Re: Re: use of strong language

[Guest guest]

I¹m so naïve that I had the impression that Canadians were somehow more

civilized and used less bad language than some in the United States. I¹m

obviously wrong. Did learn a lot from this discussion though!

I¹m like Barbie......i don¹t¹ use them in my thought life or

anywhere......my kids reprimand me if I ever say ³butt² instead of bottom

and I sure coudlnt¹ get away with saying the word crap either! So we are

very clean around here .

Obviously I¹ve had a few friends in my life (by this age) that have used the

word bs or s before, but they know where I stand too, without me even saying

antyhing. It rarely happens, esp. lately.

Along this same line, just a funny story, two guys shopping together in

Costco the other day, one said the D word because the stuffed baked potato

samples were not ready yet! I thought it was pretty silly to get that worked

up over a free sample. The lady giving them out said, ³if you are going to

talk like that, you aren¹t going to get any when they ARE ready!² LOL

Now that¹s the Gone with the Wind word, and I think is has some appropriate

or at least humorous contexts, but that really wasnt¹ one of them

Chantelle

On 12/9/08 7:08 AM, " barbiec1953 " <bcentofante@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I agree... I never use such words in

> public, I don't in my private life...

> I don't even use them in my thought

> life ! There are so many words in the

> English language that will get the thought

> across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

>

>

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > Although I was not personally offended by the word BS.I wish to

>>> > > point

>>>> > > > out that we have an international group and in some cultures the

>> > use

>>> > > of

>>>> > > > such words can be very offensive.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > My Dad once in extreme agitation while trying to change an

>>>> > > > international flight with a phone representative from India ,

>>>> > > > unfortunately used one of these strong words of exasperation,

>> > which

>>>> > > > meant little to him and was surprised to find how offended the

>>>> > > > opperator was when he used it.She let him know for several

>> > minutes

>>> > > how

>>>> > > > offended she was.After he had appologized profusely he did

>>> > > eventually

>>>> > > > get his tickets changed , but it did take longer because of the

>>>> > > > slip...Words can mean different things to different people.

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > So If we find a word we use has caused discomfort for someone It

>>> > > would

>>>> > > > be polite to avoid it ( to be saved for that extreme

>> > exasperation.

>>> > > lol).

>>>> > > >

>>>> > > > IN NC

>>>> > > >

>>> > >

>> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am often amused by American 'standards' - what do you guys say when

the hammer hits your thumb and not the nail? Ouch, balderdash, gimminy

cricket, - or something more spontaneous? It's not a question of anyones

command of their local vocabulary by definition because 'vocabulary' it

is a quantitative adjective. It is a question of utilizing suitable

expletives to enhance communication. Many so called 'swear' words are

indeed no longer defined as such, through common use they lose their

origin and become merely descriptive as often stumbled upon in poetry

and indeed most of Shakespeare's works (to name but one classic author).

Indiscriminate, or rather, inappropriate 'swearing' imo often merely

indicates a lack of education, however, oftentimes 'swear words' can be

effective in communication - 'the pen is mightier than the sword'!

Now I presume that no one is offended by 'Bull' the animal. Is then the

implicative 'That's a load of Bull' also offensive? Is it the concept as

in the 'eye of the beholder' or is it the composition/combination of the

words? Is it the relatively modern qualifying word **** that causes

offense, and if so is it because of it's modernity or by association?

Would feces, excrement, turd or stool be more acceptable? Would the

useful and extremely beneficial product 'manure' also be offensive?

Bovine manure as an expletive is probably _not_ the first thing I would

think to utter as I stubbed my toe ;-) .

As an aside I find it interesting that we should attempt to relieve or

enhance physical situations through utterence, even when alone........

All of this bottoms out in tolerance and intolerance and the age old

desire to influence ones surroundings or gain status amongst ones

peers. English is not my first language and through time and travel I

have found that far more important than wordage is the context of the

utterance - it is easy to offend or cause disruption without 'swearing'

(or if that word is in itself offensive may I offer 'profound language'

as a replacement) but if no offense is intended then a thinking person

would not be, that is a no brainer (new swear word)?

Here's a future baddy - that's a load of 'old used nappies' - any good

do you think?

Best wishes

KJ

barbiec1953 wrote:

> I agree... I never use such words in

> public, I don't in my private life...

> I don't even use them in my thought

> life ! There are so many words in the

> English language that will get the thought

> across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>> Although I was not personally offended by the word BS.I wish to

>>>>

>>> point

>>>

>>>> out that we have an international group and in some cultures the

>>>>

>> use

>>

>>> of

>>>

>>>> such words can be very offensive.

>>>>

>>>> My Dad once in extreme agitation while trying to change an

>>>> international flight with a phone representative from India ,

>>>> unfortunately used one of these strong words of exasperation,

>>>>

>> which

>>

>>>> meant little to him and was surprised to find how offended the

>>>> opperator was when he used it.She let him know for several

>>>>

>> minutes

>>

>>> how

>>>

>>>> offended she was.After he had appologized profusely he did

>>>>

>>> eventually

>>>

>>>> get his tickets changed , but it did take longer because of the

>>>> slip...Words can mean different things to different people.

>>>>

>>>> So If we find a word we use has caused discomfort for someone It

>>>>

>>> would

>>>

>>>> be polite to avoid it ( to be saved for that extreme

>>>>

>> exasperation.

>>

>>> lol).

>>>

>>>> IN NC

>>>>

>>>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chantelle wrote:

> I¹m so naïve that I had the impression that Canadians were somehow more

> civilized and used less bad language than some in the United States. I¹m

> obviously wrong. Did learn a lot from this discussion though!

> I¹m like Barbie......i don¹t¹ use them in my thought life or

> anywhere......my kids reprimand me if I ever say ³butt² instead of bottom

> and I sure coudlnt¹ get away with saying the word crap either! So we are

> very clean around here .

>

Clean? (Freudian slip)?

What is a 'butt' and may I ask if it is offensive as a word or because

of its connotation, and if, as I suspect, it is a part of every bodies

(both male and female) anatomies and function, how on earth can it be

'bad language' as against elbow or vagina?

> Obviously I¹ve had a few friends in my life (by this age) that have used the

> word bs or s before, but they know where I stand too, without me even saying

> antyhing. It rarely happens, esp. lately.

>

What words does your doctor use? Do they offend you?

> Along this same line, just a funny story, two guys shopping together in

> Costco the other day, one said the D word because the stuffed baked potato

> samples were not ready yet! I thought it was pretty silly to get that worked

> up over a free sample. The lady giving them out said, ³if you are going to

> talk like that, you aren¹t going to get any when they ARE ready!² LOL

>

Would that have been 'damn' (I have to ask because I don't get D') - no

wonder she only got a job as a demonstrator!

> Now that¹s the Gone with the Wind word, and I think is has some appropriate

> or at least humorous contexts, but that really wasnt¹ one of them

>

Tell me Chantelle - why are your posts interspersed with tiny numbers

instead of apostrophes and such?

Best wishes

KJ

>> I agree... I never use such words in

>> public, I don't in my private life...

>> I don't even use them in my thought

>> life ! There are so many words in the

>> English language that will get the thought

>> across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

>>

>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Although I was not personally offended by the word BS.I wish to

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> point

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> out that we have an international group and in some cultures the

>>>>>>>>

>>>> use

>>>>

>>>>>> of

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> such words can be very offensive.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> My Dad once in extreme agitation while trying to change an

>>>>>>>> international flight with a phone representative from India ,

>>>>>>>> unfortunately used one of these strong words of exasperation,

>>>>>>>>

>>>> which

>>>>

>>>>>>>> meant little to him and was surprised to find how offended the

>>>>>>>> opperator was when he used it.She let him know for several

>>>>>>>>

>>>> minutes

>>>>

>>>>>> how

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> offended she was.After he had appologized profusely he did

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> eventually

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> get his tickets changed , but it did take longer because of the

>>>>>>>> slip...Words can mean different things to different people.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> So If we find a word we use has caused discomfort for someone It

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> would

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> be polite to avoid it ( to be saved for that extreme

>>>>>>>>

>>>> exasperation.

>>>>

>>>>>> lol).

>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> IN NC

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I like your post KJ . Even though I posted that I am like Barbie (as she

described in her post) which is true, I also agree with what you wrote here.

I was not particularly offended by the use of the term, although I can get

offended FOR OTHERS even when no vulgarity is used. I don¹t like that Carol

felt it was a personal attack, that makes me feel offended for her....see

what I mean?

So I don¹t want Carol to think this post of mine is directed towards her

situation, as it is not.

But I very much agree with you in a lot of what you said here because it¹s

something I have thought about before.

However, when I do all those things like you said.....when I hurt myself

unexpectedly, I don¹t find myself swearing.

Do children swear when they do that?(I mean children who have grown up in

the absence of ever hearing anyone swear?) I often find myself doing

nothing. I guess occasionally I might cry out in pain, but it is not even

the word ouch I guess. Now you really make me wonder exactly what sounds I

have made in pain? (LOL)

I do know I have hit points of rare frustration in my life where a different

mentality almost pervades and I dont like that feeling. During those brief

and few periods for me, I have said ³darn² before or something like that.

That, as silly as it may sound to some, even bothers me. It is not the word

that bothers me but rather the heart that it is coming out of. When I am not

as stressed and being more trusting and faithful and joyful, then I do not

get in the position where I am saying ³darn² or anything like that .

Chantelle

Ps-so what IS your first language?

On 12/9/08 8:13 AM, " grumpygubbe " <grumpygubbe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I am often amused by American 'standards' - what do you guys say when

> the hammer hits your thumb and not the nail? Ouch, balderdash, gimminy

> cricket, - or something more spontaneous? It's not a question of anyones

> command of their local vocabulary by definition because 'vocabulary' it

> is a quantitative adjective. It is a question of utilizing suitable

> expletives to enhance communication. Many so called 'swear' words are

> indeed no longer defined as such, through common use they lose their

> origin and become merely descriptive as often stumbled upon in poetry

> and indeed most of Shakespeare's works (to name but one classic author).

>

> Indiscriminate, or rather, inappropriate 'swearing' imo often merely

> indicates a lack of education, however, oftentimes 'swear words' can be

> effective in communication - 'the pen is mightier than the sword'!

>

> Now I presume that no one is offended by 'Bull' the animal. Is then the

> implicative 'That's a load of Bull' also offensive? Is it the concept as

> in the 'eye of the beholder' or is it the composition/combination of the

> words? Is it the relatively modern qualifying word **** that causes

> offense, and if so is it because of it's modernity or by association?

> Would feces, excrement, turd or stool be more acceptable? Would the

> useful and extremely beneficial product 'manure' also be offensive?

> Bovine manure as an expletive is probably _not_ the first thing I would

> think to utter as I stubbed my toe ;-) .

>

> As an aside I find it interesting that we should attempt to relieve or

> enhance physical situations through utterence, even when alone........

>

> All of this bottoms out in tolerance and intolerance and the age old

> desire to influence ones surroundings or gain status amongst ones

> peers. English is not my first language and through time and travel I

> have found that far more important than wordage is the context of the

> utterance - it is easy to offend or cause disruption without 'swearing'

> (or if that word is in itself offensive may I offer 'profound language'

> as a replacement) but if no offense is intended then a thinking person

> would not be, that is a no brainer (new swear word)?

>

> Here's a future baddy - that's a load of 'old used nappies' - any good

> do you think?

>

> Best wishes

> KJ

>

> barbiec1953 wrote:

>> > I agree... I never use such words in

>> > public, I don't in my private life...

>> > I don't even use them in my thought

>> > life ! There are so many words in the

>> > English language that will get the thought

>> > across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> Although I was not personally offended by the word BS.I wish to

>>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>> point

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> out that we have an international group and in some cultures the

>>>>> >>>>

>>> >> use

>>> >>

>>>> >>> of

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> such words can be very offensive.

>>>>> >>>>

>>>>> >>>> My Dad once in extreme agitation while trying to change an

>>>>> >>>> international flight with a phone representative from India ,

>>>>> >>>> unfortunately used one of these strong words of exasperation,

>>>>> >>>>

>>> >> which

>>> >>

>>>>> >>>> meant little to him and was surprised to find how offended the

>>>>> >>>> opperator was when he used it.She let him know for several

>>>>> >>>>

>>> >> minutes

>>> >>

>>>> >>> how

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> offended she was.After he had appologized profusely he did

>>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>> eventually

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> get his tickets changed , but it did take longer because of the

>>>>> >>>> slip...Words can mean different things to different people.

>>>>> >>>>

>>>>> >>>> So If we find a word we use has caused discomfort for someone It

>>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>> would

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> be polite to avoid it ( to be saved for that extreme

>>>>> >>>>

>>> >> exasperation.

>>> >>

>>>> >>> lol).

>>>> >>>

>>>>> >>>> IN NC

>>>>> >>>>

>>>>> >>>>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Sheesh! What's with the virginal ears already? I use all sorts of

cuss words as expletives in my LiveJournal blog, when giving

consultations at work, with friends, around children, and strangers.

I have a huge English vocabulary, but I do not limit myself to one

segment of the English language. I watch my language here on this

list, and on other e-lists, but it is difficult, and a real pain in

the butt sometimes.

I never complain when others mention their religious beliefs on lists.

If I can be tolerant of language I never use, why can't others be as

tolerant?

Alobar

On 12/9/08, Chantelle <bornfrueh@...> wrote:

> I¹m so naïve that I had the impression that Canadians were somehow more

> civilized and used less bad language than some in the United States. I¹m

> obviously wrong. Did learn a lot from this discussion though!

> I¹m like Barbie......i don¹t¹ use them in my thought life or

> anywhere......my kids reprimand me if I ever say ³butt² instead of bottom

> and I sure coudlnt¹ get away with saying the word crap either! So we are

> very clean around here .

>

> Obviously I¹ve had a few friends in my life (by this age) that have used the

> word bs or s before, but they know where I stand too, without me even saying

> antyhing. It rarely happens, esp. lately.

>

> Along this same line, just a funny story, two guys shopping together in

> Costco the other day, one said the D word because the stuffed baked potato

> samples were not ready yet! I thought it was pretty silly to get that worked

> up over a free sample. The lady giving them out said, ³if you are going to

> talk like that, you aren¹t going to get any when they ARE ready!² LOL

>

> Now that¹s the Gone with the Wind word, and I think is has some appropriate

> or at least humorous contexts, but that really wasnt¹ one of them

> Chantelle

>

>

> On 12/9/08 7:08 AM, " barbiec1953 " <bcentofante@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I agree... I never use such words in

> > public, I don't in my private life...

> > I don't even use them in my thought

> > life ! There are so many words in the

> > English language that will get the thought

> > across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

> >

[Guest guest]

Chantelle wrote:

snip...

> Ps-so what IS your first language?

>

Swedish.

KJ.

[Guest guest]

Actually, this is a forum set up by a moderator who has the prerogative to make

rules as he or she sees fit.  By signing up for this forum, we all agreed to

abide by these rules.  If anyone wants to have a Foul-Mouthed Coconut Oil Open

Forum, they're free to start one.  I personally have no problem with foul

language, but I respect the fact that others do.  Rather than complaining about

being censored, I believe in applying some judicious self-censorship.  For

example, while I freely use foul language with my buddies, I would not use it

when applying for a job.  It's a question of what's appropriate in a given

situation.  How many of you would let loose with a string of expletives when

speaking with a nice, elderly lady you barely knew?  If you wouldn't do it in

person, why would you do it in writing?  This is not a question of civil

liberties; it's a question of being civil. 

From: fizzytoxicacid <tweetypoop@...>

Subject: Re: use of strong language

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:33 PM

I dont post hardly ever, but sheesh, I have to agree with Alobar.

This is a forum for ADULTS and it is set up in ENGLISH. Its just as

much reverse descrimination to NOT allow some one to talk the way

they want to. You are not forced into reading anything that you

dont want to. This PC stuff has gone way beyond the realm of

sanity. Its a big world out there. You cant please everyone and

you shouldnt have to. Deal with life because its not going to go

away. Not everyone in the world is going to babysit you and hold

you by the hand as you travel your journey. Sorry but this whole

thread is beyond reason. Anyone should beable to post anyway they

want to unless it is directed name calling towards someone. You

dont like a word?....... skip over it and stop putting restrictions

on people.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I agree... I never use such words in

> > > public, I don't in my private life...

> > > I don't even use them in my thought

> > > life ! There are so many words in the

> > > English language that will get the thought

> > > across without using vulgar words... Thanks !

> > >

>