Re: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

[Guest guest]

Have you had any older clients that have NOT healed the glands well

enough and still need hormone supplementation/balancing even after

faithfully following your protocol?

The way it has been explained to me is that while it can be valuable to

supplement the master hormones pregnenolone and DHEA, if they do NOT

convert to the hormones that NEED increasing, but instead convert to

hormones already too high, those persons have no recourse but to

supplement what is missing/low instead of relying on the master

hormones. Healing the glands would be ideal.

I'd also like to know if you have seen pituitary recovery ever? Most

people with secondary adrenal fatigue (adrenals can function, but the

pit doesn't send the stimulating signals) are told the pituitary never

recovers.

sol

P.S. about me--I am going to think harder about anti-aging, but can a

person who needs very high sodium intake still do such a program? No

matter how much sodium I ingest (and I use a lot, and drink salted water

besides) my blood levels stay mildly low. Not horridly low, but not even

top of range. My K is a bit low, but in balance with sodium. Your salt

free high potassium diet would very likely send ME into rabhdo-whatsis.

Even trying to use a bit of extra potassium can make me ill. A

conventional approach would say I need to take Florinef, but frankly, I

do not want to, at this point at least. I'm trying to manage my salt

wasting without it.

Duncan Crow wrote:

> I agree with Sol that the hormonal cascades will vary with the

> individual. I think that's the reason the specialists are using HGH

> increasers to heal glands and balance the rest of the hormones within

> the client's unique hormonal cascade controls, rather than tinkering

> with hormonal variables within the cascade.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan .. I wonder what those doc's would say about the " issue " whereby a

tubal ligation or hysterectomy took place?  Doesn't that stop the " natural "

processing of the needed hormones? Would you still advocate  " rounds " of the

anti-aging program .. in a situation such as this?  OR .. to continue on

indefinitely? 

In my thinking (and I know I'm ignorant on this) because of the surgical

procedure on the female productive parts .. the natural processing can't take

place.  If we take the somalife gHP for the 12 (or is it 18?) months, for

someone with one of these type of previous surgical issues .. would you still

say to go off of it for a period of time? 

Just curious .. 

Thanks!

Glory 

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 10:03:35 PM

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Hi Sol, no I haven't had any clients who explored the additional

benefits that tinkering with hormonal levels might have yielded. I

think it's because we in Canada have trouble getting doctors to say

you have low total hormonal values for a young adult as opposed to

adequate hormonal values for one's age group. In other words they have

no interest in optimization unless they are specialists.

On the pituitary recovery question, this is well known by and oft-

mentioned by anti-aging doctors in terms of HGH secretion, and I can

point to people not needing more than a two-year program, after which

they are producing hormonal values that are apparently within a more

youthful if not optimal range for the individual because they are 10-

12 years younger by all other health and sex markers, and stay that

way when the program is discontinued.

Contacting Dr. Ron Meyers, Dr. Philip White, or Dr. MacLeod on

the SomaLife advisory panel would give you that information from the

horse's mouth as they all operate anti-aging clinics and have sen

thousands of patients for treatment.

It's high salt and low K that causes the rhab... but I can appreciate

that you may present a uniqueness that' not shared by 99% and that's

OK. Some people eliminate salt very efficiently.

Duncan

> > I agree with Sol that the hormonal cascades will vary with the

> > individual. I think that's the reason the specialists are using

HGH

> > increasers to heal glands and balance the rest of the hormones

within

> > the client's unique hormonal cascade controls, rather than

tinkering

> > with hormonal variables within the cascade.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> It's high salt and low K that causes the rhab... but I can appreciate

> that you may present a uniqueness that' not shared by 99% and that's

> OK. Some people eliminate salt very efficiently.

>

>

To repeat, I have read that high K also can cause it. And I believe the

percentages of people who need more salt (lots of it) is much higher

than 1% of the population. I'm on one list with nearly 2000 members the

majority of whom need a lot of salt. The only ones who seem to need more

potassium are those actually taking Florinef. Florinef decreases K, so

they need to supp it.

So can I do an -anti-aging protocol and keep my salt intake where it is?

Or is there something in the protocol that absolutely requires a no salt

diet and K supplementation?

sol

[Guest guest]

And what about those of us who have had total hysterectomies? What

should really be called female castration, but nobody wants to call it

what it really is because it sounds so ugly. You can't make hormones if

you no longer have the hormone producing organs. My understanding is the

adrenals and fat cells still produce some female hormones, but the level

drops hugely and instantly after castration.

I know that all too well firsthand.

So I am also curious what a woman who has had such surgery can expect in

the way of benefits from an anti-aging protocol. I've never seen a claim

that SomaLife can grow back my organs, LOL.

sol

Glory wrote:

> Hi Duncan .. I wonder what those doc's would say about the " issue " whereby a

tubal ligation or hysterectomy took place? Doesn't that stop the " natural "

processing of the needed hormones? Would you still advocate " rounds " of the

anti-aging program .. in a situation such as this? OR .. to continue on

indefinitely?

>

> In my thinking (and I know I'm ignorant on this) because of the surgical

procedure on the female productive parts .. the natural processing can't take

place. If we take the somalife gHP for the 12 (or is it 18?) months, for

someone with one of these type of previous surgical issues .. would you still

say to go off of it for a period of time?

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

For crying out loud, don't make me PROVE it to you. Have you not read any of

Dr. Fife's books? HE does the research. You only need to read what I read

and look up the reference. I didn't say it contained hormones I said it

CONTAINS a substance SIMILAR to Pregnenolone. Dr. Fife said it NOT ME.

I used it at the dosage recommended and THEN had my hormone test done and

THEN was shocked to see what had happened to my levels. This perhaps

happened because I have GUT CANDIDA.

I never said I felt better, in fact I felt lousy with 2 tbsp. VCO daily.

Phytonutrients are IN the Palm Oil and perhaps they act like Phytoestrogens.

You should SLOW DOWN and read my email and see exactly what I said. I DIDN'T

say Gut Bacteria creates phytochemicals. I said that THE HEALTH OF THE

INTESTINAL TRACT will greatly influence WHICH hormones are produced AFTER

you eat the Phytonutrients in Palm Oil. Now that makes sense to me, why

doesn't it make sense to you?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 8, 2008 11:41 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Bonnie, the info I was looking for is some kind of documented proof

that coconut oil contains any hormone or other substance that may be

converted to pregnenolone. Feeling better with dietary change is not

proof of course so I asked where you got the proof for your statement.

I'd also like to know how this substance might satisfy the body's need

for pregnenolone because as far as I know that reaction is not

happening and VCO will not be able to convert to the hormones preg

converts to.

In other words it may not be the reaction you specified at all that

makes you feel better. What references did Dr. Fife use to establish

his point besides people feeling better? Research data that would

establish whether VCO has any such activity would be nice; conversely,

if this is a myth we'd better kill it today

Bonnie, phytochemicals are created by plants from sunlight (phyto

keyword) and since the plants in your gut are not exposed to sunlight,

I'd expect a better explanation than the passage you quoted from Dr.

Fife below because gut bacteria do not create phytochemicals, and in

fact phytochemicals are anti-bacterial.

In the rest of your letter you made two quotes in which researchers

used the word " must " with no data to back it up, by definition a

guess. I'd still need some kind of proof that the text is not myth.

I'll take that cheque now, Bonnie

all good,

Duncan

> > >> Hello Everyone:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> When I write (what I feel is) an interesting email, NO ONE

> REPLIES.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It would not be unusual if she did not need supplemental estrogen, but

it would be nearly miraculous if she did not need supplemental

progesterone. According to several books I've read recently, authored by

Dr. Lee, Dr. Phuli Cohan, and Dr. Uzzi Reiss to name 3.

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Hi Anne; if the lady has no ovaries I think a hormonal assay would be

> useful even if she's on an HGH increaser. Not to say she's need extra

> estrogen but it's possible.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my opinion, no one should go on a low salt diet or supplement

potassium unless they have electrolyte labs to show they need it. I have

read that only a very small percentage of the population have salt

sensitive blood pressure, too. And on the list where so many need a LOT

of salt, and only a very few need to take potassium iwth it, there are

some people who nearly died of being put on salt restricted diets.

You just may not be seeing these people. I have also read that excess

potassium can cause heart attack.

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Good morning Sol;

>

> The best effect of an anti-aging program occurs when the client is not

> toxic and has all the nutrients available in balance, so if you need

> extra salt to stay within that condition, go ahead with it.

>

> I just pointed out the rhabdomyolysis again because a lot of people

> who chose to be on high salt shouldn't be, especially without

> counteracting it with potassium.

[Guest guest]

Forgot to say, that is encouraging that I can still do an anti-aging

protocol within my salt limits.

In addition to seeming to need a bit less thyroid hormone recently, some

things are changing with my sodium/potassium balance just very, very

recently. Too early to report on, in case it is just a temporary fluke.

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Good morning Sol;

>

> The best effect of an anti-aging program occurs when the client is not

> toxic and has all the nutrients available in balance, so if you need

> extra salt to stay within that condition, go ahead with it.

>

[Guest guest]

Since most people eat far more Soduim than Potassium, adding Potassium

makes sense to me. I feel much more balanced when supplementing with

both Sodium and Potassium. My hands used to shake when pouring

liquids out of a heavy bottle, and my legs lacked stability when

walking. My blood pressure was marginally low (96/65, measured after

walking briskly for an hour or so). After adding both Sodium an

Potassium (more in summer than now), I am far more stable.

How much excess Potassium does it take to significantly increase

chances of getting a heart attack?

Alobar

On 12/10/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

> In my opinion, no one should go on a low salt diet or supplement

> potassium unless they have electrolyte labs to show they need it. I have

> read that only a very small percentage of the population have salt

> sensitive blood pressure, too. And on the list where so many need a LOT

> of salt, and only a very few need to take potassium iwth it, there are

> some people who nearly died of being put on salt restricted diets.

> You just may not be seeing these people. I have also read that excess

> potassium can cause heart attack.

> sol

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Sol! Although no one should use table salt, everyone should use celtic

slt which has all the minerals needed for the body to use salt correctly. Table

salt is really poison to the body...so low salt, no salt for table salt yes!

Also, salt cravings are often a sympton of low adrenals. Dr. Brownstein

has a great book on Salt.

Nonie> > In my opinion, no one should go on a low salt diet or supplement >

potassium unless they have electrolyte labs to show they need it. I have > read

that only a very small percentage of the population have salt > sensitive blood

pressure, too. And on the list where so many need a LOT > of salt, and only a

very few need to take potassium iwth it, there are > some people who nearly died

of being put on salt restricted diets.> You just may not be seeing these people.

I have also read that excess > potassium can cause heart attack.> sol

[Guest guest]

Sigh,

Table salt is NOT poison. You can get refined " table " salt with NO

additives if you want to avoid the flow agents, which I do, so I don't

buy iodized salt or salt with additives. I will not use celtic salt or

other sea salts because they are filthy, and full of heavy metals.

sol

Nonie wrote:

> I agree, Sol! Although no one should use table salt, everyone should use

celtic slt which has all the minerals needed for the body to use salt correctly.

Table salt is really poison to the body...so low salt, no salt for table salt

yes!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, believe what you want, but you might actually want to do some research.

table salt is processed and not complete...the body does not recognize it as

salt that it needs. It is the processing that strips all the co-factor minerals

that is the problem. Celtic sea salt is perfectly safe and healthy.Nonie> Sigh,>

Table salt is NOT poison. You can get refined " table " salt with NO > additives

if you want to avoid the flow agents, which I do, so I don't > buy iodized salt

or salt with additives. I will not use celtic salt or > other sea salts because

they are filthy, and full of heavy metals.> sol

[Guest guest]

Well, that is a low salt diet to ME, LOL. And to others on the adrenals

list I'm on. The way it has been explained to me is that when the body

gets too little sodium it will flush out potassium to keep from going

too high in the potassium. You don't want to be too high in sodium of

course, but most of the people there are like me, and can't hold onto

sodium. The ones who are lowest in sodium also have the lowest K levels,

and my understanding is that the body must keep the balance between the

two, and it doesn't like either to be over high with respect to the other.

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Sol, I don't suggest going low salt either; I just get them to stop

> adding the stuff beyond what they get in processed food, vegetable

> juices etc. I also determine whether they are one of the 90% who would

> be potassium deficient by looking at their dietary habits. As it turns

> out a lot of people are a bit high on salt but very low in potassium

> so adding a gram or two wouldn't hurt, noting that many articles

> suggest 5-15 GRAMS daily K deficiency on average. Never lost a client

> yet, even though I'm too cautious to go even as high as 5 grams.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally, I love coconut water, but is has far too many carbs for me

to handle safely.

Sea salt contains far less Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, and

most minerals the body needs. Sea salt also contains Cadmium,

Mercury, and other mineral salts my body does not need.

Alobar

On 12/11/08, Joan Lulich <joanlulich@...> wrote:

> Why not drink coconut water for your potassium? Then you don't have to worry

about

> getting too much. Have you read Bruce Fife's newest book on Coconut Water?

It tells you

> what you need to know.

>

> Lee says drink organic orange juice with 1/4 tsp white sea salt for your

minerals. She

> tells people to get the their vitamins and minerals from whole foods with the

exception of

> vitamin D.

>

> Joan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you diabetic Alobar? I have trouble keeping everybody straight in my

mind, but I do try

Chantelle

On 12/11/08 5:39 PM, " Alobar " <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Personally, I love coconut water, but is has far too many carbs for me

> to handle safely.

>

> Sea salt contains far less Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, and

> most minerals the body needs. Sea salt also contains Cadmium,

> Mercury, and other mineral salts my body does not need.

>

> Alobar

>

> On 12/11/08, Joan Lulich <joanlulich@... <mailto:joanlulich%40>

> > wrote:

>> > Why not drink coconut water for your potassium? Then you don't have to

>> worry about

>> > getting too much. Have you read Bruce Fife's newest book on Coconut Water?

>> It tells you

>> > what you need to know.

>> >

>> > Lee says drink organic orange juice with 1/4 tsp white sea salt for

>> your minerals. She

>> > tells people to get the their vitamins and minerals from whole foods with

>> the exception of

>> > vitamin D.

>> >

>> > Joan

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Duncan but you missed the Red Palm Oil. It actually has far

more Sterols than VCO. What could we learn about it?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 11, 2008 5:30 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Bonnie, ...from Bruce's book, " Fresh coconut, and perhaps virgin

coconut oil, contains fatlike substances called sterols that are very

similar in structure to pregnenolone. "

....here's what Ray Peat says:

<snip>As far as the evidence goes, it suggests that coconut oil, added

regularly to a balanced diet, lowers cholesterol to normal by

promoting its conversion into pregnenolone. (The coconut family

contains steroids that resemble pregnenolone, but these are probably

mostly removed when the fresh oil is washed with water to remove the

enzymes which would digest the oil.) </snip>

What I get out of it is sterols that resemble pregnenolone may OR MAY

NOT have a similar effect, if they were present, and neither expert

knows whether they are present in useful quantities. Their postulates

could be tested to produce useful data but at this point a connection

between VCO and your elevated hormonal level remains a guess.

Hops tea is known to be a huge source of sterols. Lots of vegetables

contain sterols and sterolins, and these form part of our regular food

chain without causing pregnenolone complications.

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> For crying out loud, don't make me PROVE it to you. Have you not

read any of

> Dr. Fife's books? HE does the research. You only need to read what

I read

> and look up the reference. I didn't say it contained hormones I said

it

> CONTAINS a substance SIMILAR to Pregnenolone. Dr. Fife said it NOT

ME.

[Guest guest]

Yes, diabetic and taking no meds. Blood sugar controlled thru diet

and supplements.

Alobar

On 12/12/08, Chantelle <bornfrueh@...> wrote:

> Are you diabetic Alobar? I have trouble keeping everybody straight in my

> mind, but I do try

> Chantelle

>

>

> On 12/11/08 5:39 PM, " Alobar " <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally, I love coconut water, but is has far too many carbs for me

> > to handle safely.

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

Dr. Peat said it in his first sentence -

.....promoting its conversion into Pregnenolone. It doesn't take very much

Preg to start the Cascade and not all VCO is rinsed anymore.

There is no guessing involved here. Many people write to Dr. Fife and

explain IN DETAIL how the VCO has changed their hormones, their Menopause,

their PMS, their Prostate conditions and on and on and....

You only NEED TO READ IT and then BELIEVE IT.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 11, 2008 5:30 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Bonnie, ...from Bruce's book, " Fresh coconut, and perhaps virgin

coconut oil, contains fatlike substances called sterols that are very

similar in structure to pregnenolone. "

....here's what Ray Peat says:

<snip>As far as the evidence goes, it suggests that coconut oil, added

regularly to a balanced diet, lowers cholesterol to normal by

promoting its conversion into pregnenolone. (The coconut family

contains steroids that resemble pregnenolone, but these are probably

mostly removed when the fresh oil is washed with water to remove the

enzymes which would digest the oil.) </snip>

What I get out of it is sterols that resemble pregnenolone may OR MAY

NOT have a similar effect, if they were present, and neither expert

knows whether they are present in useful quantities. Their postulates

could be tested to produce useful data but at this point a connection

between VCO and your elevated hormonal level remains a guess.

Hops tea is known to be a huge source of sterols. Lots of vegetables

contain sterols and sterolins, and these form part of our regular food

chain without causing pregnenolone complications.

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> For crying out loud, don't make me PROVE it to you. Have you not

read any of

> Dr. Fife's books? HE does the research. You only need to read what

I read

> and look up the reference. I didn't say it contained hormones I said

it

> CONTAINS a substance SIMILAR to Pregnenolone. Dr. Fife said it NOT

ME.

[Guest guest]

If there are no references to research, the claims are based up

anecdotal evidence, not scientific proof. Sometimes all we have to

go on is anecdotal evidence, but where there is research, I do prefer

to see citations. Does Dr.Fife have footnotes or other references for

his statements?

" Belief " , imo, lies in the realm of religions. For health and diet,

I much prefer scientific evidence when it is available.

Alobar

On 12/13/08, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Duncan:

>

> Dr. Peat said it in his first sentence -

>

> ....promoting its conversion into Pregnenolone. It doesn't take very much

> Preg to start the Cascade and not all VCO is rinsed anymore.

>

> There is no guessing involved here. Many people write to Dr. Fife and

> explain IN DETAIL how the VCO has changed their hormones, their Menopause,

> their PMS, their Prostate conditions and on and on and....

>

> You only NEED TO READ IT and then BELIEVE IT.

>

> Bonnie

>

[Guest guest]

I never used Red Palm oil, except as an annointing oil in Voudoo

ceremonies, but from what I have read, two different Palm oils are

used as food. One tastes really nasty. That is the healthy oil.

The other tastes good, but that has very little in the way of health

benefits.

Alobar

On 12/12/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> I didn't look for quotes on Red Palm Oil, but basically, waxy, bitter

> plant parts generally contain more sterols. Hops for example is very

> sticky, waxy and bitter, while most food oils are rather bland.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I must have the healthy one then. Because it sure does taste NASTY!

I was not expecting that. I have a friend that always talks about cooking

with it (a long distance friend)

And nobody had warned me. After the first few attempts to use it, it has

been sitting now, waiting for me to find a use for it.

Exactly why might I need it or should use it?

I wish somebody that lived near me wanted it, I¹d just give it to them

unless there is some reason for me to need it....

Chantelle

On 12/13/08 3:15 PM, " Alobar " <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I never used Red Palm oil, except as an annointing oil in Voudoo

> ceremonies, but from what I have read, two different Palm oils are

> used as food. One tastes really nasty. That is the healthy oil.

> The other tastes good, but that has very little in the way of health

> benefits.

>

> Alobar

>

> On 12/12/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@... <mailto:duncancrow%40>

> > wrote:

>> > I didn't look for quotes on Red Palm Oil, but basically, waxy, bitter

>> > plant parts generally contain more sterols. Hops for example is very

>> > sticky, waxy and bitter, while most food oils are rather bland.

>> >

>> > Duncan

>> >

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

Where did you find this reference that you quoted below?

Why would there be a reference for this remark that Bruce made? I have the

book, if you want me to look it up but I don't think it came from a

published study but it is perhaps just a known fact. I don't understand

about your intestines making hormones but then I don't know much anyway. But

I do believe what other EDUCATED people say and Bruce is/was a Naturopath so

he must know.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 10, 2008 3:54 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Bonnie, Here's the passage I'm referring to: " The greatest degree of

protection comes to those who have a healthy digestive tract, because

the type of flora present will affect the production of the

Phytochemicals " .

Again, phytochemicals from bacterial action was the comment I wanted

to check and ther should be a reference for the comment. I only asked

for the reference because you've been mentioning other things in the

book so I thought you had it.

Duncan

> > > >> Hello Everyone:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> When I write (what I feel is) an interesting email, NO ONE

> > REPLIES.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bonnie Cole wrote:

> Duncan:

>

> Why would there be a reference for this remark that Bruce made? I have the

> book, if you want me to look it up but I don't think it came from a

> published study but it is perhaps just a known fact.

Bonnie,

There are many " known facts " that are not facts and are quite wrong. In

th is instance Dr. Fife or Duncan may or may not be right, but saying

something is a " known fact " says nothing convincing to me. It was once

known that the sun revolved aroung the earth, LOL.

sol

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

I like the whole idea of ANTI-AGING but when Lab Tests say that a normal

Testosterone level should be 10-45 and mine is 699, something needs to be

done to lower it, wouldn't you say?

Could I get your mailing address for that cheque?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 13, 2008 5:06 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Hi Bonnie; it seems like pregnenolone might be elevated by conversion

of cholesterol to preg, is what the fellas wrote. If it had been

proven, the thyroid and other hormonal changes should also be noted to

rule out that the elevated preg is part of a balanced anti-aging

process. After all, these hormones at better-than-elderly values are

all associated with youthfulness.

I don't do belief that well; I need data for health purposes.

Duncan

> >

> > Duncan:

> >

> > For crying out loud, don't make me PROVE it to you. Have you not

> read any of

> > Dr. Fife's books? HE does the research. You only need to read what

> I read

> > and look up the reference. I didn't say it contained hormones I

said

> it

> > CONTAINS a substance SIMILAR to Pregnenolone. Dr. Fife said it NOT

> ME.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan:

You can't lower Testosterone by jacking up other hormones. It's not

Cortisol.

I believe it came from the VCO as Radiation destroys the Ovaries ability to

produce hormones, so I wonder where else we can make Testosterone.

You wrote anti-addiction trial at the bottom of this email? What's that?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 14, 2008 5:02 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan DATA on VCO and hormones

Bonnie, I'm not an endocrinologist but yes, I'd say something should

be be done; I think the endo might have to jack up other hormones to

achieve more of a balance in addition to doing who-knows to reduce

that much testosterone creation in a woman.

So, anti-aging should still be possible because all it does anyway is

maintain your growth hormones higher than elderly levels normally are.

As you seek to balance the higher testosterone you might be building

up your other longevity hormones somewhat so you might get some anti-

aging benefit anyway, but I'm not sure an endo can do it better than

simply feeding your body a few selected amino acids so your body can

perhaps restore its own balance. And, your readings might be all over

the place because of the cancer, might they not? In that case your

watchful waiting is not over yet.

Regardless, there's no bad time to start anti-aging, because what it

produces is optimal health. I think anyone over 30 is a candidate.

I'd love to take your cheque Bonnie or anyone, or a credit card

donation via http://Paypal. <http://Paypal.com> com to societyshaw (DOT)

<mailto:society%40shaw.ca> ca for the anti-

addiction trial.

Duncan Crow

http://members. <http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow> shaw.ca/duncancrow

6156 Sumas Rd

Duncan BC Canada V9L4R3

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> > > Duncan:

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> > > For crying out loud, don't make me PROVE it to you. Have you not

> > read any of

> > > Dr. Fife's books? HE does the research. You only need to read

what

> > I read

> > > and look up the reference. I didn't say it contained hormones I

> said

> > it

> > > CONTAINS a substance SIMILAR to Pregnenolone. Dr. Fife said it

NOT

> > ME.

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