Re: Formerly Soy - now Diets

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Sol,

I don't know if this will help, but reading your posts one thing

strikes me. You say you stuck to Atkins 100%, and I believe you. The

problem is, I just don't believe that's the right thing to do.

In my experience, and it's a long one now *sigh*, diets just don't

work. Maybe it's just me, but I don't have the psyche for counting or

following someone else's predetermined food plan. I certainly have the

self-discipline, and I've done it many times. But such unnatural

restrictions ALWAYS create cravings in my body, and I ultimately fall

off the wagon and undo any good I did. Sometimes I believe I've

actually caused damage by trying some doctor's or nutritionist's diet.

I have to listen to my own body and give that priority over

the " experts. "

I would suggest to EASE into eating the way that you feel is best for

your body. Carry that intention with you every day, but don't FORCE

it. If you really need a potato or a slice of bread, have it! Maybe

your body needs it right now, while it's on the path of cutting down

carbs.

I know that any time I've tried something drastic, I get negative

results. When I've needed to wean myself off of high carbs, I've

needed to do just that......quit VERY slowly and listen intently to my

own body.

For the last several months, I've been working on cutting down on all

carbohydrates. At times, I'd have a meat and veggie lunch, only to

feel an intense craving after, and then I'd have a 1/4 inch slice of a

snickers bar. That never happens anymore, but every few days, I work

in a small slice of sourdough bread or a small potato or a little

pasta or a tiny bowl of popcorn. I'm cutting down, and the cravings

have almost disappeared, but it won't happen all at once, not even in

a couple weeks or months. It's gradual, and as a result, less

stressful and more effective and permanent. I can walk right past

sugary treats and think of them as poison, certainly nothing that I

want for myself. [And I live in a house with other people who eat

them, and I just hope someday they'll see the light! Maybe once they

get sick.... ]

We live in a high grain society. Occasionally, especially when I'm

traveling, the best I can do is a turkey sandwich. So I order it on a

croissant and enjoy! When I'm out to dinner, I might order the

tilapia with pasta, and then eat all of the fish and veggies and a few

bites of the pasta. Maybe I'll have ONE bite of a shared dessert.

Then I'm back to turkey burger and cauliflower or chicken

and asparagus or avocado-onion-cilantro-jack cheese-omelet with salsa

the next day. I need to do this gradually, and in this way, I really

don't mind! I know I can have the carbs if I really want them. I'm

not counting anything or trying to prove anything. I'm just eating in

the healthiest way I can right now. And it's all getting better,

every day, in every way.

Just a word on soy. I LOVE it! Soy milk. Tofu. I know it's not PC

right now, but to me, it's the perfect food. It's satisfying and it

gives me energy and stabilizes my blood sugar for hours, and I won't

give it up, no matter how many studies say I should and no matter

how many " important " people say it's bad. Maybe as a post-menopausal

woman it's better for me than for others, but I hear my body saying

" yum, yum, yum, THANK YOU! " And, my hormone levels are like a much

younger woman, with plenty of estrogen and lots more progesterone.

Ok, that was more than one word, but I'm tired of soy being trashed.

It's my friend.

I went on and on...but I hope this helps a little. Feel free to email me.

Cheers!

nah

>

> I have read parts of Rosedale's book, but his diet is too low in animal

> fat and protein for me. And too high in fruits as I recall. I should

> read it again.

> But doesn't he say leptin resistance and cravings leave in a short time

> if you are on his diet?

> In the low carb diet world this is such a common assumption, I hear it

> constantly that cravings leave in a couple weeks if one is strict with

> staying off the carbs on whatever eating plan is being touted. But my

> carb cravings have never left, ever.

> I have to assume that people just don't believe I've been strict and

> have not cheated at all. Two and a half months Atkins induction, 100%

> strict compliance did not reduce or eliminate carb cravings for me. I

> have found that as long as I have these strong cravings I will

> eventually slip.

> Metabolic typing says that carb cravings can come from not having

enough

> of the right carbs, as well as from eating too much, but that is a

very

> slippery slope for me, and so far I keep losing my footing on it and

> sliding right back down into eating not only carbs, but sugar.

> So far I've not slipped deeply enough, long enough to go back to the

> very high triglycerides I used to have, so I take small comfort in

that.

> My fasting blood sugar is ok and my hypoglycemia is also mostly under

> control. By definitions I've read I am " pre-diabetic " , so this isn't

> just a preference for me, I NEED to be high protein, high fat, and low

> carb (Dr. Bernstein's diet for diabetes). I believe I read that Dr.

> Bernstein himself hasn't eaten fruit for several decades.

> oops, I've gone on too long, again,

> sol

[Guest guest]

> Someday I may find a source for organic pork fat, and then I may

> try rendering the lard myself.

Three of us just put in a big order (to save on shipping) from Good

Earth Farms in Wisconsin. Their bacon, pork fat .. heck, anything

pork they have is SOOO good!

If you can order enough - usually like 40lbs. the shipping works out

to be roughly $1.25/lb.

These guys are wonderful to work with too.

-vanessa

.... pork fat rules!

[Guest guest]

Sol,

I hope my use of caps didn't insult or make you think I don't respect

your intelligence and loads of experience. I just prefer the mild

approach, and I think those diet books have phases just to fill up the

pages.

I don't like the " jump-start " or " induction " philosophy, making the

diet extreme in the beginning and then letting up gradually, like

Atkins does. It doesn't work for me, and just the opposite does work.

My body never liked the shock of the jump-start, and the cravings

never left when I tried it. They just got worse.

What I've done in the past several months is a gradual wean off of a

higher carbie diet. I also avoid vegetable oils except for VCO. Just

one meal high in olive oil, and I'll awaken the next morning feeling

like there's an additional 1/4 " on fat on me! But I can eat all the

organic butter I want and still feel slim.

Cravings are gone. Sleep isn't much better, but that's my only issue.

I'm down to 125 today and feeling good! Went shopping for new clothes

but was unenthusiastic, because I think I'll still lose another 5

before I seriously consider adding something to stop the weight loss.

Cheers everyone!

nah

[Guest guest]

Well said, . That was sort of what I was trying to suggest.

When we tell ourselves we can't have something, we want it. And

that's why I'll let myself have bread or potatoes anytime I want.

However, I fully understand that those will jeopardize my health,

weight, sleep, etc. So I choose wisely most of the time and have

managed a gradual, healthy weight loss.

thanks for your words,

nah

>

> Sol, nah,

>

>

>

> I am wondering if perhaps what needs changing here is your thought

process.

> What we put out to the universe is what comes back to us, full

force. If

> you keep telling yourself you really, really want those carbs but

you are on

> a restricted diet and can't, guess what is going to happen. You will

> eventually get back into the carbs and sabotage your original plan.

......

>

> Removing the feeling of " restriction " will be replaced with the sense of

> freedom and success. You make the choice.

>

>

>

> Abundant Blessings,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nina, if you have the fatty acids figures for the profile of sesame

oil, we can add it to my worksheet that shows its peroxidation index

and calculates your own peroxidation index based on the oils in your

diet. The worksheet and corresponding screen shot is posted on my

coconut oil page:

http://tinyurl.com/oil-references

If you like just have a look and post the figures here and I'll add

them.

Duncan

> > Sol,

> >

> > Coconut oil is a vegetable oil, so I suggest not saying avoiding

vegetable

> > oils in general. It sounds like what you are having trouble with

is

> > unsaturated vegetable oils. Coconut oil, palm oil, avocados,

cashews, and

> so

> > forth have saturated vegetable fats, and they apparently work much

better

> > for you than the unsaturated ones.

> >

> > Here's my story - I have a terrible time with unsaturated

vegetable oils.

> > When I take a small amount (a fraction of a teaspoon), it wipes me

out for

> > the full day following. However, what helps here is miso. When I

eat them

> > with miso, I seem to do fine with them. I have been eating sesame

tahini

> > with miso every day, and I have gotten great benefit from the

combination.

> >

> >

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>I keep both the VRPO and VCO at room temperature with no problems here all

> summer. Often 33-36 deg C.

> Cheers, Doug

> Re: Re: Formerly Soy - now Diets

>>> >

>>> > LOL, I thought about that after my finger hit the send button. Be

>>> > careful of hasty over-broad statements! I should have been more

>>> > specific, I did not mean to include coconut oil, I would not give that

>>> > up, I was thinking of the unsaturated and polyunsaturated oils

>>> > substituted for lard in the past 60 or more years---corn oil, soy oil,

>>> > safflower oil, canola oil, that sort of oil, whether hydrogenated into

>>> > vegetable shortening and margarine or not. I would probably use some

>>> > virgin olive oil for salad dressings, too. And of course real butter.

>>> > I

>>> > continue to search for a good organic butter. The only brand sold

>>> > where

>>> > I live is awful--it tastes like margarine so much it makes me sick.

>>> > I love cashews, and now that i'm going much less dairy, if not quite

>>> > dairy free yet, I love thick cashew cream for my coffee and tea. I

>>> > also

>>> > like almond milk but it is a pain to make. I culd put the strained

>>> > solids into my VCO " candy " though, so I may re-think that. Sesame

>>> > milk

>>> > is something I may also start making again, awful in coffee, but I

>>> > like

>>> > to drink it. I have to be stingy about sesame though, as I have some

>>> > allergey problems with it.

>>> > sol

>>> >

>>> > Nina Moliver wrote:

>>>>> >> > Sol,

>>>>> >> >

>>>>> >> > Coconut oil is a vegetable oil, so I suggest not saying avoiding

>>>>> >> > vegetable

>>>>> >> > oils in general. It sounds like what you are having trouble with

>>>>> >> > is

>>>>> >> > unsaturated vegetable oils. Coconut oil, palm oil, avocados,

>>>>> >> > cashews,

>>>>> >> > and

>>> > so

>>>>> >> > forth have saturated vegetable fats, and they apparently work

>>>>> >> > much

>>>>> >> > better

>>>>> >> > for you than the unsaturated ones.

>>>>> >> >

>>>>> >> > Here's my story - I have a terrible time with unsaturated

>>>>> >> > vegetable

>>>>> >> > oils.

>>>>> >> > When I take a small amount (a fraction of a teaspoon), it wipes

>>>>> >> > me

>>>>> >> > out

>>>>> >> > for

>>>>> >> > the full day following. However, what helps here is miso. When I

>>>>> >> > eat

>>>>> >> > them

>>>>> >> > with miso, I seem to do fine with them. I have been eating sesame

>>>>> >> > tahini

>>>>> >> > with miso every day, and I have gotten great benefit from the

>>>>> >> > combination.

>>>>> >> >

>>>>> >> >

>>> >

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