Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 > Also, not to dredge up the preservative controversy again, but . . .Is > the point of preservatives to make the soaps resist rancidity, or resist > bacteria, or both? I don't know where the idea of soap needing a preservative got started. For the umpteenth time, soap does NOT need a preservative. It is a good idea to add an antioxidant to soap to prevent rancidity. Antioxidants are NOT preservatives. If you are not selling your soap, I wouldn't even bother using an antioxidant. I have soaps that are 3 years old-give or take-that have no antioxidants and they are fine. Pat. Peace, Joy, Serenity. www.houseofscents.com Cosmeticinfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Yes, but what if you're using fruit or veg in your soap (CP, M & P or HP)? Should one be used then? Trace > > I don't know where the idea of soap needing a preservative got started. For > the umpteenth time, soap does NOT need a preservative. It is a good idea to > add an antioxidant to soap to prevent rancidity. Antioxidants are NOT > preservatives. If you are not selling your soap, I wouldn't even bother > using an antioxidant. I have soaps that are 3 years old-give or take-that > have no antioxidants and they are fine. > > Pat. > Peace, Joy, Serenity. > www.houseofscents.com > Cosmeticinfo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2000 Report Share Posted October 7, 2000 Sounds like the same recipe I've used. No probs tho that I know of. I'll check with my sister on soap I gave her a year ago that she just " looks " at and smells. Does it smell bad? Did you use VEGETABLE shortening? Barb J On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 22:35:26 -0700 " richard saling " <rsaling@...> writes: > I have made several batches of soap and have had my sucesses and > failures. Since I've learned to mix lye and oils at a lower > temperature the sucess rate has greatly increased. So with that in > mind, here's my question. My first batch of soap was lavender with > lavender buds in the mix. The recipe was coconut oil, shortening, > olive oil,and lye and water . At trace I added lavender eo and > patchouli eo and lavender buds. Now 6 months later the few bars I > have remaining from that batch have turned rancid. It has been kept > in a cool, dark, dry environment. What went wrong? Puzzled and > hoping someone can help find an answer. TIA Deby > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2000 Report Share Posted October 8, 2000 To Amy and Barb J in particular ( since you're the ones who answered) The recipe is as follows: 24 oz. olive oil 24 oz. Coconut oil 38 oz. crisco 32 oz. cold water 12 oz. lye 3.75 lavender eo 1/2 c. lavender buds I had to throw away the soap because it smelled sooooo bad. And I don't know why. So if either one of you knows why, I'd really appreciate the info. Thanks again. Deby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 If the oil is going rancid because of moisture, it is a bad thing. Alobar On 10/17/06, Marjorie Tietjen <daystar1952@...> wrote: > I don't know but somehow I don't think it's a bad thing > > Margie > > Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > Margie: > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 > > Margie: > > > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > > > Bonnie > > > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., (straight) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 How do you know it isn't rancid? Alobar On 10/18/06, jemark76 <jemark76@...> wrote: > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the > coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put > it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., > (straight) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 - vco does that to me to. It does have a slight burning feeling when taking it neat, when i think about it. Acidity sounds more feasible than it being rancid. My jars are new and i don't believe everyone that gets a catch in their throat has rancid jars of vco. SAlly -- In Coconut Oil , " jemark76 " <jemark76@...> wrote: > > > > > Margie: > > > > > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand > new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my > throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to > clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the > coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put > it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., > (straight) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 > > > Margie: > > > > > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand > new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my > throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to > clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the > coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put > it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., > (straight) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I thought one of the benefits of coconut oil was that it was stable and doesn't go rancid very easily. --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I use VCO mixed with baking soda as my toothpaste. It works wonderfully. It has reduced inflammation in my gums, and the pockets have shrunk. I have been able to avoid periodontal work because of this toothpaste. Nina Re: Rancidity Does coconut oil clean teeth then? Does it remove stains because if it doesn't it will not be suitable for me. Could you mix bi-carb with it I wonder, or would that not be a good mix? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I've never thought of doing that! Is it not super-gross, though? I would think it would leave an oily film in the mouth . . . I currently use baking soda and peroxide as my toothpaste. - On 10/18/06, Nina Moliver <yoganina@...> wrote: > > I use VCO mixed with baking soda as my toothpaste. It works wonderfully. > It has reduced inflammation in my gums, and the pockets have shrunk. I > have > been able to avoid periodontal work because of this toothpaste. > > Nina > > Re: Rancidity > > > Does coconut oil clean teeth then? Does it remove stains because if > it doesn't it will not be suitable for me. Could you mix bi-carb > with it I wonder, or would that not be a good mix? > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006 > > > -- ^^^^^^^^^^^***************************** " New Baby " is 12 weeks old! Just 28 more weeks until Leah & get a new baby brother or sister! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 No oily film. Remember - VCO does not behave like other fats. Nina > > Does coconut oil clean teeth then? Does it remove stains because if > > it doesn't it will not be suitable for me. Could you mix bi-carb > > with it I wonder, or would that not be a good mix? > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 10/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > -- > ^^^^^^^^^^^***************************** > " New Baby " is 12 weeks old! > Just 28 more weeks until Leah & > get a new baby brother or sister! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I know, but when I use it to grease pans and the like it does leave a film on my hands that is difficult to wash off, even with hot water and soap. - On 10/18/06, nmoliver1 <yoganina@...> wrote: > > No oily film. Remember - VCO does not behave like other fats. > > Nina > > > > > Does coconut oil clean teeth then? Does it remove stains because > if > > > it doesn't it will not be suitable for me. Could you mix bi-carb > > > with it I wonder, or would that not be a good mix? > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: > 10/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ^^^^^^^^^^^***************************** > > " New Baby " is 12 weeks old! > > Just 28 more weeks until Leah & > > get a new baby brother or sister! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hello: Dr. Bruce said in one of his books, that VCO will last much longer if it's refrigerated and so when I buy SEVERAL jars at one time, I put them all in the fridge except the one I'm using. Bonnie Re: Rancidity - vco does that to me to. It does have a slight burning feeling when taking it neat, when i think about it. Acidity sounds more feasible than it being rancid. My jars are new and i don't believe everyone that gets a catch in their throat has rancid jars of vco. SAlly -- In Coconut Oil , " jemark76 " <jemark76@...> wrote: > > > > > Margie: > > > > > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand > new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my > throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to > clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the > coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put > it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., > (straight) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 This is my experience with this and it may not be correct but here goes. I get that funny feeling in my throat whenever the container to a product is plastic and contain certain liquids that are stored in it for awhile. My thinking is that it is the plastic leaching into the liquid. I've had this occur with my first purchase. Now, I purchase only VCO in glass containers and no problems. > > I thought one of the benefits of coconut oil was that it was stable and doesn't go rancid very easily. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 The “burning” or “catch” in the back of the throat is caused by poor quality (i.e. rancid) oil. When coconut oil starts to go rancid the acidity of the oil increases. The irritation in the throat is caused by the acid. Coconut oil is a very stable oil, if it is processed properly. If not, then it can start to go rancid in the bottle before you even open it. Bruce Fife Re: Rancidity - vco does that to me to. It does have a slight burning feeling when taking it neat, when i think about it. Acidity sounds more feasible than it being rancid. My jars are new and i don't believe everyone that gets a catch in their throat has rancid jars of vco. SAlly -- In coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> open_forum , " jemark76 " <jemark76@...> wrote: > > > > > Margie: > > > > > > I have the same problem and I just purchased and opened a brand > new jar which an expiry date in 2009 but I also get the catch in my > throat if I don't take it with something and I cough and have to > clear my throat for awhile. I wonder why that is? > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > I do the same thing, a catch in the throat is from the acid in the > coconut oil , it's not rancid. solution= don't take it straight put > it on bread or coffee etc. I brush my teeth with coconut oil., > (straight) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Thankyou so much for this thought. I ordered mine in a gallon plastic jug. It tastes so good and looks so pure that I can't bear to throw it out. Plus I'm not sure if that feeling in my throat is not all in my head. It is very mild and probably would not notice it if it were not for the discussion on this. So, ya think it's ok to use still? Margie fire888earth <sharmika@...> wrote: This is my experience with this and it may not be correct but here goes. I get that funny feeling in my throat whenever the container to a product is plastic and contain certain liquids that are stored in it for awhile. My thinking is that it is the plastic leaching into the liquid. I've had this occur with my first purchase. Now, I purchase only VCO in glass containers and no problems. > > I thought one of the benefits of coconut oil was that it was stable and doesn't go rancid very easily. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 I buy my coconut oil in glass jars also and have the same reaction. But, I also get the same thing with olive oil. I know it is not rancid as I get the same feeling with every brand I have tried and I know they all can't be rancid. I am beginning to think that is just the way some people react to the different oils. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Thanks Deb....I like that explanation! Deb Comcast <deborah.harper@...> wrote: I buy my coconut oil in glass jars also and have the same reaction. But, I also get the same thing with olive oil. I know it is not rancid as I get the same feeling with every brand I have tried and I know they all can't be rancid. I am beginning to think that is just the way some people react to the different oils. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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