Re: VCO and hormones

[Guest guest]

Bonnie Cole wrote:

> No Acne, I'm 65. Well, I can get mad but then I always could.

> You took 2.5 mg. for just that one day?

>

Yep, the sudden out of proportion rage scared the crap out of me. I cut

down to 1.25 mg without that reaction, but after a few days began to

break out in my hairline and on my face. I'm 62, and that is a bit old

for acne, LOL. not a good look........ I am now trying 1.25 mg just a

couple days a week to see if I can tolerate it that way.

sol

[Guest guest]

PVCs ????

Bonnie Cole wrote:

> if you're going to take Zinc on a regular basis, you should

> also be supplementing with a bit of Copper each day (2 mg.) as Zinc forces

> you to expel Copper which can cause PVC's over time.

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[Guest guest]

What is the purpose of DHEA?

Why were you trying to take it sol?

Do you take it Bonnie?

Chantelle

On 12/5/08 10:07 PM, " sol " <solbun@...> wrote:

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> Bonnie Cole wrote:

>> > No Acne, I'm 65. Well, I can get mad but then I always could.

>> > You took 2.5 mg. for just that one day?

>> >

> Yep, the sudden out of proportion rage scared the crap out of me. I cut

> down to 1.25 mg without that reaction, but after a few days began to

> break out in my hairline and on my face. I'm 62, and that is a bit old

> for acne, LOL. not a good look........ I am now trying 1.25 mg just a

> couple days a week to see if I can tolerate it that way.

> sol

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie, if a water supply is a tad " aggressive " , meaning it slowly

dissolves copper pipes like it does in Duncan BC, which has the best

municipal water in Canada, one probably does not need to supplement

with copper because it's already in the water supply. Wouldn't want to

see people get too much copper! I take zinc 50 mg daily and not

copper!

Duncan

> >

> > Hello Everyone:

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> > When I write (what I feel is) an interesting email, NO ONE

REPLIES.

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> > This is so weird.

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> > Bonnie

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[Guest guest]

DHEA is one of the master hormones in the body. But when the endocrine

system has gone awry for any reason it can go too low as mine is. I was

simply wanting to supplement what I have tested low in.

Just like I supplement thyroid and cortisol. DHEA is important to

balance the effects of cortisol.

It is one of the anabolic hormones that rebuild and construct tissue,

according to Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, M.D. Author of the book The Hormone

Solution. He covers the subject of DHEA extensively in that book.

Chantelle wrote:

> What is the purpose of DHEA?

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> Why were you trying to take it sol?

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> Do you take it Bonnie?

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> Chantelle

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[Guest guest]

Thanks! I hope to read and study more about all that stuff soon. Have

several books I¹m studying right now. Will keep this on a list to check into

chantelle

On 12/6/08 1:17 PM, " sol " <solbun@...> wrote:

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> DHEA is one of the master hormones in the body. But when the endocrine

> system has gone awry for any reason it can go too low as mine is. I was

> simply wanting to supplement what I have tested low in.

> Just like I supplement thyroid and cortisol. DHEA is important to

> balance the effects of cortisol.

> It is one of the anabolic hormones that rebuild and construct tissue,

> according to Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, M.D. Author of the book The Hormone

> Solution. He covers the subject of DHEA extensively in that book.

> Chantelle wrote:

>> > What is the purpose of DHEA?

>> >

>> > Why were you trying to take it sol?

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>> > Do you take it Bonnie?

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>> > Chantelle

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[Guest guest]

You should check out www.raypeat.com for another opinion on how to treat low

DHEA. I

don't think the protocol is different than what you are describing.

Joan

> > What is the purpose of DHEA?

> >

> > Why were you trying to take it sol?

> >

> > Do you take it Bonnie?

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> > Chantelle

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[Guest guest]

Sol:

DHEA gets low WITH AGE, not for any other reason but just that WE RUN OUT OF

IT. I don't know that it has any purpose of it's own but does cascade into

Testosterone and then into Estradiol, in that order I believe. So if you

were low in either Testosterone OR Estradiol, you would supplement with

DHEA., rather than try to supplement with the actual hormone would can be

difficult to get right.

And yes, it does put a damper on Cortisol.

I'm off all hormones right now, till I get my levels back to normal. VCO put

my hormones WAY TOO HIGH because of my intestinal poor health I believe.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of sol

Sent: December 6, 2008 3:18 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: VCO and hormones

DHEA is one of the master hormones in the body. But when the endocrine

system has gone awry for any reason it can go too low as mine is. I was

simply wanting to supplement what I have tested low in.

Just like I supplement thyroid and cortisol. DHEA is important to

balance the effects of cortisol.

It is one of the anabolic hormones that rebuild and construct tissue,

according to Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, M.D. Author of the book The Hormone

Solution. He covers the subject of DHEA extensively in that book.

Chantelle wrote:

> What is the purpose of DHEA?

>

> Why were you trying to take it sol?

>

> Do you take it Bonnie?

>

> Chantelle

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>

[Guest guest]

Age related decrease of anything happens for a reason. Something else

has slowed down, or changed.

Sometimes you must supplement only the hormones that are actually

missing, because sometimes the hormone conversions simply do not work

according to a chart the way they are supposed to.

I have read reports from many people who do well supplementing the end

product hormones they need, but get very much worse supplementing DHEA.

Some of those do ok with supplementing pregnenolone, some do not. It all

depends on how the conversions work in any individual.

DHEA also balances cortisol. Cortisol is catabolic, DHEA is anabolic.

sol

Bonnie Cole wrote:

> Sol:

>

>

>

> DHEA gets low WITH AGE, not for any other reason but just that WE RUN OUT OF

> IT. I don't know that it has any purpose of it's own but does cascade into

> Testosterone and then into Estradiol, in that order I believe. So if you

> were low in either Testosterone OR Estradiol, you would supplement with

> DHEA., rather than try to supplement with the actual hormone would can be

> difficult to get right.

>

>

>

> And yes, it does put a damper on Cortisol.

>

>

>

> I'm off all hormones right now, till I get my levels back to normal. VCO put

> my hormones WAY TOO HIGH because of my intestinal poor health I believe.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The way I understand it from the anti-aging specialists that I hosted

here for seminars, Sol, is that it's HGH that falls with age and this

fails to repair the whole body including the other, so the glands have

incorrect output. This is why when we maintain HGH at youthful levels

the other " failed " glands actually recover and maintain correct output

again at the younger level.

Duncan

> > Sol:

> >

> >

> >

> > DHEA gets low WITH AGE, not for any other reason but just that WE

RUN OUT OF

> > IT. I don't know that it has any purpose of it's own but does

cascade into

> > Testosterone and then into Estradiol, in that order I believe. So

if you

> > were low in either Testosterone OR Estradiol, you would supplement

with

> > DHEA., rather than try to supplement with the actual hormone would

can be

> > difficult to get right.

> >

> >

> >

> > And yes, it does put a damper on Cortisol.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm off all hormones right now, till I get my levels back to

normal. VCO put

> > my hormones WAY TOO HIGH because of my intestinal poor health I

believe.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Like I was telling Bonnie, what's age-related to a drop in DHEA and

other hormonal secretion is reduced repair to the glands due to

reduced secretion of HGH growth hormone. When you maintain HGH for

awhile the glandular outputs usually normalize again to more youthful

levels; this shows you don't " run out of " DHEA. This is the primary

reason that specialists do not play with hormonal values until the

client has maintained youthful HGH levels for at least 6 months.

Duncan

> > Sol:

> >

> >

> >

> > DHEA gets low WITH AGE, not for any other reason but just that WE

RUN OUT OF

> > IT. I don't know that it has any purpose of it's own but does

cascade into

> > Testosterone and then into Estradiol, in that order I believe. So

if you

> > were low in either Testosterone OR Estradiol, you would supplement

with

> > DHEA., rather than try to supplement with the actual hormone would

can be

> > difficult to get right.

> >

> >

> >

> > And yes, it does put a damper on Cortisol.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm off all hormones right now, till I get my levels back to

normal. VCO put

> > my hormones WAY TOO HIGH because of my intestinal poor health I

believe.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Like I was telling Bonnie, what's age-related to a drop in DHEA and

> other hormonal secretion is reduced repair to the glands due to

> reduced secretion of HGH growth hormone. When you maintain HGH for

> awhile the glandular outputs usually normalize again to more youthful

> levels; this shows you don't " run out of " DHEA. This is the primary

> reason that specialists do not play with hormonal values until the

> client has maintained youthful HGH levels for at least 6 months.

>

> Duncan

>

So strange that you mention that, Duncan -- I just got my thyroid tests

back today and I now need less Synthroid than before... it's been stable

for a long time (years) at 100 mcg and now the doc says I should drop to

88 mcg. I've been on SomaLife gHP (to increase my own HGH release) for

about 8 months now. I can't help but wonder if, as you said, my thyroid

gland (and others) are healing and repairing and so I need less

medicine.

What do you think, Duncan? Am I interpreting correctly?

Joanna P

www.somalife.net/joannap <http://www.somalife.net/joannap>

[Guest guest]

Joanna, yes, I think it's very likely that you had to reduce your

thyroid meds because your glands are healing as your whole body

becomes more youthful with the SomaLife gHP. During the period from 6

months to 2 years on the treatment the benefits accumulate in a very

pronounced way; like the doctors said, aging is treatable and I'm glad

it's working for you.

Duncan

> >

> > Like I was telling Bonnie, what's age-related to a drop in DHEA

and

> > other hormonal secretion is reduced repair to the glands due to

> > reduced secretion of HGH growth hormone. When you maintain HGH for

> > awhile the glandular outputs usually normalize again to more

youthful

> > levels; this shows you don't " run out of " DHEA. This is the

primary

> > reason that specialists do not play with hormonal values until the

> > client has maintained youthful HGH levels for at least 6 months.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

> So strange that you mention that, Duncan -- I just got my thyroid

tests

> back today and I now need less Synthroid than before... it's been

stable

> for a long time (years) at 100 mcg and now the doc says I should

drop to

> 88 mcg. I've been on SomaLife gHP (to increase my own HGH release)

for

> about 8 months now. I can't help but wonder if, as you said, my

thyroid

> gland (and others) are healing and repairing and so I need less

> medicine.

>

> What do you think, Duncan? Am I interpreting correctly?

>

> Joanna P

> www.somalife.net/joannap <http://www.somalife.net/joannap>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

You keep mentioning the " anti-aging doctors " and " the doctors. " Who

are these doctors?

Do you have a link (other than a tinyurl maybe? I just like to know

where I'm going before I click.)? Thanks!

>

like the doctors said, aging is treatable and I'm glad

> it's working for you.

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi nah; I've hosted four seminars in which three of North

America's most sought after presenters, all of whom have anti-aging

clinics, were present to speak. Dr. McLeod of Salmon Arm BC

and Dr. Philip White of Kelowna BC delivered information on SomaLife

gHP as well as diet, detoxification, antioxidants, anti-aging and age-

related degeneration, immune support etc.

All three doctors are members of the American Academy of Anti-Aging

Medicine. I'm not aware of their websites if they have them, but Dr.

MacLeod and Dr. White are on the medical advisory panel for SomaLife

Health Products so can no doubt be reached with emails to SomaLife.

You can also get the same information on SomaLife's weekly conference

calls and I have saved about a dozen of those calls, primarily with

Dr. Ron Myers, an American anti-aging specialist in California. Dr.

Myers was one of the researchers that tested more than 100 HGH-

soundalike products before 1999 and found them to not deliver the HGH

increase needed, which is 30 ng/ml.

Anyway, so the best link is actually SomaLife's site because you can

take the opportunity to participate in the M.D.s and N.D.s dialogue on

anti-aging and health subjects. Here's the tinyurl link to my

corporate somalife presence:

http://tinyurl.com/somalife

I'm using Google Chrome to browse; it does not click through tinyurl

links but instead opens the tinyurl page that shows you where you can

optionally go with one more click.

Duncan

> >

> like the doctors said, aging is treatable and I'm glad

> > it's working for you.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Duncan,

FWIW, I am currently experimenting with reducing my thyroid dose, as

I've been feeling like I'm getting too much lately. I am not taking

SomaLife, but I AM taking my own version of it. I have been doing this

for quite a long time, off and on for around a year, and pretty

consistently since the first of October.

The only other thing going on with me that I think could be reducing

my thyroid requirement is that I've been donating blood and reducing my

iron overload, with iron blockers and chelators, and a couple minor diet

changes. Excess iron does harm the thyroid gland, and some people

reportedly have had their thyroids return to normal function after

getting rid of their iron overload.

sol

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Joanna, yes, I think it's very likely that you had to reduce your

> thyroid meds because your glands are healing as your whole body

> becomes more youthful with the SomaLife gHP. During the period from 6

> months to 2 years on the treatment the benefits accumulate in a very

> pronounced way; like the doctors said, aging is treatable and I'm glad

> it's working for you.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing Sol; another thing I'd point out to readers is that

when people go on a better diet they often start using better fats;

that alone would bring up thyroid levels by removing the direct

thyroid suppression caused by polyunsaturated fats.

I'm glad you are taking steps to reduce free iron; it's a huge

oxidizer, linked to lots of oxidative conditions and " age-related "

illnesses.

Duncan

> > Joanna, yes, I think it's very likely that you had to reduce your

> > thyroid meds because your glands are healing as your whole body

> > becomes more youthful with the SomaLife gHP. During the period

from 6

> > months to 2 years on the treatment the benefits accumulate in a

very

> > pronounced way; like the doctors said, aging is treatable and I'm

glad

> > it's working for you.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan Crow wrote:

> Thanks for sharing Sol; another thing I'd point out to readers is that

> when people go on a better diet they often start using better fats;

> that alone would bring up thyroid levels by removing the direct

> thyroid suppression caused by polyunsaturated fats.

>

Yes, that certainly could be part of it.

> I'm glad you are taking steps to reduce free iron; iot's a huge

> oxidizer, linked to lots of oxidative conditions and " age-related "

> illnesses.

>

We certainly can agree on that. Since I started seriously researching

iron issues, I've been astounded by just how harmful it is. Actually, it

could turn out to be a quite major part of my complex of health

problems. The day after my first blood donation, I woke up with pain

free knees and hips, and no other pains either. An amazing experience to

be painfree, really truly zero pain for the first time in decades. And I

had more energy for a few days. The lack of pain didn't last past the

second day before it started creeping back, but it made me realize how

much pain I live with daily, even on my very good days. The second

donation didn't produce the pain relief, but I did experience more

energy, and that has lasted a full 7 days now. I hope this continues

through future donations. I will probably continue donating indefinitely

as it is just a good thing to do.

sol