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Dee,

You might want to check out the research that showed

inulin, an indigestible soluble fiber that also feeds

good bowel bacteria so improves digestion, also

reduces glucose swings, protects the liver, and

improves lipid levels. I've been supporting diabetics

and people with bowel disorders for years with it.

Flax doesn't accomplish all that, yet there's more,

with references, here on this science page:

http://tinyurl.com/2m29z

(Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla carbs)

Aout the thread " carbs in whey " , remember some of those sugars are

essential to life; whey contains three glyconutrients, and the

lactose trace won't pose a problem if you have inulin in your diet.

Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research and in

practice ;)

Duncan

Duncan

Posted by: " Dolores Kaufman " dgk@...

dolores685

Date: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:48 am ((PST))

>Since there is so little carb in the whey shake and

so much protein

(34 gm) I fail to

> understand why the hypoglycemic attack after a whey

shake?

> sol

Sol, one thing I have been doing that really seems to

work is to take a

TBS of ACV (some

recommend 2 TBS) in water prior to eating anything

with carbs. Another

thing you might add

to the shake is fiber (flax seed perhaps?). I find

that combination

extremely helpful in

heading off a hypoglycemic attack. I was never able to

go for more than

2 hrs (sometimes

less) after eating oatmeal for breakfast but now I can

last 4 hours.

Dee

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I take inulin not to close to taking in vitamin supplements and

food (including whey) because I read somewhere (no idea where) that

fiber in the gut will impede absorbtion of nutrients.

Sometimes when I am rushed, I skip my dose of inulin. When I do

that, my blood glucose levels jump the next day. So I have become

much better at getting my daily dose of inulin. I generally take 2

or 3 rounded tsp of inulin a day.

Alobar

On 1/18/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Dee,

>

> You might want to check out the research that showed

> inulin, an indigestible soluble fiber that also feeds

> good bowel bacteria so improves digestion, also

> reduces glucose swings, protects the liver, and

> improves lipid levels. I've been supporting diabetics

> and people with bowel disorders for years with it.

>

> Flax doesn't accomplish all that, yet there's more,

> with references, here on this science page:

> http://tinyurl.com/2m29z

>

> (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla carbs)

>

> Aout the thread " carbs in whey " , remember some of those sugars are

> essential to life; whey contains three glyconutrients, and the

> lactose trace won't pose a problem if you have inulin in your diet.

> Inulin has eliminated lactose intolerance in the research and in

> practice ;)

>

> Duncan

>

>

> Duncan

>

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Duncan,

I appreciate your information regarding inulin as a support for both bowel

health and

lactose intolerance, however I can't accept your statement > (Nix the oatmeal;

it's fulla

carbs). Yes oatmeal is high in carbs, but it is also a food souce with many

benefits. In

addition to the 6 enumerated here:

http://www.nywellnessguide.com/nutrition/060205-

Oatmeal.asp oatmeal is also high in silicon, an extremely important nutrient,

not only for

skin, hair, and bones but for overall health. You can read about it here:

http://www.antibiotic-alternatives.com/horses-oats-article.htm

These are the reasons that I eat oatmeal despite the carb content and I have

found that I

can prevent any resulting hypoglycemia by taking ACV prior to eating it. I have

also

recently started eating steel-cut oats which are even better at delaying the

rise of insulin.

With the exception of oatmeal the only other carbs I eat on a regular basis are

sweet

potatoes which are fairly low on the glycemic index but packed with nutrition.

At one time

I suffered a bout of ulcerative colitis and eating sweet potatoes daily cured it

completely.

African tribes that consumed large amounts of sweet potatoes suffered zero colon

cancer

or colon problems of any kind. When I finally convinced my mother, who suffered

from a

spastic colon for years, to eat sweet poatoes on a regular basis she was cured

as well. You

don't read much about this but in my experience it WORKS.

Best,

Dee

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nix the oatmeal -- it raises my blood glucose too high to be able to eat it.

hate eating it with water anyway -- as I am dairy free!!! [pre-type I diabetic]

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Dee,

I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to

stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats.

Carol

http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

I can't accept your statement > (Nix the oatmeal; it's fulla

> carbs). Yes oatmeal is high in carbs, but it is also a food souce

with many benefits.

> Best,

> Dee

>

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I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with

diet, exercise, and supplements. For me, complex carbs are a no-no.

Carbs, whether simple or complex, put glucose into the blood. Simple

carbs do it much quicker, but all carbs are a problem. Impossible to

eliminate all carbs, but I keep them low. Even if one is not

diabetic, carbs produce advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) inside

the cells, which accelerate the onset of old age.

Alobar

On 1/20/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote:

> Dee,

>

> I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to

> stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats.

>

> Carol

> http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

>

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Alobar:

You seem to have excellent focus on your diet and are strict which many find

difficult. I can't see how you can eat so few carbs and still have a enjoyable

diet.

Would I be able to ask you to tell us what you would eat for say 3 meals in any

given day, including beverages and snacks etc.? You must keep your carbs at a

certain level and I'd also be interested in knowing what that level was.

For instance when I was expecting my first child and only 22 years old, I became

Diabetic mid-term and had to keep my carbs under 128 grams per day. Nowadays,

I'm not sure anymore where I should be with my daily quotient. I've never

attended a Diabetic Class to find out, but check my bs levels throughout the

day.

VCO helps a lot with that and if I was to completely stop using it, the level

would go much higher. Anyway, I hope this is not too personal a question and

looking forward to your reply.

Thanks,

Bonnie

Re: Re: carbs in whey

I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with

diet, exercise, and supplements. For me, complex carbs are a no-no.

Carbs, whether simple or complex, put glucose into the blood. Simple

carbs do it much quicker, but all carbs are a problem. Impossible to

eliminate all carbs, but I keep them low. Even if one is not

diabetic, carbs produce advanced glycation end-products (AGEs) inside

the cells, which accelerate the onset of old age.

Alobar

On 1/20/08, Carol <carol@...> wrote:

> Dee,

>

> I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to

> stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats.

>

> Carol

> http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

>

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Hello Alobar,

Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine

>

> I am a diabetic who takes no diabetes meds. I control sugar with

> diet, exercise, and supplements.

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Disagree. Completely. Whether one can eat oats or other whole grains is

very individual. But oatmeal affects my blood sugar as much as any other

grain that digests as sugar.

sol

Carol wrote:

> Dee,

>

> I also eat oatmeal - every day. It's the simple carbs you want to

> stay away from, not the complex carbs like in oats.

>

>

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I should have a rain day off work mid-week. No time to do it now. My

list of supplements shifts over time. So I need to do a long blog

post on my current diet and supplements. I'll post it here also.

Alobat

On 1/20/08, jlkinkona <josephine@...> wrote:

> Hello Alobar,

> Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine

>

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Alobar,

Let us know when you post your supplements at your blog and we can go

there instead.Thanks. phine

> > Hello Alobar,

> > Can you please list your supplements again. Thanks. phine

> >

>

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> Disagree. Completely. Whether one can eat oats or other whole grains is

> very individual. But oatmeal affects my blood sugar as much as any other

> grain that digests as sugar.

That was my experience too Sol - UNTIL I began preceeding it with ACV in

a glass of water. AND, I only mentioned this in reply to someone who was

complaining about experiencing hypoglycemia with whey protein shakes.

Since joining this group I have noticed there are a couple of people here

who have set themselves up as THE experts in the group. Now I'm sure they

have contributed some valuable information along the way. I was even inspired

to order some inulin - but I think I'd like to see some credentials first before

I

swallow ALL of their suggestions (pun intended) as to what I should eat or not

eat, especially since I did not solicit their opinion regarding oatmeal. I have

been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since Adele

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so

forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " .

Best,

Dee

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Dee I credit my following of Adelle ' mistaken dietary advice with

a lot of my deterioration over the years. While I believe she was right

about many things, she got fats, grains, and soy utterly wrong, from

where I sit now. Which is probably why she got bone cancer.

sol

Dolores Kaufman wrote:

> I have

> been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since

Adele

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so

> forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " .

>

>

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Not sure who you are referring to. If it is me, I have no paper

credentials. I read various health related groups, check out web

references, and experiment on myself. I generally read about health

and issues about 2-5 hours every day since 2001. I studied animal

nutrition and biochem in college, many years ago.

Alobar

On 1/21/08, Dolores Kaufman <dgk@...> wrote:

>I have noticed there are a couple of people here

> who have set themselves up as THE experts in the group. Now I'm sure they

> have contributed some valuable information along the way. I was even inspired

> to order some inulin - but I think I'd like to see some credentials first

before I

> swallow ALL of their suggestions (pun intended) as to what I should eat or not

> eat,

> Best,

> Dee

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Well Sol, your reply is just one more instance of presuming to " know it all " so

I won't waste

my time with a lengthy reply. Others, however, might have noticed that I said

that I have

been interested in and following the EVOLUTIION of nutritional advice SINCE

Adele .

And if you feel you got it wrong by following her advice before, don't be so

sure you've got

it right now.

Dee

> > I have

> > been interested in and following the evolution of nutritional advice since

Adele

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_. Now that's a LONG time so

> > forgive me folks if I take exception to those who presume to " know it all " .

> >

> >

>

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Why the insulting tone? Why the hostility?

I did not insult YOU though I missed reading some of the words in your

email.

Nor did I claim to know it all, I expressed my knowledge as of current

date, and an opinion, so I am at a loss to understand your hostile

attack. .

sol

Dolores Kaufman wrote:

> Well Sol, your reply is just one more instance of presuming to " know it all "

so I won't waste

> my time with a lengthy reply. Others, however, might have noticed that I said

that I have

> been interested in and following the EVOLUTIION of nutritional advice SINCE

Adele .

> And if you feel you got it wrong by following her advice before, don't be so

sure you've got

> it right now.

>

>

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