one restroom with Accomodation, But they are unable to open

> the door. When they can get a staff to open the door. Some times

> forgets them and the are stuck in restroom for up to 20 mins. And have

> goting yelled at for using other restrooms. That have no door to get

> in to. But other restrooms have NO Accomodation, And they will not

> make any Accomodation to them. Oh did I for get to say the restroom

> they are using is the stff restroom. This is just one of meny things

> we have to deal with..

>

> What we rely need is for someone that is a LP to join us with our next

> IEP.

>

> Need help Craig & Fonda

> Sault Ste. Marie MI

>

>

>

> ===

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Dear Craig and Fonda --

The *first* person I would contact if I were you is Doyle , the

LPA district director for Michigan. He should be able to send you in

the right direction. His phone number is (502) 636-1194, and his

e-mail address is deharr01@...

Good luck!

Dan Kennedy

Editor, LPA Online

Little People of America, Inc.

<http://www.lpaonline.org>

>We have twin boys age 12, with Diastrophic dwarfism. They are in the

>7th grade. Our school does not know what the words " equal access " . Our

>boys have one restroom with Accomodation, But they are unable to open

>the door. When they can get a staff to open the door. Some times

>forgets them and the are stuck in restroom for up to 20 mins. And have

>goting yelled at for using other restrooms. That have no door to get

>in to. But other restrooms have NO Accomodation, And they will not

>make any Accomodation to them. Oh did I for get to say the restroom

>they are using is the stff restroom. This is just one of meny things

>we have to deal with..

>

>What we rely need is for someone that is a LP to join us with our next

>IEP.

>

>Need help Craig & Fonda

>Sault Ste. Marie MI

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Have you considered contacting your local ACLU

(American Civil Liberties Union)chapter? If you were

to even " mention " the ACLU to the local school

officials, I would think that might make them jump to

your wishes a little quicker ;). Just a suggestion.

Kate

--- Tille <ntille@...> wrote:

> Craig & Fonda,

>

> I'm shocked and horrified that a school would

> abandoned 2 - 7th grade

> boys in the teachers lounge for any period of time.

> In my day, the teachers

> lounge was off limits to any student, yet

> accommodating your sons with the

> use of " A Bathroom " is far from legal. There are

> many gray areas in the ADA

> rules, especially if you have an old copy. I know, I

> fought this problem

> working for the Department of Defense, and people

> will do anything to get by

> the cheapest they can by the way the rules are

> written. Your sons have Civil

> Rights, and this sounds like an area that the Civil

> Rights Commission needs

> to look into in your state. Open a can of worms, it

> not only benefits your

> sons, but others needing help in your school

> district.

> Anyone else out there on the list that could

> inject something, please

> do, as I'm not a lawyer, I'm Medically Retired from

> the Government, but I

> remember the problems with ADA rulings in the 90's

> and if anyone else can

> jump in here it sure will help Craig and Fonda.

> One person of personal interest is Ruth Ricker,

> she's a regular in the

> list and has information on Department of Education

> Rules set forth by the

> US Government. I highly recommend you get ahold of

> Ruth if you can.

> Don't let these jerks at your son's school

> whitewash their efforts at

> going out of their way for you, and don't even let

> them insinuate that you

> are trouble makers for caring for your son's future,

> and the future of the

> school district. Good luck, hope others help out

> with information for you

> also.

>

> Rob Tille

>

>

____________________________________________________________

>

> IEP HELP!!!!!

>

>

> > We have twin boys age 12, with Diastrophic

> dwarfism. They are in the

> > 7th grade. Our school does not know what the words

> " equal access " . Our

> > boys have one restroom with Accomodation, But they

> are unable to open

> > the door. When they can get a staff to open the

> door. Some times

> > forgets them and the are stuck in restroom for up

> to 20 mins. And have

> > goting yelled at for using other restrooms. That

> have no door to get

> > in to. But other restrooms have NO Accomodation,

> And they will not

> > make any Accomodation to them. Oh did I for get to

> say the restroom

> > they are using is the stff restroom. This is just

> one of meny things

> > we have to deal with..

> >

> > What we rely need is for someone that is a LP to

> join us with our next

> > IEP.

> >

> > Need help Craig & Fonda

> > Sault Ste. Marie MI

> >

> >

> >

> > ===

> >

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Our heart goes out to you, and believe me, our daughter Mandy had a very

similar experience when she was younger, and it did create a fear of being

locked in, or having trouble opening doors.

When she was in third grade we made an IEP that Mandy would have someone go

to the restroom with her, so she could have help with door opening, etc.

That particular teacher had it in her mind that Mandy did not need her foot

stool, did not need help in anyway, including the restroom, and help with

her food tray during lunch.

Although this was all written in the IEP, the teacher ignored everything,

and Mandy went on her own. She found herself locked in the restroom, and a

another teacher found her on the restroom floor, and she was not able to

open the door because Mandy was in seizures against the door. When

everything came down, Mandy had been gone for 65 minutes, and the teacher

did not even go to check on her!!!!!

Mandy also developed back problems with hanging her legs over the chair

without the stool, and several spinal problems developed.

The teacher never apologized, although the Principal begged her, and later

apologized for her! The teacher felt Mandy wanted attention, and nothing

more. She said " it didn't make any difference what size Mandy was, that if

she was in school, she could do things for herself. "

We actually took a doctor with us to her IEP, and also several letters from

others.

Make sure your IEP is written very plainly, nothing left out, and everyone

signs it that day!!!

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-- IEP HELP!!!!!

We have twin boys age 12, with Diastrophic dwarfism. They are in the

7th grade. Our school does not know what the words " equal access " . Our

boys have one restroom with Accomodation, But they are unable to open

the door. When they can get a staff to open the door. Some times

forgets them and the are stuck in restroom for up to 20 mins. And have

goting yelled at for using other restrooms. That have no door to get

in to. But other restrooms have NO Accomodation, And they will not

make any Accomodation to them. Oh did I for get to say the restroom

they are using is the stff restroom. This is just one of meny things

we have to deal with..

What we rely need is for someone that is a LP to join us with our next

IEP.

Need help Craig & Fonda

Sault Ste. Marie MI

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What Ruth suggested about getting an advocate is very important... and most

important, educate yourself. There are organizations out there that teach

classes in what you and your children's rights are. An advocate can help

educate you as well, and are invaluable to have at an IEP, so they can

translate the school's double-talk. ( I learned that my former school

district, Los Angeles Unified, which was HUGE, used to say " That's not our

policy " even if it was the law. People who didn't know better didn't know

they could point to the law and win what was needed...)

There are certain terms that will often spur the school to action. One of

these is " Out of compliance " . When the school does not follow the directions

of an IEP, they are out of compliance, and basically breaking the law... I

have gotten very fast results when pointing that out after nothing had been

done for some time...

Also, make sure to put requests in writing. There is a timeline for when

most things must be done, and if you have your request in writing, you can

prove how long it has taken.

Excuse me if I sound jaded...I had to fight for so much for my daughter in

LAUSD... now I'm in heaven, she just started Middle School in Culver City,

which has its own school district and they are bending over backwards to make

things easy for her.... what a difference!!!

Feel free to write me directly, if you wish.

Good luck!

We have twin boys age 12, with Diastrophic dwarfism. They are in the

7th grade. Our school does not know what the words " equal access " . Our

boys have one restroom with Accomodation, But they are unable to open

the door. When they can get a staff to open the door. Some times

forgets them and the are stuck in restroom for up to 20 mins. And have

goting yelled at for using other restrooms. That have no door to get

in to. But other restrooms have NO Accomodation, And they will not

make any Accomodation to them. Oh did I for get to say the restroom

they are using is the stff restroom. This is just one of meny things

we have to deal with..

What we rely need is for someone that is a LP to join us with our next

IEP.

Need help Craig & Fonda

Sault Ste. Marie MI

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Another source to checkis the 's EDLAW website. Its a cross section of

pertinent info and sources. Check with your state department of education as

well. In our case movign our daughter to a small parochial school proved to

be the best thign for her all the way around but not all have that option.

I was also able to get a lot of support and info from our local League of the

Blidn about what the school can and cant do. Your child may not have a

vision problem but it wont hurt to check . The schools HAVE to be

accountable.

Apryl

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I foudn the school officials didnt want to play nice. I tried to work the

education route and gave them information from the experts on dwarfism and

was told I was an ignorant non professional who didnt know what I was talking

about. Sometimes ignorance is NOT educable, unfortunately.

Apryl

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On another list, a lady posted some very good ideas for the beginning

of every school year when your child has an IEP, even if you're at

the same school. She said to have a " staffing " - basically a meeting

where every single person that will work with your child will come

and hear from YOU how to work with your child - that includes every

aide, every therapist, absolutely every one... She said write up a

piece of paper and make a copy for everyone that tells what works

with your child - what equipment is necessary, what equipment she/he

uses, how she/he best learns, how best to " help out " , etc. Have this

piece of paper, but don't give it to the team until after you've told

them everything on the paper. THEN, pass it out a copy to everyone so

they can read it on his or her own. After that, if anything comes up,

you can fall back on that piece of paper that you wrote and refer to

them to whatever is pertinent and they can't say, " Oh, we

didn't know that! "

This parent found out the teachers don't read the files, they don't

investigate anything about the kids. Sometimes, they don't want

to " prejudice " themselves before working with the kids, sometimes

they are too busy…This suggestion came from Oregon, where, there is a

requirement that the school cooperate with a " staffing " meeting if it

is requested by the parent.

Her other suggestion was to find time to volunteer at the school.

When you can get to know the staff on a more personal level, for her,

it made the staff's reaction to her disabled child much more

accommodating.

IMHO, trying a more educational means of dealing with these

challenges can be more productive in the long run. Most of the

professional teachers are good, caring people. Lord knows they must

care; they aren't in that classroom for glamour, money or fame!

Of course, if they don't play nice, it is time for mama bear to go

into protect those cubs mode!

Good Luck!

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Unfortunately, it can be true... the attitudes vary from district to district

and school to school. An understanding principal can make a world of

difference, because they will pull strings that could prevent you from having

to fight.

Los Angeles Unifed was actually trying to legislate a measurable lessening of

" hostile environment " in their decree plan! A worthy idea, but I don't know

how enforceable or even measurable that is.

>

> I foudn the school officials didnt want to play nice. I tried to work the

> education route and gave them information from the experts on dwarfism and

> was told I was an ignorant non professional who didnt know what I was

> talking

> about. Sometimes ignorance is NOT educable, unfortunately.

>

>

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