RE: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently

[Guest guest]

Duncan

Think what you will. I will not be providing

references for any group unless the refs are

easy to get ..OR if I have references to give for

the products I sell like those I posted in the

Files section for this group.

I have taken MANY vitamins and various

supplements in my lifetime with nothing but

great results and if I had waited for evidence,

I would be 6 feet under ...especially with

all the smoking I previously did.

Anyway, you aren't making sense, Duncan.

You are talking about hormones, a discussion

I am not involved in. Then you talk about

placebos which is something else I was not

disputing ..but I could if I had the time.

So if you want to see evidence of something,

go to this web address and look for the File

about the Body Rejuvenator CLINICAL STUDY

if you want evidence.

....If people would

read it and knew what the

product does, they would be lining up to get it.

Coconut Oil/files/

Helen

604-420-1544

www.miracle2network.com/rejuvenate

Ref ID# needed is 10026074

Phone 1-888-422-5833

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From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:39:06 AM

Subject: Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is

again said differently

Hi Helen; in this case though we DO have evidence and it seems to make

the statement, that useful amounts of hormone can be created from

coconut oil, into a myth.

My doctor agrees with using placebo for its usefulness. I have no

problem with that, but I note that when you need molecules, placebo

will not live up to that expectation. Another way to look at it is

that one might use the placebo, and exclude a real treatment, then

actually get worse because it has not addressed the deficiency or the

cure.

Duncan

> > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from

Dr.

> Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set

up

> a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a

> published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from

> personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a

> published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago

I

> read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the

> highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to

find

> that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some

> exceptions, I think.

> > >

> > > Tony

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OH, so now I have to find A REFERENCE for VCO about WHAT EXACTLY? Geeze,

this is getting tedious.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 21, 2008 9:44 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here

it is again said differently

It might be a known fact to you because YOU know it Bonnie, but I am

unconvinced without a reference. I mean, I've seen people miraculously

cured by a sugar cube, but I don't support the people who say " try

this cube, it'll cure you " .

Duncan

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Doesn't Bruce Fife give references to his statements? Without

> >> references, the statement below is just a conjecture. We all make

> >> conjectures all the time. But I can say that what I believe to be

> >> probably true changes over time as my personal experiments

provide me

> >> with more (sometimes contradictory) data.

> >>

> >> If Dr.Fife writes books with no footnotes or references to

research, I

> >> don't see why people bother reading them.

> >>

> >> Alobar

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> I agree with Helen. Pharmaceutical companies can afford to do all

> those very expensive studies. But . . . . do you believe their

> interpretation of the results? Statins are a good example - they

> tend to do more harms than good. Think of the drugs that have

> been recalled by the FDA over safety issues that had " good science "

> behind them.

>

> I believe that if you have an accumlation of antecdotal evidence

> and do due diligence in your research then you are probably going

> to be on the right tract.. I have been in the medical community

> for over 30 years and have seen what was thought of as " undisputed,

> scientific proof " change to " oops, we've changed our minds " usually

> due to new research. And . . . the change has usually been

> something the alternative community has been saying all along.

> Without the published studies to back them up - just common sense

> and antecdotal evidence.

>

> Lynda

>