Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Then, which manufacturers should we believe in, ? Ridiculous Claims Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 , do some more googleing and you will find info that backs the claims about helping people with AIDS to bring down their viral load to almost zero and extended their lives by over a decade. show me another product or drug that can do that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Because Big Pharma and their AMA drug pushers can't make lots of $$$$$$$$$$ off of coconut oil so there's no reason to bother with it. > > Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I believe you mistake the purpose and intent of the FDA and the pharmaceutical and medical industries.They ARE industries, and will ONLY investigate or market or even acknowledge any value in substances that can be patented. It is about money, not about the welfare or health of the U.S. population. The only health that gets any notice is the health of the profits of the pharms. Viz the many instances on record of the FDA overriding the recommendations of its own investigative panels, to allow dangerous and harmful drugs to go to market. sol Garza wrote: > Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 OK folks, let us not feed the troll. Re: Ridiculous Claims I believe you mistake the purpose and intent of the FDA and the pharmaceutical and medical industries.They ARE industries, and will ONLY investigate or market or even acknowledge any value in substances that can be patented. It is about money, not about the welfare or health of the U.S. population. The only health that gets any notice is the health of the profits of the pharms. Viz the many instances on record of the FDA overriding the recommendations of its own investigative panels, to allow dangerous and harmful drugs to go to market. sol Garza wrote: > Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi everyone, I've been lurking for a few weeks but haven't had a reason to comment until now. This is a great group and I've learned much from you all. I'm approaching coconut oil with a completely open mind. I've been taking the VCO off and on for several months now, and regularly for the past couple of months. My main reason is for weight loss, as I am severely overweight, to the point that I can no longer work. I could write at length about my weight, but suffice to say that I have been dieting most of my life (I'm now 53). I'm sure I've lost hundreds of pounds throughout the years. The only problem is that everytime I lose weight, I end up gaining it all back and then some, which I believe is what has gotten me to this point. I have therefore resolved to never again go on a diet, but I'm not losing any weight, either, so I'm stuck. Unfortunately, I have to say that I haven't lost any weight from the coconut oil, nor have I noticed any appreciable health benefits. That's not to say I haven't derived any, as the coconut oil could be having effects such as strengthening my immune system, which is something that I would not necessarily notice. I'd like to say to to consider that cocnuts are a 100% natural, whole food put on this earth by God (or nature, or whatever you choose to call it). Billions of people have been consuming coconuts for thousands of years. In fact, in many places, people have had no choice but to consume large amounts of coconuts, for there is not much else they can eat, except maybe fish. To this day, coconut oil is the main cooking oil used in many countries. If what western medical science (and ) say is true, then millions of people would be keeling over from heart attacks in these countries, while we in the west, with our " heart healthy " polyunsaturated oils, would enjoy a very low incidence of heart disease. And yet, precisely the reverse is true. The notion that nature is completely inept at designing foods, while corporations are easily able to do what nature cannot, is absurd. It may be that claims of coconut oil's benefits have been exaggerated; I don't know. However, there is no doubt that claims of its harmfulness have indeed been exaggerated. I'd rather put my faith in nature than in Big Business. Steve Ridiculous Claims Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yup > OK folks, let us not feed the troll. Good call... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 You might want to look into Leptin resistance. Both " the Rosedale Diet " and " Mastering Leptin " are good books to read. 5 years ago I had never heard of Leptin, but I managed to piece together a diet which is helps with Leptin resistance. I have lost 110 pounds, and have kept it off. Alobar On 10/20/08, Esteban (Steve) Delgado <esdel@...> wrote: > Hi everyone, I've been lurking for a few weeks but haven't had a reason to > comment until now. This is a great group and I've learned much from you > all. > > I'm approaching coconut oil with a completely open mind. I've been taking > the VCO off and on for several months now, and regularly for the past couple > of months. My main reason is for weight loss, as I am severely overweight, > to the point that I can no longer work. I could write at length about my > weight, but suffice to say that I have been dieting most of my life (I'm now > 53). I'm sure I've lost hundreds of pounds throughout the years. The only > problem is that everytime I lose weight, I end up gaining it all back and > then some, which I believe is what has gotten me to this point. I have > therefore resolved to never again go on a diet, but I'm not losing any > weight, either, so I'm stuck. > > Unfortunately, I have to say that I haven't lost any weight from the coconut > oil, nor have I noticed any appreciable health benefits. That's not to say > I haven't derived any, as the coconut oil could be having effects such as > strengthening my immune system, which is something that I would not > necessarily notice. > > Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Alobar wrote: > You might want to look into Leptin resistance. Both " the Rosedale > Diet " and " Mastering Leptin " are good books to read. > > 5 years ago I had never heard of Leptin, but I managed to piece > together a diet which is helps with Leptin resistance. I have lost > 110 pounds, and have kept it off. > > Alobar > Would you care to read this article and share your comments: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/04/020419065142.htm Thanks KJ > On 10/20/08, Esteban (Steve) Delgado <esdel@...> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I've been lurking for a few weeks but haven't had a reason to >> comment until now. This is a great group and I've learned much from you >> all. >> >> I'm approaching coconut oil with a completely open mind. I've been taking >> the VCO off and on for several months now, and regularly for the past couple >> of months. My main reason is for weight loss, as I am severely overweight, >> to the point that I can no longer work. I could write at length about my >> weight, but suffice to say that I have been dieting most of my life (I'm now >> 53). I'm sure I've lost hundreds of pounds throughout the years. The only >> problem is that everytime I lose weight, I end up gaining it all back and >> then some, which I believe is what has gotten me to this point. I have >> therefore resolved to never again go on a diet, but I'm not losing any >> weight, either, so I'm stuck. >> >> Unfortunately, I have to say that I haven't lost any weight from the coconut >> oil, nor have I noticed any appreciable health benefits. That's not to say >> I haven't derived any, as the coconut oil could be having effects such as >> strengthening my immune system, which is something that I would not >> necessarily notice. >> >> Steve >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I did a google search for " protein tyrosine phosphatase 1B " mentioned in the article. It sure does not seem to be aprotein or anything found in food. Seems more like a drug, which makes me very suspicious. I think I stick with a diet which decreases leptin resistance, at least until I read more about it in English rather than in scientific jargon language. Alobar On 10/21/08, grumpygubbe <grumpygubbe@...> wrote: > Alobar wrote: > > You might want to look into Leptin resistance. Both " the Rosedale > > Diet " and " Mastering Leptin " are good books to read. > > > > 5 years ago I had never heard of Leptin, but I managed to piece > > together a diet which is helps with Leptin resistance. I have lost > > 110 pounds, and have kept it off. > > > > Alobar > > > > Would you care to read this article and share your comments: > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/04/020419065142.htm > > > Thanks > KJ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thank you, I came to the same conclusions. May I ask what in your diet specifically addresses Leptine resistance. /KJ Alobar wrote: > I did a google search for " protein tyrosine phosphatase 1B " mentioned > in the article. It sure does not seem to be aprotein or anything > found in food. Seems more like a drug, which makes me very > suspicious. I think I stick with a diet which decreases leptin > resistance, at least until I read more about it in English rather than > in scientific jargon language. > > Alobar > > On 10/21/08, grumpygubbe <grumpygubbe@...> wrote: > >> Alobar wrote: >> > You might want to look into Leptin resistance. Both " the Rosedale >> > Diet " and " Mastering Leptin " are good books to read. >> > >> > 5 years ago I had never heard of Leptin, but I managed to piece >> > together a diet which is helps with Leptin resistance. I have lost >> > 110 pounds, and have kept it off. >> > >> > Alobar >> > >> >> Would you care to read this article and share your comments: >> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/04/020419065142.htm >> >> >> Thanks >> KJ >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I am still reading the books. I am still absorbing all the background research. So I am not real sure exactly what I have been doing which aids the process of getting rid of Leptin resistance. I suspect coconut oil, whey protein isolate, plenty of omega 3 oils help a lot. Leptin resistance is tied to insulin resistance. I have been unable to obtain grass fed beef for the past few months so I am eating corn fed beef which is high in omega 6 oil. And my fasting blood glucose has jumped 20-30 points. By the way, in one of the leptin books I recommended (I forget which one) the author talked about how drug companies were searching for some drug which would help with leptin resistance and make them lots of money. Alobar On 10/21/08, grumpygubbe <grumpygubbe@...> wrote: > Thank you, I came to the same conclusions. May I ask what in your diet > specifically addresses Leptine resistance. > > /KJ > > > Alobar wrote: > > I did a google search for " protein tyrosine phosphatase 1B " mentioned > > in the article. It sure does not seem to be aprotein or anything > > found in food. Seems more like a drug, which makes me very > > suspicious. I think I stick with a diet which decreases leptin > > resistance, at least until I read more about it in English rather than > > in scientific jargon language. > > > > Alobar > > > > On 10/21/08, grumpygubbe <grumpygubbe@...> wrote: > > > >> Alobar wrote: > >> > You might want to look into Leptin resistance. Both " the Rosedale > >> > Diet " and " Mastering Leptin " are good books to read. > >> > > >> > 5 years ago I had never heard of Leptin, but I managed to piece > >> > together a diet which is helps with Leptin resistance. I have lost > >> > 110 pounds, and have kept it off. > >> > > >> > Alobar > >> > > >> > >> Would you care to read this article and share your comments: > >> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/04/020419065142.htm > > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> KJ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hello I cannot believe you said that. Of course, a producer of CO (coconut oil) is going to be delighted to hear about great results from his product but most of these stories come from users who have nothing to do with making a profit on it. The people who give the Nobel prize cannot give the prize for every wonderful result that occurs from a fruit or a vegetable or an herb because there have been too many such great results. I admit I only know that the Nobel prize is given for various achievements and how infiltrated by the drug companies they might be I wouldn't know. My guess is the pharmaceutical industry is well entrenched there as they are everywhere else trying to influence all education in their interest. The pharma industry does not want you to know about how foods and/or supplements might help prevent and/ or cure disease. They must hate the new discoveries concerning Vitamin D. People often say, when I mention all the things the drug companies do to actually prevent our good health, " Well, I'm sure they don't want us to die, do they? " , they ask. No, they don't want you die. A dead person cannot buy their drugs. The drug companies only want you to be sick for as long as possible. They make a fortune and money buys power which they weild in government, medical schools, universities, hospitals and anywhere they can influence the use of drugs. That's why the FDA and every equivalent health agency of any country in infiltrated by pharma companies. When an opening occurs in the FDA, often people from the drug cos. fill those positions. I would not be surprised to learn that some of these people are on two payrolls ...one from the drug industry and the other from the FDA. These people are pretty much allowed to do as they please in the FDA because the politicians know nothing about medicine relying heavily on 'experts' and you can be sure those experts do not include from anyone thought to be a health 'nut'. When it comes to foods such as CO and others, a producer is not allowed to legally say that their products help anything. If they do, the FDA considers that food a drug which conjures up all sorts of restrictions and additional expenses. The FDA does not have your health in its interests. For example, it should be great news to find out that eating a few cherries can eliminate and prevent gout for some people. You would think that the FDA, who is supposed to have our health and wellbeing at heart, would be happy to announce this wonderful attribute of cherries. But no, instead they forbade the cherry industry from saying anything to that effect when marketing their cherries. You said.... " So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries .... " (see below). People have heard from other people how it has helped them to lose weight. People who added the CO to their regimin had blood tests later and found their cholesterol was lower. It wasn't just some claim from a manufacturer. Wouldn't it be tragic if you found years from now that you could have prevented or even cured some disease had you taken more of the Coconut Oil? To see the politics involved in medicine, read a book called, " World without cancer " . Do you know that the pharmaceutical industry already knows the cure for many of the diseases we now suffer? If they make them available, and people actually get better with little or no prescription drugs, how will they make their money? To cure cancer, for example, is often easier than curing a cold and they know it. How would they be able to suck all that money 'for research' out of the public, if they provided a cure ....for any disease you wish to name? When a good product like CO comes along, the manufactures don't even have to say all those good things about it. The people who use the oil will tell the world and they do. Don't feel bad when you figure it all out and find that your attitude now is all wrong. It happened to me, too. I couldn't believe, at first, that the drug companies would want you to be sick and their big aim was to find ''the cure " . How naive I was. Helen Ridiculous Claims Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hi, Alobar, I've read all your posts since I joined the group and I really admire what you've accomplished. I lost 135 lbs on the Zone diet. It took me several years, and I was starving the whole time. I still had a good 70-80 lbs to go, when I hit a plateau that I just couldn't break. I even chatted with Barry Sears online once; his advice was to cut the carbs and up the fat accordingly. Here I was, barely eating anything, and his advice was to cut back even more (sorry, but eating a tiny bit more olive oil doesn't make up for giving up what few carbs I was eating). Long story short: I quit the Zone, went on Atkins for a few weeks and followed it religiously, even went into ketosis, but lost not one ounce. I was also sick to my stomach the whole time I was on Atkins. I quit Atkins and by that time I was so ravenously hungry after starving myself for so long that I ate everything in sight. It's now 5 years later and I've regained the 135 lbs, and then some. I now seem to be unable to lose weight whether I eat a little or a lot, so I've stopped trying. I read Mastering Leptin a couple of years ago, but I don't remember much about it (I used to read so many diet books, they all kind of blurred together). I seem to recall that it was a rather food- restrictive diet, so I never tried it. By " food-restrictive, " I mean a diet that limits the types of foods you can eat, as opposed to a diet that limits calories. Unfortunately, neither type of diet has ever worked for me. When I restrict the types of foods I can eat (such as Atkins), I'm constantly craving the forbidden foods. Also, I tend to feel sick to my stomach all the time. When I limit calories, I'm starving all the time. A diet like the Zone, which restricts both the types and the amount of food you can eat, hit me hard on both fronts. I've noticed that there are many diets out there that, even though they approach the problem from a different angle, boil down to the same thing: lean meats, low-glycemic vegetables, and a little bit of fat (usually olive oil). Being of Spanish heritage, I've eaten olive oil all my life, so that's no problem. However, we also eat a lot of rice. For years I gave up all refined grains and ate only brown rice, quinoa, whole wheat bread, etc., but I can't lose weight eating whole grains anymore than refined grains. I also have a very strong sweet tooth that I can't shake. Many diets claim that, if you do them long enough, you'll get used to eating that way and it will become a " lifestyle change. " However, that has never worked for me, even after being on the Zone for several years. I'm sorry, I'm rambling here. In a nutshell, my problem is that any kind of diet makes me feel DEPRIVED. The effects of this deprivation are not only psychological, but physiological as well (feeling sick to my stomach). The only way to cure obesity, in my opinion, is to make what you want to eat be in line with what you need to eat in order to maintain a normal weight. That's how it works in " normal " people; they don't have to think how to eat, anymore than they have to think how to breathe. It's supposed to be a self-regulating system, but for some reason, it gets totally out of whack in some people (and in some worse than in others). After reading Bruce Fife's website and purchasing his books, I was really excited about the idea that eating coconut oil might somehow correct whatever is wrong. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be doing anything for me. I'll keep trying, though, because it could be working so slowly that I haven't noticed it yet, given the amount of weight I need to lose. I do have a quick question for you: I was just reading about the Rosedale diet on Amazon, and one of the reviewers wrote that acoording to Rosedale, saturated fat is bad and you should only eat olive oil. Is that true? If so, how do you square that with eating coconut oil? Thanks for reading this long post (if you made it this far!). I will dig out the Leptin book again and check it out. Steve > > Hi everyone, I've been lurking for a few weeks but haven't had a reason to > > comment until now. This is a great group and I've learned much from you > > all. > > > > I'm approaching coconut oil with a completely open mind. I've been taking > > the VCO off and on for several months now, and regularly for the past couple > > of months. My main reason is for weight loss, as I am severely overweight, > > to the point that I can no longer work. I could write at length about my > > weight, but suffice to say that I have been dieting most of my life (I'm now > > 53). I'm sure I've lost hundreds of pounds throughout the years. The only > > problem is that everytime I lose weight, I end up gaining it all back and > > then some, which I believe is what has gotten me to this point. I have > > therefore resolved to never again go on a diet, but I'm not losing any > > weight, either, so I'm stuck. > > > > Unfortunately, I have to say that I haven't lost any weight from the coconut > > oil, nor have I noticed any appreciable health benefits. That's not to say > > I haven't derived any, as the coconut oil could be having effects such as > > strengthening my immune system, which is something that I would not > > necessarily notice. > > > > Steve > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Should you find the whole idea of VCO ridiculous, might I suggest that you make postings on a more appropriate forum than this coconut oil arena Perhaps you could join, or form, we like partially hydrogenated oil and write yourself messages. I don't know about VCO being ridiculous although I do know that in areas such as the countries found in the Indian Ocean, the poor who take VCO as normal diet in large proportions, look and act very healthily My guess is that they are possibly in better shape than we are. What oil do you like? > > Then, which manufacturers should we believe in, ? > > Ridiculous Claims > > > Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. > Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as > herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community > would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do > people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your > cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done > irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A > sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but > not for what it manufacturers want you to think. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Once I managed to work thru my carb addiction, I have no problem staying on my diet. Yes, it is quite limited in what I can eat, but it is satisfying. So I so not get cravings, I feel satiated, and I very rarely have any desire to cheat. Right now I am focusing on the overview of leptin rather than the nuts- & -bolts. If I am going to change my eating habits, I need to have excitement and high expectations before restricting myself further. I may feel that the " official " leptin diets are too restrictive, but since I have lost 110 pounds gradually over 5 years, I seem to be doing something my body likes. BTW, I read of some people who lose 150 pounds a year on some diets. To e, losing more than 50 pounds a year is unhealthy. One does not gain 150 pounds a year thru eating. Alobar On 10/21/08, Esteban (Steve) Delgado <esdel@...> wrote: > Hi, Alobar, > > I've read all your posts since I joined the group and I really admire > what you've accomplished. I lost 135 lbs on the Zone diet. It took > me several years, and I was starving the whole time. I still had a > good 70-80 lbs to go, when I hit a plateau that I just couldn't > break. I even chatted with Barry Sears online once; his advice was > to cut the carbs and up the fat accordingly. Here I was, barely > eating anything, and his advice was to cut back even more (sorry, but > eating a tiny bit more olive oil doesn't make up for giving up what > few carbs I was eating). Long story short: I quit the Zone, went on > Atkins for a few weeks and followed it religiously, even went into > ketosis, but lost not one ounce. I was also sick to my stomach the > whole time I was on Atkins. I quit Atkins and by that time I was so > ravenously hungry after starving myself for so long that I ate > everything in sight. It's now 5 years later and I've regained the > 135 lbs, and then some. I now seem to be unable to lose weight > whether I eat a little or a lot, so I've stopped trying. > > I read Mastering Leptin a couple of years ago, but I don't remember > much about it (I used to read so many diet books, they all kind of > blurred together). I seem to recall that it was a rather food- > restrictive diet, so I never tried it. By " food-restrictive, " I mean > a diet that limits the types of foods you can eat, as opposed to a > diet that limits calories. Unfortunately, neither type of diet has > ever worked for me. When I restrict the types of foods I can eat > (such as Atkins), I'm constantly craving the forbidden foods. Also, > I tend to feel sick to my stomach all the time. When I limit > calories, I'm starving all the time. A diet like the Zone, which > restricts both the types and the amount of food you can eat, hit me > hard on both fronts. > > I've noticed that there are many diets out there that, even though > they approach the problem from a different angle, boil down to the > same thing: lean meats, low-glycemic vegetables, and a little bit of > fat (usually olive oil). Being of Spanish heritage, I've eaten olive > oil all my life, so that's no problem. However, we also eat a lot of > rice. For years I gave up all refined grains and ate only brown > rice, quinoa, whole wheat bread, etc., but I can't lose weight eating > whole grains anymore than refined grains. I also have a very strong > sweet tooth that I can't shake. Many diets claim that, if you do > them long enough, you'll get used to eating that way and it will > become a " lifestyle change. " However, that has never worked for me, > even after being on the Zone for several years. > > I'm sorry, I'm rambling here. In a nutshell, my problem is that any > kind of diet makes me feel DEPRIVED. The effects of this deprivation > are not only psychological, but physiological as well (feeling sick > to my stomach). The only way to cure obesity, in my opinion, is to > make what you want to eat be in line with what you need to eat in > order to maintain a normal weight. That's how it works in " normal " > people; they don't have to think how to eat, anymore than they have > to think how to breathe. It's supposed to be a self-regulating > system, but for some reason, it gets totally out of whack in some > people (and in some worse than in others). After reading Bruce > Fife's website and purchasing his books, I was really excited about > the idea that eating coconut oil might somehow correct whatever is > wrong. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be doing anything for me. > I'll keep trying, though, because it could be working so slowly that > I haven't noticed it yet, given the amount of weight I need to lose. > > I do have a quick question for you: I was just reading about the > Rosedale diet on Amazon, and one of the reviewers wrote that > acoording to Rosedale, saturated fat is bad and you should only eat > olive oil. Is that true? If so, how do you square that with eating > coconut oil? > > Thanks for reading this long post (if you made it this far!). I will > dig out the Leptin book again and check it out. > > Steve > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yup, carb addiction, that's my problem for sure. Would you mind elaborating on how you were able to overcome it? I've tried many a time, with no success. Steve D > > Hi, Alobar, > > > > I've read all your posts since I joined the group and I really admire > > what you've accomplished. I lost 135 lbs on the Zone diet. It took > > me several years, and I was starving the whole time. I still had a > > good 70-80 lbs to go, when I hit a plateau that I just couldn't > > break. I even chatted with Barry Sears online once; his advice was > > to cut the carbs and up the fat accordingly. Here I was, barely > > eating anything, and his advice was to cut back even more (sorry, but > > eating a tiny bit more olive oil doesn't make up for giving up what > > few carbs I was eating). Long story short: I quit the Zone, went on > > Atkins for a few weeks and followed it religiously, even went into > > ketosis, but lost not one ounce. I was also sick to my stomach the > > whole time I was on Atkins. I quit Atkins and by that time I was so > > ravenously hungry after starving myself for so long that I ate > > everything in sight. It's now 5 years later and I've regained the > > 135 lbs, and then some. I now seem to be unable to lose weight > > whether I eat a little or a lot, so I've stopped trying. > > > > I read Mastering Leptin a couple of years ago, but I don't remember > > much about it (I used to read so many diet books, they all kind of > > blurred together). I seem to recall that it was a rather food- > > restrictive diet, so I never tried it. By " food-restrictive, " I mean > > a diet that limits the types of foods you can eat, as opposed to a > > diet that limits calories. Unfortunately, neither type of diet has > > ever worked for me. When I restrict the types of foods I can eat > > (such as Atkins), I'm constantly craving the forbidden foods. Also, > > I tend to feel sick to my stomach all the time. When I limit > > calories, I'm starving all the time. A diet like the Zone, which > > restricts both the types and the amount of food you can eat, hit me > > hard on both fronts. > > > > I've noticed that there are many diets out there that, even though > > they approach the problem from a different angle, boil down to the > > same thing: lean meats, low-glycemic vegetables, and a little bit of > > fat (usually olive oil). Being of Spanish heritage, I've eaten olive > > oil all my life, so that's no problem. However, we also eat a lot of > > rice. For years I gave up all refined grains and ate only brown > > rice, quinoa, whole wheat bread, etc., but I can't lose weight eating > > whole grains anymore than refined grains. I also have a very strong > > sweet tooth that I can't shake. Many diets claim that, if you do > > them long enough, you'll get used to eating that way and it will > > become a " lifestyle change. " However, that has never worked for me, > > even after being on the Zone for several years. > > > > I'm sorry, I'm rambling here. In a nutshell, my problem is that any > > kind of diet makes me feel DEPRIVED. The effects of this deprivation > > are not only psychological, but physiological as well (feeling sick > > to my stomach). The only way to cure obesity, in my opinion, is to > > make what you want to eat be in line with what you need to eat in > > order to maintain a normal weight. That's how it works in " normal " > > people; they don't have to think how to eat, anymore than they have > > to think how to breathe. It's supposed to be a self-regulating > > system, but for some reason, it gets totally out of whack in some > > people (and in some worse than in others). After reading Bruce > > Fife's website and purchasing his books, I was really excited about > > the idea that eating coconut oil might somehow correct whatever is > > wrong. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be doing anything for me. > > I'll keep trying, though, because it could be working so slowly that > > I haven't noticed it yet, given the amount of weight I need to lose. > > > > I do have a quick question for you: I was just reading about the > > Rosedale diet on Amazon, and one of the reviewers wrote that > > acoording to Rosedale, saturated fat is bad and you should only eat > > olive oil. Is that true? If so, how do you square that with eating > > coconut oil? > > > > Thanks for reading this long post (if you made it this far!). I will > > dig out the Leptin book again and check it out. > > > > Steve > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 > > > Yup, carb addiction, that's my problem for sure. Would you mind > elaborating on how you were able to overcome it? Sorry for stepping on any toes here, but ... Steve, I am rather in the same boat as you with regards to weight. Up until about nine months ago, all I did was gain, diet (low fat then blood type then low carb then gh0d knows what else) gain, diet, etc... only to find myself so completely blown up, out of proportion and miserable that I was borderline diabetic w/high blood pressure from taking diet pills. Oh, and gall stones too. Did I mention totally hormonal too? For years I have been miserable. As a teenager I can remember being morbidly afraid of being fat and ... here I am - fat and forty. Yes, thank you. Then, earlier this year I read Nourishing Traditions, which completely changed my outlook on eating and health. Once I started eating more fat and meat (not grocery store meat, but healthy stuff from healthy animals) I stopped gaining. CO is in there too with my fats - and lots of it. Now - stopped gaining weight does not mean *losing* weight. I'm dealing with that as we speak and I think those leptin/insulin guys are on to something. If you have a fear of fat, you should really consider reading it (Nourishing Traditions), then combing through www.westonaprice.org - in fact, here's a really good paper on fats: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html It would behoove you to look into it since eating more fat curbs the outrageous need to stuff yourself with carbs. But you gotta eat it and know that you're feeding your body a good thing and toss out what mainstream docs are saying about saturated fat. -vanessa .... pyramid sitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 #1 for me was cutting out carbs. Heroin addicts can't moderate or cut back. Neither could I. The only fruit I eat are avocados. No bread, no grains. Once the craving subsides and I went for 6 months with no high carb foods, I can now have sushi once in a while. Fat satisfies, as does protein. If one were to do an experiment, one could eat pancakes and syrup until one's gut were about to explode. But if one were to pig out on lambchops, one would be satiated far far quicker. I stayed away from sugar substitutes for several years because the taste of sweet triggered cravings. When I tasted sweet, my body told the pancreas to produce more insulin. When no sugar got digested, blood sugar was too low, so the body wanted sugar. Now I can handle small amounts of xylitol (1/4 to 1/2 tsp) once or twice a day and not get cravings. Now I can have small amounts of carbs, but when I started changing my diet, it was rough because I kept trying to limit carbs instead of eliminating them. I ate berries instead of bananas, but that made me crave more sweets or bread. Healthy fats are crucial. Getting rid of unhealthy fats is also important. My main fats are butter from grass fed cows, and coconut oil. Olive oil is good in salads. Small amounts of sesame oil adds good flavor. I never eat fried food unless I fry it at home because restaurants fry in wretched oil. According to the leptin books, if one can switch over from being a carb burner to a fat burner, one loses stored fat. Alobar On 10/21/08, esdel1955 <esdel1955@...> wrote: > > Yup, carb addiction, that's my problem for sure. Would you mind > elaborating on how you were able to overcome it? I've tried many a > time, with no success. > > Steve D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thanks so much for taking the time with that detailed reply. I've tried going cold turkey many times but always warm the turkey back up, LOL. Still, you've given me much to think about. Again, kudos to you. Steve D > > Yup, carb addiction, that's my problem for sure. Would you mind > elaborating on how you were able to overcome it? I've tried many a > time, with no success. > > Steve D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 I¹d be very interested to read the leptin books. I¹ve never been one to crave, except really sporadically. In the last few days I¹ve decided that that really sporadic craving must have been yeast related, since, I so rarely crave and can go literally forever without fruits and grains. I, recently, was trying to incorporate fruits and whole grains back into my diet (can¹t really tell you why, but it seemed to make sense to me at the time). However, in the course of doing so(but unrelated really to doing so), I did something totally uncharacteristic of me. Something I¹ve successfully avoided for years and years. I ate a piece of pizza! Something I do not miss or want normally. (we are in the process of having all of our flooring ripped out downstairs and its been stressful, but I ate it BEFORE they had ripped it out...i don¹t know why I did it...i have no idea really! Didn¹t plan it, it just happened, but its a food I¹m around all the time and NEVER have trouble resisting, so it was so odd!) Anyway, from that I had yeast symptoms and then I started having a limited form of craving I guess. More hunger anyway (I normally have trouble getting hungry) So I¹m really starting to get things figured out. I have about 30 pounds to lose. I may go lower once I get there, we will just have to see. Before my weight issues began (I didn¹t start childbearing until later in life), I lived my adult life very thin, but I wans¹t a stick thin looking person(at least I never thought so, but I realize now that might have been because I was seeing my larger bone structure and how I carry muscle, etc.). I was only 110-115 pounds (if I got to the 115 I always felt heavy and desirous to drop back to 112 or below right away. (5¹4², but large frame, I have very large hands, wrists...a lot bigger than my moms, who is of a smaller bone structure, but it makes sense because my first cousin, female is 6 feet tall and big boned as are all of my fathers relatives. His brothers wore size 15 and size 16 shoes and were over 6 feet.) Chantelle But, the fitness center says for my bone structure and age, I should way about 140-145, so we shall see. I¹ve only had a weight issue a small part of my life, but it seems like forever now. Since I never thought I would have to deal with it this long. Losing was easy for me most of my life.... Chantelle On 10/22/08 2:33 AM, " Steve D " <esdel1955@...> wrote: > > > > Thanks so much for taking the time with that detailed reply. I've tried going > cold turkey many times but always warm the turkey back up, LOL. Still, you've > given me much to think about. Again, kudos to you. > > Steve D > > >> > >> > Yup, carb addiction, that's my problem for sure. Would you mind >> > elaborating on how you were able to overcome it? I've tried many a >> > time, with no success. >> > >> > Steve D > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hi , I am a VCO producer in the Philippines. But I think I can relate better to your post at a personal level. About forty years ago, what I recall as the first time I saw my mother took a tablespoon of kitchen-made VCO, I really found ridiculous what she was doing. She claimed she feels better taking the oil. VCO has been used for healing in our communities for many ancestral years for topical applications, sometimes mixed with plant roots and saliva - yuck now :>. At about that time too, we, more educated children, already started hearing statements that coconut oil is bad. Now I am really humbled to realize my mother was right after all. Their knowledge that coconut oil was good was like faith - they could not explain why, but it worked, yet without logical explanation it was unacceptable to us more educated chickens. Until recently scientific information about the health aspects of VCO was so lacking in the Philippines. We have much science on coconut agriculture, and a member of this list, Prof. Sev Magat, is a scientist in this area. Thanks to the US for the many scientific researches done there. Now we know with confidence it is the MCT, the lauric acid, etc. And more people are getting more confident in trying VCO for new applications. Like my sister, who only had six years of formal education, found out that mixing VCO and water at 50/50 soaked in cotton and laid on highly-infected wound sucks the puss fast and heals the wound faster, without any use of medicine. Some people gets too excited and passionate about VCO, and the expressions and stories becomes ridiculuos sometimes. Like a statement posted previously in this forum " ...coconut oil is the healthiest oil on earth... " Tony Geniston From: Garza <geo_garza@...> Subject: Ridiculous Claims Coconut Oil Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:14 PM Most of what I have read about coconut oil sounds really ridiculous. Manufacturers want you to believe that it can even kill viruses such as herpes and even AIDS! I think that if it were true, the medical community would have given some discoverer a Nobel prize for that alone! So why do people except the claims that it will make you lose weight and lower your cholesterol? It would be tragic to find years from now that you have done irreversible damage to your arteries and your health due to false hopes. A sucker is born every day. Maybe use it once in a while in moderation, but not for what it manufacturers want you to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Poor . Do read up on medium chain triglyceride or medium chain fatty acids. This is what VCO's saturated fat contains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 sorry to piggyback and i have no formal info to provide other then, coconut must be a whole food cause Survivor Cast members live for 39 days on mostly coconut! On 10/22/08, melly banagale <@...> wrote: > > Poor . Do read up on medium chain triglyceride or medium chain fatty > acids. This is what VCO's saturated fat contains. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Have you tried candida cleanse, Steve? Such products as Ferm-Plus, Candida-G and ThreeLac? I have not tried these products MYSELF, as I do not suffer from carb cravings much. However I am told that such can be extremely helpful. Crook's " The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough " was the forerunner on this topic, but it is a bit dated (1986) now. One can go to amazon and type 'candida' in the search box and find many offerings on the subj. ~ ruby ~ > > > > Once I managed to work thru my carb addiction, I have no problem > > staying on my diet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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