Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 What's VOCC Duncan?? LOL It's not a priority for you? So you don't think that VCO is important to have every day? I thought you did use it daily. I too use butter (no grass-fed around here), very little Olive Oil, some VCO and some Palm Oil. Some Avocado each week. And that's it. Oh, and also a bit of fish oil. Later I'll explain why I've been sick for so long. I finally figured it out, but since it's about (partly) hormones I'll wait for another day. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: November 23, 2008 10:10 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good food I agree with Nina that some inflammatory qualities are not that bad but must be balanced. What got me about her statements was that 1) ANY recommendation to use sesame or other high omega-6 oil should have said " sparingly " or words to that effect right off, and 2) that sesame was a saturated oil, when it contains very little. Both statements could easily lull a reader into complcency about this s-called " safe " oil, when it is not safe beyond that minimal use, and less than that if the person is already exposed to dietary oil that contain linoleic acid. I use lots of (grass-fed) butter and only a little olive oil, plus casual exposure to processed or restaurant food and whatever other linoleic acid I happen to get in my diet though seeds etc. Still planning to get more VOCC from Qualityfirst but its not a priority. Duncan > > Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame and olive > oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in small > quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not inflammation, but > rancidity. > > Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low levels, oils > create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you can have > too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually have too > little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, their bones > are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " : the air > element, dried out and ungrounded. > > Nina > > RE: Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good food > > Point of clarity, please: > > " I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil sparingly. " > > And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend olive oil > and sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. " > > So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame? > > -richard- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Bonnie, VOCC is the Virgin Oil de Coco Creme fom QualityFist International; it's the most pure no-heat coconut oil on the market. I haven't used it daily for years and I don't think it's important to have it every day, no. Duncan > > > > Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame and > olive > > oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in small > > quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not > inflammation, but > > rancidity. > > > > Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low levels, > oils > > create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you > can have > > too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually have > too > > little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, their > bones > > are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " : > the air > > element, dried out and ungrounded. > > > > Nina > > > > RE: Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good > food > > > > Point of clarity, please: > > > > " I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil sparingly. " > > > > And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend > olive oil > > and sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. " > > > > So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame? > > > > -richard- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Duncan, what do you think about MCTs? Is it not good to have it everyday? Or are there health circumstances that you may find taking MCTs beneficial? Thanks for whatever opinion you may give. Tony From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> Subject: Re: Back to Duncan Coconut Oil Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:52 AM Bonnie, VOCC is the Virgin Oil de Coco Creme fom QualityFist International; it's the most pure no-heat coconut oil on the market. I haven't used it daily for years and I don't think it's important to have it every day, no. Duncan > > > > Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame and > olive > > oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in small > > quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not > inflammation, but > > rancidity. > > > > Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low levels, > oils > > create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you > can have > > too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually have > too > > little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, their > bones > > are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " : > the air > > element, dried out and ungrounded. > > > > Nina > > > > RE: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good > food > > > > Point of clarity, please: > > > > " I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil sparingly. " > > > > And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend > olive oil > > and sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. " > > > > So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame? > > > > -richard- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Yes Tony, I agree that people should get medium and short-chain fatty acids nearly every day. I get mine mainly from butter. At least three, (proprionic, butyric, and acetic acids) are manufactured by the probiotic organisms in my gut. Here's a chart of oils from my references that shows the analysis of several oils: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/OilAnalysis.gif Duncan > > > > > > Let's put it this way: I don't use the other oils at all. Sesame > and > > olive > > > oils, sparingly. I don't believe that they are inflammatory in > small > > > quantities, but I don't know for sure. The problem is not > > inflammation, but > > > rancidity. > > > > > > Inflammatory qualities are not all bad, necessarily. At low > levels, > > oils > > > create warming in the body. In Ayurveda, the term is " pitta " : you > > can have > > > too much or too little of the fire element. Old people usually > have > > too > > > little and they could use more. That is why their skin is dry, > their > > bones > > > are brittle, and they have trouble sleeping. They are too " vata " : > > the air > > > element, dried out and ungrounded. > > > > > > Nina > > > > > > RE: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Sesame oil is *NOT* good > > food > > > > > > Point of clarity, please: > > > > > > " I really agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil > sparingly. " > > > > > > And yet, 4 posts prior, it states, " As a general rule, we recommend > > olive oil > > > and sesame oil as the only safe, stable unsaturated oils. " > > > > > > So, olive oil is as inflammatory as sesame? > > > > > > -richard- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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