Working through this in my own mind....

[Guest guest]

This (copied below) is from KeriAnn, so I¹m just talking myself through this

now to figure it out, as I want to purchase as much as I can today. I will

have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess, unless anyone

has heard of a brick and mortar store that might sell it?

The no white flours and no sugars shouldn¹t be hard....i¹m not too worried

about that part, the child in question does use Redmond¹s Real Salt, so

that¹s good.

She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has never

drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put in his

foods???? (right?)

My older child LOVES yogurt. Never been able to get much into this one. I

will try again. I guess I could also try Kefir in that regard, but I will

have to find one with no sugar........hmmmm.....

I have stevia to sweeten things for him and I have real maple syrup and

honey and agave syrup (all of which I know should be limited)

I have trouble getting this child to usually consume large amounts of

anything, but I¹m feeling very.....somehwat at least, hopeless about getting

him to consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods. I feel like I HAVE to

try the other things even though his diet is lacking, KWIM? It is

distressing and hard to feed a child of this age, when you feel like you

know what they should have, but you have no idea how to get it in them. At

least my oldest was so ³easy² in this regard. He just naturally ate all of

the healthy things.....

Chantelle

Ps-his brother and I LOVE our leafy greens. My oldest literally jumps for

joy over collards or spinach and the like and begs me for more.

Pss-I¹m open to all suggestions about sneaky ways with any of this. I¹m

ready to try again even things I¹ve tried in the past.

# Trace mineral supplement like Concentrace. Concentrace to just under the

level it is tastable in every single drink and smoothie. You can add up to

10 drops of it in a cup of milk or smoothie without noticing it. Get just as

much into yourself as you possibly can. You can get Concentrace or Vitamin

Shoppe's No Name Brand version. We use the NNB because it's cheaper.

# CLO- 1/2 tsp three times a day of the Blue Ice, or less of the fermented

version. We currently use the fermented.

# Butter Oil or Liquid K2- If you're allergic to dairy, take Thorne's Liquid

K2.

# No sugar

# No white flours

# Salt to taste- use celtic salt or Redmond's Real Salt.

# Probiotics in large doses, including probiotics foods

# Consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods and bone broths, and plenty

of leafy greens.

[Guest guest]

>

> I will have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess,

> unless anyone has heard of a brick and mortar store that might sell

> it?

I've looked and haven't found anything in Tucson that sells the Blue

Ice brand.

> She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has

> never drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

> Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put in

> his foods???? (right?)

Magnesium oil is transdermal. It contains all the trace minerals you

need. 2-4 oz. in a foot bath for about 10 minutes will go through the

skin in feet and into the tissues. It's better to do it this way than

through food. That's just my opinion though. Magnesium oil can be

made from water and nigari crystals. If you cannot find Japanese

nigari crystals in Phoenix, you'll have to order it from here:

http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/9957

When I called around Tucson to all the Asian imports stores, asking

about nigari, they all thought I was from Mars.

> My older child LOVES yogurt. Never been able to get much into this

> one. I will try again. I guess I could also try Kefir in that

> regard, but I will have to find one with no sugar........hmmmm.....

I don't recommend store bought Kefir - and for several reasons. They

use a dead powder to " populate " it with probiotic, the milk source is

questionable and what they do to the milk before they kefir it is even

more questionable. Make your own kefir with grains - you can find

them through the local Phoenix WAP chapter. , who runs the

chapter in Chandler would be able to help you locate some. You can

find her information here:

http://westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html#az

> I have stevia to sweeten things for him and I have real maple syrup

> and honey and agave syrup (all of which I know should be limited)

Grade B maple syrup is best. So is raw honey. Put the agave nectar

down the garbage disposal. It's worse than white sugar. Natural News

just did an eyepopping expose on agave nectar.

> I have trouble getting this child to usually consume large amounts

> of anything, but I¹m feeling very.....somehwat at least, hopeless

> about getting him to consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods.

For us, the best way to start eating healthy was by example. Keep

only the foods you like around the house and eat them in front of

(overly observant) eyes. Make a big deal about how the nutrient dense

stuff is the best tasting food you've ever eaten.

Of course my three year old would eat chicken mcnuggets every day if I

let him - but he's starting to appreciate eggs over medium with

organically raised bacon and sprouted toast, especially when he's hungry.

> I feel like I HAVE to try the other things even though his diet is

> lacking, KWIM? It is distressing and hard to feed a child of this

> age, when you feel like you know what they should have, but you have

> no idea how to get it in them.

You can do this. Do it all with him. Take the CLO/HVBO with him -

call it " nemo juice " or something. Make kefir smoothies and drink

them with him - comment on how good it tastes. Invest in a cheapy

foot bath vessel from Target and invite him to join in your foot bath

with the mag. oil.

-vanessa

.... it's good for you too

[Guest guest]

Oh definitely (agreeing with the last part of your email).

I was encouraged just before getting your email too as I watched the 3

videos on you tube that went through the protocol. I found out I can start

with the kerrigold butter at least, so that I don¹t have to wait for the

blue ice to come to start. Yay! The child LOVES butter, so that part will be

easy at least. I mean he¹ll eat that like slices of cheese.......

I always have eaten healthy in front of him and talked about how good it is.

So does dh (in terms of liver and things like that that are actually health)

and so does my older son. So I don¹t know why all of our example isn¹t good

enough for him! At the same time, I¹m thankful he doesn¹t like white bread,

white flour stuff at least. It was very hard to get this child to eat

anything(originally...ages 1 and 2) but breastmilk. (he still nurses, but

not much at this age)

He¹s very limited in his diet, but at least he likes grass fed meats (but

won¹t eat the liver like the rest of us do) (I¹m going to try to sneak this

into something until the CLO arrives), that is if sprouts has grass fed

liver....i sure hope they do!

Oh and he loves eggs! So that¹s good.....

Great idea bout the foot bath....I think I have something that will work for

that.....

Thanks for all the ideas!!!!

Thanks for telling me about .

Is there a brand of sprouted bread I should look for? (I¹ve seen this at

sprouts and some of my other stores)

Are any of the sprouted breads okay?

The child will eat bread and butter and always eats only whole grain breads,

when he¹s eating that, so I think it will be easy to get the kerrigold into

him using the sprouted bread. Kwim?

Chantelle

Ps-the other thing I didn¹t mention is that his ³hunger² signals are off

(which is a problem myself have had and my first one sometimes did too, but

he seems to have overcome of it. All (three) of us, but ESPECIALLY this

child will go all day without eating if allowed to! Obviously I try HARD to

avoid him doing this, but there are times he only takes a few bites at each

meal and other times when I really feel he¹s eaten little for a good portion

of a day. Obviously this is worrisome to a mom, but I Œve done everything I

can to keep this from happening very often. (he will even refuse foods he

has always liked during some of these times) Any tips and ideas on that are

also appreciated. I¹ve allowed dh to let him eat some things I never would

have , simply because I get concerned over this behavior of his. Your post

about ³when your kid is hungry² reminded me of this. On the outside, I

treat this all very calm and try to keep it from becoming something that he

will just be stubborn about. I act very nonchalant when suggesting various

foods I know he might like. Sometimes watching me eat something will get him

to want to eat it, but sometimes he just insists he still doens¹t want any

food.

On 12/1/08 10:10 AM, " van essa " <vandalsem@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > I will have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess,

>> > unless anyone has heard of a brick and mortar store that might sell

>> > it?

>

> I've looked and haven't found anything in Tucson that sells the Blue

> Ice brand.

>

>> > She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has

>> > never drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

>> > Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put in

>> > his foods???? (right?)

>

> Magnesium oil is transdermal. It contains all the trace minerals you

> need. 2-4 oz. in a foot bath for about 10 minutes will go through the

> skin in feet and into the tissues. It's better to do it this way than

> through food. That's just my opinion though. Magnesium oil can be

> made from water and nigari crystals. If you cannot find Japanese

> nigari crystals in Phoenix, you'll have to order it from here:

>

> http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/9957

>

> When I called around Tucson to all the Asian imports stores, asking

> about nigari, they all thought I was from Mars.

>

>> > My older child LOVES yogurt. Never been able to get much into this

>> > one. I will try again. I guess I could also try Kefir in that

>> > regard, but I will have to find one with no sugar........hmmmm.....

>

> I don't recommend store bought Kefir - and for several reasons. They

> use a dead powder to " populate " it with probiotic, the milk source is

> questionable and what they do to the milk before they kefir it is even

> more questionable. Make your own kefir with grains - you can find

> them through the local Phoenix WAP chapter. , who runs the

> chapter in Chandler would be able to help you locate some. You can

> find her information here:

>

> http://westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html#az

>

>> > I have stevia to sweeten things for him and I have real maple syrup

>> > and honey and agave syrup (all of which I know should be limited)

>

> Grade B maple syrup is best. So is raw honey. Put the agave nectar

> down the garbage disposal. It's worse than white sugar. Natural News

> just did an eyepopping expose on agave nectar.

>

>> > I have trouble getting this child to usually consume large amounts

>> > of anything, but I¹m feeling very.....somehwat at least, hopeless

>> > about getting him to consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods.

>

> For us, the best way to start eating healthy was by example. Keep

> only the foods you like around the house and eat them in front of

> (overly observant) eyes. Make a big deal about how the nutrient dense

> stuff is the best tasting food you've ever eaten.

>

> Of course my three year old would eat chicken mcnuggets every day if I

> let him - but he's starting to appreciate eggs over medium with

> organically raised bacon and sprouted toast, especially when he's hungry.

>

>> > I feel like I HAVE to try the other things even though his diet is

>> > lacking, KWIM? It is distressing and hard to feed a child of this

>> > age, when you feel like you know what they should have, but you have

>> > no idea how to get it in them.

>

> You can do this. Do it all with him. Take the CLO/HVBO with him -

> call it " nemo juice " or something. Make kefir smoothies and drink

> them with him - comment on how good it tastes. Invest in a cheapy

> foot bath vessel from Target and invite him to join in your foot bath

> with the mag. oil.

>

> -vanessa

>

> ... it's good for you too

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If the little fella has bowel issues you'd have to add " no flours or

starches, brown or white " and " No grains of any kind including spelt

rye buckwheat and quinoa " , and " no beans " . The best information on

bowel health is available on the candidasis list:

http://tinyurl.com/candidiasis

I usually suggest montmorillonite for the mineral, an analysis of one,

Kona Gold, used to be listed on the Integrisglobal.com site.

Duncan

>

> This (copied below) is from KeriAnn, so I¹m just talking myself

through this

> now to figure it out, as I want to purchase as much as I can today.

I will

> have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess, unless

anyone

> has heard of a brick and mortar store that might sell it?

>

> The no white flours and no sugars shouldn¹t be hard....i¹m not too

worried

> about that part, the child in question does use Redmond¹s Real Salt,

so

> that¹s good.

>

> She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has

never

> drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

> Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put in

his

> foods???? (right?)

>

> My older child LOVES yogurt. Never been able to get much into this

one. I

> will try again. I guess I could also try Kefir in that regard, but I

will

> have to find one with no sugar........hmmmm.....

>

> I have stevia to sweeten things for him and I have real maple syrup

and

> honey and agave syrup (all of which I know should be limited)

>

> I have trouble getting this child to usually consume large amounts

of

> anything, but I¹m feeling very.....somehwat at least, hopeless about

getting

> him to consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods. I feel like I

HAVE to

> try the other things even though his diet is lacking, KWIM? It is

> distressing and hard to feed a child of this age, when you feel like

you

> know what they should have, but you have no idea how to get it in

them. At

> least my oldest was so ³easy² in this regard. He just naturally ate

all of

> the healthy things.....

>

> Chantelle

>

> Ps-his brother and I LOVE our leafy greens. My oldest literally

jumps for

> joy over collards or spinach and the like and begs me for more.

>

> Pss-I¹m open to all suggestions about sneaky ways with any of this.

I¹m

> ready to try again even things I¹ve tried in the past.

>

>

> # Trace mineral supplement like Concentrace. Concentrace to just

under the

> level it is tastable in every single drink and smoothie. You can add

up to

> 10 drops of it in a cup of milk or smoothie without noticing it. Get

just as

> much into yourself as you possibly can. You can get Concentrace or

Vitamin

> Shoppe's No Name Brand version. We use the NNB because it's cheaper.

> # CLO- 1/2 tsp three times a day of the Blue Ice, or less of the

fermented

> version. We currently use the fermented.

> # Butter Oil or Liquid K2- If you're allergic to dairy, take

Thorne's Liquid

> K2.

> # No sugar

> # No white flours

> # Salt to taste- use celtic salt or Redmond's Real Salt.

> # Probiotics in large doses, including probiotics foods

> # Consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods and bone broths, and

plenty

> of leafy greens.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, the swimmers in salt water would quickly be poisoned if they

were absorbing minerals without controls. There is no reason to expect

that transdermal absorption of trace minerals occurs, and my opinion

would have to be changed by DATA to that effect.

Duncan

> >

> > I will have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess,

> > unless anyone has heard of a brick and mortar store that might

sell

> > it?

>

> I've looked and haven't found anything in Tucson that sells the Blue

> Ice brand.

>

> > She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has

> > never drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

> > Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put

in

> > his foods???? (right?)

>

> Magnesium oil is transdermal. It contains all the trace minerals

you

> need. 2-4 oz. in a foot bath for about 10 minutes will go through

the

> skin in feet and into the tissues. It's better to do it this way

than

> through food. That's just my opinion though.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan. No bowell issues here. (this all began with me realizing

that his teeth (not serious issue yet either) could surely be helped by

this. When I watched the online videos I did, it made me realize just how

bad some teeth are. His situation is nothing like that, but at the same

time, if we can do anything to avoid more cavities, that¹s sure what we need

to do! ( I never had any cavities as a child, and neither did my oldest, nor

did my dh, from what he has told me) (also, so far he¹s had no dental work

done on cavities (dentist only mentioned decay of two front teeth, but said

they could just be watched. That decay IS very obvious and I was concerned

but the latest cavity concerns me a lot more, since molars come out a lot

later than front teeth) (and obviously I want our regimen fully in place

before we are even dealing with permanent teeth having come in!)

I do appreciate getting to discuss all this though. The more I get to

process and discuss it, the better the likelihood of me working through

exactly what I need to do! (in absence of currently knowing any local

support).

I¹m checking out the website gave me though, so hopefully the lack

of local support will change !

Chantelle

Ps-I had a talk with my older child about all this tonight and he was

excited about it. He said, ³That¹s how I like to eat anyway!² (I don¹t think

he fully understood, but I liked his positive attitude and he does eat very

healthy)

On 12/1/08 7:45 PM, " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> If the little fella has bowel issues you'd have to add " no flours or

> starches, brown or white " and " No grains of any kind including spelt

> rye buckwheat and quinoa " , and " no beans " . The best information on

> bowel health is available on the candidasis list:

> http://tinyurl.com/candidiasis

>

> I usually suggest montmorillonite for the mineral, an analysis of one,

> Kona Gold, used to be listed on the Integrisglobal.com site.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>> >

>> > This (copied below) is from KeriAnn, so I¹m just talking myself

> through this

>> > now to figure it out, as I want to purchase as much as I can today.

> I will

>> > have to wait for the Blue Ice to be shipped though I guess, unless

> anyone

>> > has heard of a brick and mortar store that might sell it?

>> >

>> > The no white flours and no sugars shouldn¹t be hard....i¹m not too

> worried

>> > about that part, the child in question does use Redmond¹s Real Salt,

> so

>> > that¹s good.

>> >

>> > She mentioned putting the trace minerals into milk. This child has

> never

>> > drank milk consistently, for several reasons.

>> > Any ideas how I can get the trace minerals into him? Okay to put in

> his

>> > foods???? (right?)

>> >

>> > My older child LOVES yogurt. Never been able to get much into this

> one. I

>> > will try again. I guess I could also try Kefir in that regard, but I

> will

>> > have to find one with no sugar........hmmmm.....

>> >

>> > I have stevia to sweeten things for him and I have real maple syrup

> and

>> > honey and agave syrup (all of which I know should be limited)

>> >

>> > I have trouble getting this child to usually consume large amounts

> of

>> > anything, but I¹m feeling very.....somehwat at least, hopeless about

> getting

>> > him to consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods. I feel like I

> HAVE to

>> > try the other things even though his diet is lacking, KWIM? It is

>> > distressing and hard to feed a child of this age, when you feel like

> you

>> > know what they should have, but you have no idea how to get it in

> them. At

>> > least my oldest was so ³easy² in this regard. He just naturally ate

> all of

>> > the healthy things.....

>> >

>> > Chantelle

>> >

>> > Ps-his brother and I LOVE our leafy greens. My oldest literally

> jumps for

>> > joy over collards or spinach and the like and begs me for more.

>> >

>> > Pss-I¹m open to all suggestions about sneaky ways with any of this.

> I¹m

>> > ready to try again even things I¹ve tried in the past.

>> >

>> >

>> > # Trace mineral supplement like Concentrace. Concentrace to just

> under the

>> > level it is tastable in every single drink and smoothie. You can add

> up to

>> > 10 drops of it in a cup of milk or smoothie without noticing it. Get

> just as

>> > much into yourself as you possibly can. You can get Concentrace or

> Vitamin

>> > Shoppe's No Name Brand version. We use the NNB because it's cheaper.

>> > # CLO- 1/2 tsp three times a day of the Blue Ice, or less of the

> fermented

>> > version. We currently use the fermented.

>> > # Butter Oil or Liquid K2- If you're allergic to dairy, take

> Thorne's Liquid

>> > K2.

>> > # No sugar

>> > # No white flours

>> > # Salt to taste- use celtic salt or Redmond's Real Salt.

>> > # Probiotics in large doses, including probiotics foods

>> > # Consume large amounts of nutrient dense foods and bone broths, and

> plenty

>> > of leafy greens.

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

So what about all the many people who say they get magnesium from epsom

salt baths or from magnesium " oil " , or other topical application of

magnesium salts?

If that is different, I'd like to understand why.

thanks,

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> , the swimmers in salt water would quickly be poisoned if they

> were absorbing minerals without controls. There is no reason to expect

> that transdermal absorption of trace minerals occurs, and my opinion

> would have to be changed by DATA to that effect.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for all the ideas!!!!

YW!!

> All (three) of us, but ESPECIALLY this child will go all day

> without eating if allowed to!

One thing I've learned about kids - I have four - is that they eat

what they need. Their little internal clocks are finely tuned and as

long as you keep what they need available (nutrient dense foods) and

let them know that it's okay to ask for things - that's about all your

job needs to be.

One of my girlfriends has three young girls. She does not keep heavy

snacks around the house much - so when it's time to eat - those girls

eat. They are on a tight budget, so that may have something to do

with it.

It's us, who spend ungodly amounts of money on food - and usually

stuff our bodies don't need - that this is an issue.

Another thing you can try - get creative with coconut oil.

Whizzed-up VCO, dates, crispy nuts, a teeny amount of sweetner (not

agave), throw in some coconut flake or raw cacao or even coconut

butter creates a nutrient dense snack.

I tend to make a bigger deal out of a pot of beans with an organic

hamhock that has simmered in homemade stock all day.

-vanessa

.... sometimes he agrees, sometimes not so much