Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in testosterone. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > Hello you two: > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for such an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I don't know where it came from, if not from VCO. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar Sent: December 21, 2008 4:52 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in testosterone. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote: > Hello you two: > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 I do a lot of experimentations with my diet and supplements with regard to my fasting blood glucose. I come to many tentative conclusions about what foods raise of lower my glucometer readings. But over time, most all of my initial findings have not been reproducible. I suspect many humans are as complex and non-straightforward as I am. I can't prove it. But many many times I have found myself barking up the wrong tree. I could be wrong, but from what I have read, older males with a very high testosterone level tend to get hair loss and baldness. They also have a very high sex drive. I have taken over 15 gallons of coconut oil over the past 5 years. I still have my hair, and I still have an almost non-existent sex drive. So, if coconut oil casused a big increase in testosterone for you, why am I not seeing any indications of that here? That is why I asked for any references to published studies. If coconut oil can cause high testosterone, I sure would like to avoid that is possible. But I do not want to stop taking coconut oil unless I come to believe it is dangerous for me. Alobar On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for such > an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I > don't know where it came from, if not from VCO. > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Bonnie, I for one don't think the scientific reference is incorrect. You might believe anything at all but you haven't shown that indeed it was these foods that upset your hormonal balance. VCO is not upsetting other peoples' homonal balance so it begs the question, why YOUR system. I think answers may be eluding you. Duncan > > Hello you two: > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > Bonnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I agree with Alobar: (...Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in testosterone.) Duncan > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > > Hello you two: > > > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > > > Bonnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92 shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil. My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another hormone test the end of January. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar Sent: December 22, 2008 2:31 AM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & I do a lot of experimentations with my diet and supplements with regard to my fasting blood glucose. I come to many tentative conclusions about what foods raise of lower my glucometer readings. But over time, most all of my initial findings have not been reproducible. I suspect many humans are as complex and non-straightforward as I am. I can't prove it. But many many times I have found myself barking up the wrong tree. I could be wrong, but from what I have read, older males with a very high testosterone level tend to get hair loss and baldness. They also have a very high sex drive. I have taken over 15 gallons of coconut oil over the past 5 years. I still have my hair, and I still have an almost non-existent sex drive. So, if coconut oil casused a big increase in testosterone for you, why am I not seeing any indications of that here? That is why I asked for any references to published studies. If coconut oil can cause high testosterone, I sure would like to avoid that is possible. But I do not want to stop taking coconut oil unless I come to believe it is dangerous for me. Alobar On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote: > Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for such > an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I > don't know where it came from, if not from VCO. > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 I would sure suspect radiation long before I suspected coconut oil Radiation is a known systemic poison. Alobar On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92 > shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil. > My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it > too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our > Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used > and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this > Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another > hormone test the end of January. > > Bonnie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Duncan: There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was 699. The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE DAILY and Radiation. What's your best guess??????? Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 22, 2008 11:28 AM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & I agree with Alobar: (...Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in testosterone.) Duncan > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > > Hello you two: > > > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > > > Bonnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Well, since I'm the only one who has Lab Tests, what can we say? Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 22, 2008 11:22 AM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & Bonnie, I for one don't think the scientific reference is incorrect. You might believe anything at all but you haven't shown that indeed it was these foods that upset your hormonal balance. VCO is not upsetting other peoples' homonal balance so it begs the question, why YOUR system. I think answers may be eluding you. Duncan > > Hello you two: > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2 > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > Bonnie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Bonnie, hormones are made by glands in the body; any that might be made in the intestines is uncontrolled and actually technically " outside " the body (not within the circulation and cell structure) so not part of the body although they may influence the body. I'm afraid that reference to re-use of hormones in the gut might be part of that. Duncan > > I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92 > shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil. > My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it > too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our > Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used > and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this > Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another > hormone test the end of January. > > Bonnie > <excess posts trimmed by moderator> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 My best guess Bonnie is a confounding factor you haven't anticipated; my second best guess is the same as Alobar's (radiation). Duncan > > > Hello you two: > > > > > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference > in my > > > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with > only 2 > > > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it > is > > > correct then that small amount made the difference. > > > > > > Bonnie > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say. Alobar On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > Duncan: > > There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was 699. > The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE > DAILY and Radiation. > > What's your best guess??????? > > Bonnie > > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Those radiation treatments are very likely the problem but doctors and unfortunately even patients will blame it on the natural product instead of the poison. phine > > If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else > reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be > the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say. > > Alobar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Duncan: Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER I have read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking for references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet will help lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines. Do we AT LEAST agree on that? Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 22, 2008 9:36 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & Bonnie, hormones are made by glands in the body; any that might be made in the intestines is uncontrolled and actually technically " outside " the body (not within the circulation and cell structure) so not part of the body although they may influence the body. I'm afraid that reference to re-use of hormones in the gut might be part of that. Duncan > > I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92 > shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil. > My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it > too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our > Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used > and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this > Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another > hormone test the end of January. > > Bonnie > <excess posts trimmed by moderator> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Alobar: Actually there were quite a few people reporting that with VCO they couldn't sleep, so.... Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar Sent: December 22, 2008 11:50 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Re: Duncan & If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say. Alobar On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic <mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote: > Duncan: > > There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was 699. > The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE > DAILY and Radiation. > > What's your best guess??????? > > Bonnie > > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Is inablity to sleep a sign of high testosterone levels? I did not know that. Alobar On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote: > Alobar: > > Actually there were quite a few people reporting that with VCO they couldn't > sleep, so.... > > Bonnie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 No I don't agree, Bonnie; Maybe the high fiber diet was increasing bacterial growth? I'd google " estrogen metabolism " for some data. This snip for example , " The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a significant role in estrogen metabolism " does not indicate re-circulation but metabolysis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418 Duncan > > Duncan: > > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER I have > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking for > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet will help > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines. > > Do we AT LEAST agree on that? > > Bonnie > <snipped by moderator> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2008 Report Share Posted December 26, 2008 Thanks Duncan: That was interesting and this one sentence from that article (below) says what I was saying before that the HEALTH of the Intestinal Tract will decide how the hormones are metabolized. The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a significant role in estrogen metabolism. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 23, 2008 11:33 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & No I don't agree, Bonnie; Maybe the high fiber diet was increasing bacterial growth? I'd google " estrogen metabolism " for some data. This snip for example , " The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a significant role in estrogen metabolism " does not indicate re-circulation but metabolysis. http://www.ncbi. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418> nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418 Duncan > > Duncan: > > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER I have > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking for > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet will help > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines. > > Do we AT LEAST agree on that? > > Bonnie > <snipped by moderator> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I contested that statement and still do. But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN (metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation of phytosterols or hormones. All good, Duncan > > Thanks Duncan: > > That was interesting and this one sentence from that article (below) says > what I was saying before that the HEALTH of the Intestinal Tract will decide > how the hormones are metabolized. > The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a significant > role in estrogen metabolism. > > Bonnie > > > <snipped by moderator> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I contested that statement and still do. But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN (metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation of phytosterols or hormones. All good, Duncan > > > > Duncan: > > > > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER > I have > > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking > for > > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet > will help > > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines. > > > > Do we AT LEAST agree on that? > > > > Bonnie > > > <snipped by moderator> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Hello all, Can I suggest that you read the input on dietary fat on the following web site? _www.second-opinions.co.uk_ (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk) Whilst not strictly related to the topic, it may help folks get the correct perspective on what we eat~that which we are genetically programmed to eat. Di. I think this referral is O.K. as although Barry Groves writes books, most of his beliefs are on this site. This is not an advert for a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 I'm losing my mind. I never said the CREATION of Phytosterols took place in the gut, I said if we HAD Phytoserols in our DIET, we could make hormones FROM THEM. Why doesn't that make sense? Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 27, 2008 10:41 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Duncan & Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I contested that statement and still do. But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN (metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation of phytosterols or hormones. All good, Duncan > > > > Duncan: > > > > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER > I have > > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking > for > > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet > will help > > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines. > > > > Do we AT LEAST agree on that? > > > > Bonnie > > > <snipped by moderator> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Hi Bonnie, yes when we have phytosterols in the body we can make hormones from them. Here's your previous passage I'm referring to: " The greatest degree of protection comes to those who have a healthy digestive tract, because the type of flora present will affect the production of the Phytochemicals " . Confusing, yes, very, especially because phytochemicals are NOT created in the body, or by gut bacteria. Duncan > > I'm losing my mind. I never said the CREATION of Phytosterols took place in > the gut, I said if we HAD Phytoserols in our DIET, we could make hormones > FROM THEM. > > Why doesn't that make sense? > > Bonnie > <trimmed by moderator for excess text> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 , there's no end to the opinion sites; I suggest reading the Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, and The Oiling Of America by Enig. These two are arguably the top two oils researchers world-wide. Duncan > > Hello all, > Can I suggest that you read the input on dietary fat on the following web > site? _www.second-opinions.co.uk_ (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk) > Whilst not strictly related to the topic, it may help folks get the correct > perspective on what we eat~that which we are genetically programmed to eat. > Di. > I think this referral is O.K. as although Barry Groves writes books, most of > his beliefs are on this site. This is not an advert for a business. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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