Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dee, You might want to check out the research that showed inulin, an indigestible soluble fiber that also feeds good bowel bacteria so improves digestion, also reduces glucose swings, protects the liver, and improves lipid levels. I've been supporting diabetics and people with bowel disorders for years with it. Flax doesn't accomplish all that, yet there's more, with references, here on this science page: http://tinyurl.com/2m29z (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla carbs) Aout the thread " carbs in whey " , remember some of those sugars are essential to life; whey contains three glyconutrients, and the lactose trace won't pose a problem if you have inulin in your diet. Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research and in practice Duncan Duncan Posted by: " Dolores Kaufman " dgk@... dolores685 Date: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:48 am ((PST)) >Since there is so little carb in the whey shake and so much protein (34 gm) I fail to > understand why the hypoglycemic attack after a whey shake? > sol Sol, one thing I have been doing that really seems to work is to take a TBS of ACV (some recommend 2 TBS) in water prior to eating anything with carbs. Another thing you might add to the shake is fiber (flax seed perhaps?). I find that combination extremely helpful in heading off a hypoglycemic attack. I was never able to go for more than 2 hrs (sometimes less) after eating oatmeal for breakfast but now I can last 4 hours. Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I take inulin not to close to taking in vitamin supplements and food (including whey) because I read somewhere (no idea where) that fiber in the gut will impede absorbtion of nutrients. Sometimes when I am rushed, I skip my dose of inulin. When I do that, my blood glucose levels jump the next day. So I have become much better at getting my daily dose of inulin. I generally take 2 or 3 rounded tsp of inulin a day. Alobar On 1/18/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote: > Dee, > > You might want to check out the research that showed > inulin, an indigestible soluble fiber that also feeds > good bowel bacteria so improves digestion, also > reduces glucose swings, protects the liver, and > improves lipid levels. I've been supporting diabetics > and people with bowel disorders for years with it. > > Flax doesn't accomplish all that, yet there's more, > with references, here on this science page: > http://tinyurl.com/2m29z > > (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla carbs) > > Aout the thread " carbs in whey " , remember some of those sugars are > essential to life; whey contains three glyconutrients, and the > lactose trace won't pose a problem if you have inulin in your diet. > Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research and in > practice > > Duncan > > > Duncan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Duncan, I appreciate your information regarding inulin as a support for both bowel health and lactose intolerance, however I can't accept your statement > (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla carbs). Yes oatmeal is high in carbs, but it is also a food souce with many benefits. In addition to the 6 enumerated here: http://www.nywellnessguide.com/nutrition/060205- Oatmeal.asp oatmeal is also high in silicon, an extremely important nutrient, not only for skin, hair, and bones but for overall health. You can read about it here: http://www.antibiotic-alternatives.com/horses-oats-article.htm These are the reasons that I eat oatmeal despite the carb content and I have found that I can prevent any resulting hypoglycemia by taking ACV prior to eating it. I have also recently started eating steel-cut oats which are even better at delaying the rise of insulin. With the exception of oatmeal the only other carbs I eat on a regular basis are sweet potatoes which are fairly low on the glycemic index but packed with nutrition. At one time I suffered a bout of ulcerative colitis and eating sweet potatoes daily cured it completely. African tribes that consumed large amounts of sweet potatoes suffered zero colon cancer or colon problems of any kind. When I finally convinced my mother, who suffered from a spastic colon for years, to eat sweet poatoes on a regular basis she was cured as well. You don't read much about this but in my experience it WORKS. Best, Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dee, I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats. Carol http://www.bluegreensolutions.com I can't accept your statement > (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla > carbs). Yes oatmeal is high in carbs, but it is also a food souce with many benefits. > Best, > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 nix the oatmeal -- it raises my blood glucose too high to be able to eat it. hate eating it with water anyway -- as I am dairy free!!! [pre-type I diabetic] ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Dee, I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats. Carol http://www.bluegreensolutions.com I can't accept your statement > (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla > carbs). Yes oatmeal is high in carbs, but it is also a food souce with many benefits. > Best, > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with diet, exercise, and supplements. For me, complex carbs are a no-no. Carbs, whether simple or complex, put glucose into the blood. Simple carbs do it much quicker, but all carbs are a problem. Impossible to eliminate all carbs, but I keep them low. Even if one is not diabetic, carbs produce advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) inside the cells, which accelerate the onset of old age. Alobar On 1/20/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote: > Dee, > > I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to > stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats. > > Carol > http://www.bluegreensolutions.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Alobar: You seem to have excellent focus on your diet and are strict which many find difficult. I can't see how you can eat so few carbs and still have a enjoyable diet. Would I be able to ask you to tell us what you would eat for say 3 meals in any given day, including beverages and snacks etc.? You must keep your carbs at a certain level and I'd also be interested in knowing what that level was. For instance when I was expecting my first child and only 22 years old, I became Diabetic mid-term and had to keep my carbs under 128 grams per day. Nowadays, I'm not sure anymore where I should be with my daily quotient. I've never attended a Diabetic Class to find out, but check my bs levels throughout the day. VCO helps a lot with that and if I was to completely stop using it, the level would go much higher. Anyway, I hope this is not too personal a question and looking forward to your reply. Thanks, Bonnie Re: Re: carbs in whey I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with diet, exercise, and supplements. For me, complex carbs are a no-no. Carbs, whether simple or complex, put glucose into the blood. Simple carbs do it much quicker, but all carbs are a problem. Impossible to eliminate all carbs, but I keep them low. Even if one is not diabetic, carbs produce advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) inside the cells, which accelerate the onset of old age. Alobar On 1/20/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote: > Dee, > > I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to > stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats. > > Carol > http://www.bluegreensolutions.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hello Alobar, Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine > > I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with > diet, exercise, and supplements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Disagree. Completely. Whether one can eat oats or other whole grains is very individual. But oatmeal affects my blood sugar as much as any other grain that digests as sugar. sol Carol wrote: > Dee, > > I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to > stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I should have a rain day off work mid-week. No time to do it now. My list of supplements shifts over time. So I need to do a long blog post on my current diet and supplements. I'll post it here also. Alobat On 1/20/08, jlkinkona <josephine@...> wrote: > Hello Alobar, > Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Alobar, Let us know when you post your supplements at your blog and we can go there instead.Thanks. phine > > Hello Alobar, > > Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 > > Disagree. Completely. Whether one can eat oats or other whole grains is > very individual. But oatmeal affects my blood sugar as much as any other > grain that digests as sugar. That was my experience too Sol - UNTIL I began preceeding it with ACV in a glass of water. AND, I only mentioned this in reply to someone who was complaining about experiencing hypoglycemia with whey protein shakes. Since joining this group I have noticed there are a couple of people here who have set themselves up as THE experts in the group. Now I'm sure they have contributed some valuable information along the way. I was even inspired to order some inulin - but I think I'd like to see some credentials first before I swallow ALL of their suggestions (pun intended) as to what I should eat or not eat, especially since I did not solicit their opinion regarding oatmeal. I have been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since Adele http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " . Best, Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Dee I credit my following of Adelle ' mistaken dietary advice with a lot of my deterioration over the years. While I believe she was right about many things, she got fats, grains, and soy utterly wrong, from where I sit now. Which is probably why she got bone cancer. sol Dolores Kaufman wrote: > I have > been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since Adele > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so > forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Not sure who you are referring to. If it is me, I have no paper credentials. I read various health related groups, check out web references, and experiment on myself. I generally read about health and issues about 2-5 hours every day since 2001. I studied animal nutrition and biochem in college, many years ago. Alobar On 1/21/08, Dolores Kaufman <dgk@...> wrote: >I have noticed there are a couple of people here > who have set themselves up as THE experts in the group. Now I'm sure they > have contributed some valuable information along the way. I was even inspired > to order some inulin - but I think I'd like to see some credentials first before I > swallow ALL of their suggestions (pun intended) as to what I should eat or not > eat, > Best, > Dee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Well Sol, your reply is just one more instance of presuming to " know it all " so I won't waste my time with a lengthy reply. Others, however, might have noticed that I said that I have been interested in and following the EVOLUTIION of nutritional advice SINCE Adele . And if you feel you got it wrong by following her advice before, don't be so sure you've got it right now. Dee > > I have > > been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since Adele > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so > > forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " . > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Why the insulting tone? Why the hostility? I did not insult YOU though I missed reading some of the words in your email. Nor did I claim to know it all, I expressed my knowledge as of current date, and an opinion, so I am at a loss to understand your hostile attack. . sol Dolores Kaufman wrote: > Well Sol, your reply is just one more instance of presuming to " know it all " so I won't waste > my time with a lengthy reply. Others, however, might have noticed that I said that I have > been interested in and following the EVOLUTIION of nutritional advice SINCE Adele . > And if you feel you got it wrong by following her advice before, don't be so sure you've got > it right now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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