Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... Frantz From: aust4freng <werus@...> Subject: prescr. drugs Coconut Oil Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:29 AM My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is (still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs. Marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Not to mention more heart attacks due to coQ 10 depletion, and more strokes if they actually succeed in reducing cholesterol too low. Plus depression, for which patients are usually prescribed an antidepressant. I actually know a woman going this route. She also has some muscle weakness due to the statin (heart is a muscle, egad!). sol Frantz Mathias wrote: > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... > > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It is failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice. If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing dangerous drugs. Alobar On 9/8/08, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm@...> wrote: > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... > > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... > > Frantz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Alobar I was trying to be nice... Also I meant the damages to the LIVER are well documented... Frantz From: Alobar <Alobar@...> Subject: Re: prescr. drugs Coconut Oil Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:28 PM IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It is failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice. If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing dangerous drugs. Alobar _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 And can you imagine that they are giving these statin drugs to our teenagers. It is an outrage and we have seen nothing yet. As more and more people learn the truth about drugs and learn about natural ways to get well, the more the drug companies will be trying to control everything. If CODEX is put in place, people will get sicker and sicker and they will have no choice but to go to the 'drug pushers' (doctors). The pharmaceutical industry will not bow easily. If you think health care is expensive now, imagine what it will be then. Helen Re: prescr. drugs IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It is failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice. If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing dangerous drugs. Alobar On 9/8/08, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm (DOT) com> wrote: > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol. . The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... > > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... > > Frantz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Some people have also experience symptoms similar to Alzheimers from being on statin drugs. The brain needs cholestral and when statin drugs are used the brain does not get the cholestral it needs. One woman, in the winter, noticed tracks in the snow around her house and thought someone must have tried to enter her house. Upon further investigation, she realized that the tracks were hers. She did not remember going outside and had not remembered the several days before that either. The University of BC, where I live wrote an article in the local paper saying they had done some studies on statins and they warned everyone that the drugs produced ailments worse than that which the statins were supposed to " cure " . Helen Re: prescr. drugs Not to mention more heart attacks due to coQ 10 depletion, and more strokes if they actually succeed in reducing cholesterol too low. Plus depression, for which patients are usually prescribed an antidepressant. I actually know a woman going this route. She also has some muscle weakness due to the statin (heart is a muscle, egad!). sol Frantz Mathias wrote: > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol. . The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... > > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hellen Don't forget that statens were originally marketed as anti-fungals and what you may be experiencing is your body can't handle the load of dead fungus tussue. Duke From: helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> Subject: Re: prescr. drugs Coconut Oil Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:05 AM .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I believe it. What is surprising is that people still tell me how they are under a doctor's care. Basically, they don't want to hear about natural ways to get well. That is changing, however, and more and more people are learning about supplements etc. Helen prescr. drugs My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is (still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs. Marsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I take issue with grouping all MDs into the " evil " category. I am under an internist's care and she is working with me on thyroid and adrenal issues, among others. She has improved my life greatly with both prescription drugs (Armour thyroid) and supplements (she does not sell them, just strongly recommends them, including prescription-strength fish oil, coconut oil, etc.,). She also suggested I go to a rather low carb eating plan which has helped me tremendously. Really, there are times when a physician's care is necessary and life-saving. Yes there are over-prescribed medications and problems in the medical industry. But grouping all MD's together seems a bit hysterical. I once contracted a very serious infection. While I agree antibiotics are over prescribed in the US, the antibiotics I took arguably saved my life. Just because someone is under a doctor's care does not mean they are closed off to alternative medicine. There is a balance that can be struck in my! opinion. Marie On Tuesday, September 09, 2008, at 07:18AM, " helen/zhebee " <zhebee@...> wrote: > > >I believe it. > >What is surprising is that people still tell me how >they are under a doctor's care. Basically, they >don't want to hear about natural ways to get well. >That is changing, however, and more and more >people are learning about supplements etc. > >Helen > > > > > > > prescr. drugs > > >My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist >doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is >(still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs. > >Marsha > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hear hear Alobar! Duncan > > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly... > > > > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use... > > > > Frantz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 I agree that most MDs aren't " evil " ; it's more accurate to say they are as a group " unaware " , which is just as bad in their chosen field. I hate averaging these people though, there are good doctors and bad ones; the good ones support health, while the bad ones address only disease. Duncan > > I take issue with grouping all MDs into the " evil " category. I am under an internist's care and she is working with me on thyroid and adrenal issues, among others. She has improved my life greatly with both prescription drugs (Armour thyroid) and supplements (she does not sell them, just strongly recommends them, including prescription- strength fish oil, coconut oil, etc.,). She also suggested I go to a rather low carb eating plan which has helped me tremendously. Really, there are times when a physician's care is necessary and life- saving. Yes there are over-prescribed medications and problems in the medical industry. But grouping all MD's together seems a bit hysterical. I once contracted a very serious infection. While I agree antibiotics are over prescribed in the US, the antibiotics I took arguably saved my life. Just because someone is under a doctor's care does not mean they are closed off to alternative medicine. There is a balance that can be struck in my! > opinion. > > Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the statins. Policasanol is made from the wax of sugarcanes. My only resistance in taking this is that the sugarcanes are fertilized and heavily sprayed. If the process the wax and take the beneficial element and make it into policasanol, do you think the chemicals would be washed away? Policasanol acc to the websites i visited lowers cholesterol and balances HDL/LDL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi Disclaimer.. Not a Helath Professional: This aside.. The very important question is the following; Is there really a correlation between Heart Diseases and High Cholesterol levels? It seems that all the present Cholesterol-busting hysteria stems from just one (1) study whose statistics findings are far from definitive. Please do read more there: http://www.thincs.org/ eye-opening... One thing I know is that Statin drugs lower cholesterol by DIRECTLY attacking the liver. They impede the function of this so important gland. The side effects are dangerous... especially that it seems we all can live rather well with a relatively elevated cholesterol level... Diet and exercise are the key to an healthy heart... to health as a matter of fact... Read on and draw your own conclusions. For my part. I know I will stay off Prescription as much as humanly possible... Frantz From: melly banagale <@...> Subject: Re: prescr. drugs Coconut Oil Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:09 PM What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the statins. Policasanol is made from the wax of sugarcanes. My only resistance in taking this is that the sugarcanes are fertilized and heavily sprayed. If the process the wax and take the beneficial element and make it into policasanol, do you think the chemicals would be washed away? Policasanol acc to the websites i visited lowers cholesterol and balances HDL/LDL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 wrote: What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the statins , I have successfully used Policosanol by LifeExtension. My cholesterol was 220 and after one 60 tablet bottle of 10mg tabs, it went to 146. I have been unsuccessful in getting my husband off statins even though he knows my results. He is 100% into traditional medicines and will not even entertain changing. This old dog of 83 refuses to try something new! Too bad L Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less than 200 is really not healthy. One Day At A Time.............. Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 It's my understanding that the importance lies in the breakdown of scores. IE, the LDL, (low density Lipoprotein) which is considered bad - should be less than 100.. The HDL (higher density Lipoprotein) which is good, should be above 60. Here is a scale with values that will help my point: LDL Cholesterol LDL-Cholesterol Category Less than 100 Optimal 100 - 129 Near optimal/above optimal 130 - 159 Borderline high 160 - 189 High 190 and above Very high HDL Cholesterol HDL-Cholesterol Category 60 and above High; Optimal; helps to lower risk of heart disease Less than 40 in men and less than 50 in women Low; considered a risk factor for heart disease Blessings, wrote: Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less than 200 is really not healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 , That is good news to me. My cholesterol now is normal but am still taking lipitor (yikes) and really want to stop taking it. I am also diabetic and hypertensive so i am afraid to just thrash this meds. Am considering taking policasanol. I am just wondering, if my cholesterol is ok, would taking policasanol make it come down? My trigylceride is a bit elevated and acc to the policasanol website it can also take care of it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 , From what I have read, Policosanol promotes healthy platelet function and helps maintain cholesterol levels that are already within normal range. Extensive studies have also shown that policosanol is an antioxidant and when used in long-term clinical trials, it was well tolerated and safe. If you are going to start using it, make sure you purchase one that is a mixture of eight higher primary aliphatic alcohols isolated and purified from sugar cane wax. There have been several cheap versions that contain a high amount of octacosanol flooding the American markets, stay away from those. As I mentioned, I use the one from Life Extension as I found in my research this to be the best for me. Blessings, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi You have to be careful where the numbers came from. The drug companies are ruthless in their attempt to sell their potions. They are setting new levels in an attempt to get people on more of their drugs and they care not what these new levels, if achieved, will do to people. As a matter of fact, they will be rubbing their hands together because the new sicknesses will be another opportunity to develop and sell yet another drug. I saw on CNN not so long ago how the drug companies were trying to set a new lower level for high blood pressure. It is done subtlety through a news story usually featuring a doctor who is talking about a new study. (So much for science and 'studies' but that is another topic.) This doctor may be paid by the drug companies to appear on CNN or he might be a paid employee of the drug company to say that 'studies show' that ...blah, blah, blah. On the news that I saw, the reporter pointed out in not so many words that this was a ploy to sell more drugs. It is not usual for these big TV media to admit to this so I admire the reporter for being open about this but she probably got a good talking to by the bosses at CNN because a lot of their money comes from the ads that the drug companies place there. Another thing that is noteworthy.... Reporters love nothing better than a good story. There are hundreds ...no, thousands and thousands of people who are 'cured' (dare I use the word) of cancer by natural means. You never hear of these stories, do you? Why not? Could it be that the drug companies are controlling the news media as to what they can or cannot say? Watch, in the news, for stories about how cancer is decreasing or people are living longer after treatment, etc and see how the news media will be spinning these stories. Watch how the drug companies, the Cancer Society and our wonderful 'modern' medicine will be taking all the credit while the public goes to the health stores in droves to buy Vit D. But I digress. Helen RE: Re: prescr. drugs It's my understanding that the importance lies in the breakdown of scores. IE, the LDL, (low density Lipoprotein) which is considered bad - should be less than 100.. The HDL (higher density Lipoprotein) which is good, should be above 60. Here is a scale with values that will help my point: LDL Cholesterol LDL-Cholesterol Category Less than 100 Optimal 100 - 129 Near optimal/above optimal 130 - 159 Borderline high 160 - 189 High 190 and above Very high HDL Cholesterol HDL-Cholesterol Category 60 and above High; Optimal; helps to lower risk of heart disease Less than 40 in men and less than 50 in women Low; considered a risk factor for heart disease Blessings, wrote: Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less than 200 is really not healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Personally, I was (and hopefully will be again, my total chol having dropped like a stone due to a hyperthyroid situation) perfectly happy with a total cholesterol of 220 at age 62. While total cholesterol numbers are not particularly meaningful, cholesterol that is too low is much more dangerous than normal moderately high cholesterol that is age appropriate and actually protective. sol wrote: > , I have successfully used Policosanol by LifeExtension. My > cholesterol was 220 and after one 60 tablet bottle of 10mg tabs, it went to > 146. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 From my readings it isn't and in fact can be much more of a health risk if total cholesterol is under 160. Risk of stroke and cancer, as well as risk of death from all causes is raised radically, particularly for men. sol jean@... wrote: > Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less than 200 is really not healthy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi I agree. You cannot blame the doctors. They were brainwashed by the powers that have the money and they don't even know it is happening. Think about it. You are a young man or woman just out of high school. You have decided to become a doctor. That means study and lots of it. You are healthy and young so you don't even relate to the sick among us. If you have extra time, you probably aren't thinking about health. You are probably thinking about cars, girls and sports. After premed, you go to doctor's school and that means more studies again with little time for anything else. During this time, you might get married and when the studies are all over, you practice medicine. When did you have time to question alternatives??? You didn't. Anyway, med school did such a good job on you, you are convinced alternatives are all quackery. Little by little you find out that the " miracle drugs " they taught you about in med school don't really work all that well and some seem to be causing disease. You have the occasional patient who takes supplements and tries to tell you a little about it but you don't have time in the 6 minute visit to really hear what the patient was saying and anyway, weren't you taught it was all quackery? As time goes on and you get older, you might read the odd thing about a vitamin here and there that might be beneficial for some of your patients. You might even learn a few more things from your patients but they aren't doctors after all. If you practice medicine in Canada, you could even lose your license if you prescribed too many vitamins. And you don't have time to study your journals of medicine let alone a book about vitamins. By the time, you finally decide that you would like to learn more about these things, you are retired. Of course, this is a generalization. Not all doctors are not the same. Nor should we expect them to be. Even though some people need a hero and think doctors are gods, they are really only human beings after all and each one has a different personality. Some are analytic; others are happy just to go along with what they learned at med school. I have heard of some doctors, who when they found out how badly they had been duped, are extremely angry about it but they are far and few between. To find a doctor with an open mind is a rarity. Marie, you seem to have found such a doctor. Most doctors don't even ask one thing about diet, for example. Very few doctors are willing to think outside the box but it seems your doctor is doing just that. I wish I could have her for my own doctor. Even the naturopath doctors have an arsenal of products in their back office that influences their decisions. I don't do all my doctor says. Actually I do almost nothing he says. I just use him for the odd bit of information now and again or to do some tests. When I find out what is wrong, I go to my favorite health suppliers and get what I need. It is surprising how often I find the exact right thing. Of course, I am rarely sick since I take a lot of healthy stuff on a regular basis. Helen Re: prescr. drugs I agree that most MDs aren't " evil " ; it's more accurate to say they are as a group " unaware " , which is just as bad in their chosen field. I hate averaging these people though, there are good doctors and bad ones; the good ones support health, while the bad ones address only disease. Duncan > > I take issue with grouping all MDs into the " evil " category. I am under an internist's care and she is working with me on thyroid and adrenal issues, among others. She has improved my life greatly with both prescription drugs (Armour thyroid) and supplements (she does not sell them, just strongly recommends them, including prescription- strength fish oil, coconut oil, etc.,). She also suggested I go to a rather low carb eating plan which has helped me tremendously. Really, there are times when a physician's care is necessary and life- saving. Yes there are over-prescribed medications and problems in the medical industry. But grouping all MD's together seems a bit hysterical. I once contracted a very serious infection. While I agree antibiotics are over prescribed in the US, the antibiotics I took arguably saved my life. Just because someone is under a doctor's care does not mean they are closed off to alternative medicine. There is a balance that can be struck in my! > opinion. > > Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 What units of measurement are you referring to? Here in Sweden the HDL range is 0.8 - 2.1 and LDL 2.0 - 5.3. Best wishes KJ wrote: > > > It's my understanding that the importance lies in the breakdown of scores. > IE, the LDL, (low density Lipoprotein) which is considered bad - should be > less than 100.. The HDL (higher density Lipoprotein) which is good, should > be above 60. > > > > Here is a scale with values that will help my point: > > > LDL Cholesterol > > LDL-Cholesterol Category > > > Less than 100 > > Optimal > > > 100 - 129 > > Near optimal/above optimal > > > 130 - 159 > > Borderline high > > > 160 - 189 > > High > > > 190 and above > > Very high > > > > > HDL Cholesterol > > HDL-Cholesterol Category > > > 60 and above > > High; Optimal; helps to lower risk of heart disease > > > Less than 40 in men and less than 50 in women > > Low; considered a risk factor for heart disease > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > wrote: > > Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less > than 200 is really not healthy. > > > > > > FIREBALL OUTBURST: This morning, Sept. 9th, a surprising flurry of fireballs lit up the sky over eastern parts of the United States. All-sky cameras at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, recorded 25+ meteors, most as bright as Jupiter or Venus. A preliminary analysis by NASA astronomers suggests this is an outburst of " September Perseids, " a little-known shower that has erupted this way three times in the past century. Although the show is almost certainly over, sky watchers are advised to be on the lookout for more fireballs tonight and in the nights ahead; the September Perseids are not well understood and they could surprise us again. > > Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information and updates to this developing story. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I do indeed blame the doctors. The buck stops with the physician. Docs who prescribe poisons out of ignorance are just as reprehensible as people who kill or maim on purpose. If an architect or engineer parties too much in college and what he builds falls down and kills people, the architect or engineer is held accountable. Alobar On 9/9/08, helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: > Hi > > I agree. > > You cannot blame the doctors. They were brainwashed by the powers that > have the money and they don't even know it is happening. > > Think about it. You are a young man or woman just out of high school. You > have decided to become a doctor. That means study and lots of it. You are > healthy and young so you don't even relate to the sick among us. If you have > extra time, you probably aren't thinking about health. You are probably thinking > about cars, girls and sports. After premed, you go to doctor's school and that > means more studies again with little time for anything else. During this time, you > might get married and when the studies are all over, you practice medicine. When > did you have time to question alternatives??? You didn't. Anyway, med school > did such a good job on you, you are convinced alternatives are all quackery. > > Little by little you find out that the " miracle drugs " they taught you about in med > school don't really work all that well and some seem to be causing disease. You > have the occasional patient who takes supplements and tries to tell you a little > about it but you don't have time in the 6 minute visit to really hear what the > patient was saying and anyway, weren't you taught it was all quackery? As time > goes on and you get older, you might read the odd thing about a vitamin here > and there that might be beneficial for some of your patients. You might even > learn a few more things from your patients but they aren't doctors after all. If > you practice medicine in Canada, you could even lose your license if you > prescribed too many vitamins. And you don't have time to study your journals > of medicine let alone a book about vitamins. > > By the time, you finally decide that you would like to learn more about these > things, you are retired. > > Of course, this is a generalization. Not all doctors are not the same. Nor > should we expect them to be. Even though some people need a hero and > think doctors are gods, they are really only human beings after all and each > one has a different personality. Some are analytic; others are happy just to > go along with what they learned at med school. I have heard of some > doctors, who when they found out how badly they had been duped, are > extremely angry about it but they are far and few between. > > To find a doctor with an open mind is a rarity. Marie, you seem to have > found such a doctor. Most doctors don't even ask one thing about diet, for > example. Very few doctors are willing to think outside the box but it seems > your doctor is doing just that. I wish I could have her for my own doctor. > Even the naturopath doctors have an arsenal of products in their back office > that influences their decisions. > > I don't do all my doctor says. Actually I do almost nothing he says. I just use > him for the odd bit of information now and again or to do some tests. When > I find out what is wrong, I go to my favorite health suppliers and get what I > need. It is surprising how often I find the exact right thing. Of course, I am > rarely sick since I take a lot of healthy stuff on a regular basis. > > Helen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Alobar When the doctors in Dallas don't comply with the standad way the government comes with guns. We have had several go away that I know personally and they just though they had rights. Duke > Hi > > I agree. > > You cannot blame the doctors. They were brainwashed by the powers that > have the money and they don't even know it is happening. > > Think about it. You are a young man or woman just out of high school. You > have decided to become a doctor. That means study and lots of it. You are > healthy and young so you don't even relate to the sick among us. If you have > extra time, you probably aren't thinking about health. You are probably thinking > about cars, girls and sports. After premed, you go to doctor's school and that > means more studies again with little time for anything else. During this time, you > might get married and when the studies are all over, you practice medicine. When > did you have time to question alternatives? ?? You didn't. Anyway, med school > did such a good job on you, you are convinced alternatives are all quackery. > > Little by little you find out that the " miracle drugs " they taught you about in med > school don't really work all that well and some seem to be causing disease. You > have the occasional patient who takes supplements and tries to tell you a little > about it but you don't have time in the 6 minute visit to really hear what the > patient was saying and anyway, weren't you taught it was all quackery? As time > goes on and you get older, you might read the odd thing about a vitamin here > and there that might be beneficial for some of your patients. You might even > learn a few more things from your patients but they aren't doctors after all. If > you practice medicine in Canada, you could even lose your license if you > prescribed too many vitamins. And you don't have time to study your journals > of medicine let alone a book about vitamins. > > By the time, you finally decide that you would like to learn more about these > things, you are retired. > > Of course, this is a generalization. Not all doctors are not the same. Nor > should we expect them to be. Even though some people need a hero and > think doctors are gods, they are really only human beings after all and each > one has a different personality. Some are analytic; others are happy just to > go along with what they learned at med school. I have heard of some > doctors, who when they found out how badly they had been duped, are > extremely angry about it but they are far and few between. > > To find a doctor with an open mind is a rarity. Marie, you seem to have > found such a doctor. Most doctors don't even ask one thing about diet, for > example. Very few doctors are willing to think outside the box but it seems > your doctor is doing just that. I wish I could have her for my own doctor. > Even the naturopath doctors have an arsenal of products in their back office > that influences their decisions. > > I don't do all my doctor says. Actually I do almost nothing he says. I just use > him for the odd bit of information now and again or to do some tests. When > I find out what is wrong, I go to my favorite health suppliers and get what I > need. It is surprising how often I find the exact right thing. Of course, I am > rarely sick since I take a lot of healthy stuff on a regular basis. > > Helen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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