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Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in

testosterone.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Hello you two:

>

> I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my

> hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2

> tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is

> correct then that small amount made the difference.

>

> Bonnie

>

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Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for such

an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I

don't know where it came from, if not from VCO.

Bonnie

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[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

Sent: December 21, 2008 4:52 PM

Coconut Oil

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Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do with your increase in

testosterone.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic

<mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote:

> Hello you two:

>

> I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in my

> hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with only 2

> tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it is

> correct then that small amount made the difference.

>

> Bonnie

>

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I do a lot of experimentations with my diet and supplements with

regard to my fasting blood glucose. I come to many tentative

conclusions about what foods raise of lower my glucometer readings.

But over time, most all of my initial findings have not been

reproducible. I suspect many humans are as complex and

non-straightforward as I am. I can't prove it. But many many times

I have found myself barking up the wrong tree.

I could be wrong, but from what I have read, older males with a very

high testosterone level tend to get hair loss and baldness. They

also have a very high sex drive. I have taken over 15 gallons of

coconut oil over the past 5 years. I still have my hair, and I still

have an almost non-existent sex drive.

So, if coconut oil casused a big increase in testosterone for you, why

am I not seeing any indications of that here?

That is why I asked for any references to published studies. If

coconut oil can cause high testosterone, I sure would like to avoid

that is possible. But I do not want to stop taking coconut oil unless

I come to believe it is dangerous for me.

Alobar

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for such

> an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I

> don't know where it came from, if not from VCO.

>

> Bonnie

>

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Bonnie, I for one don't think the scientific reference is incorrect.

You might believe anything at all but you haven't shown that indeed it

was these foods that upset your hormonal balance. VCO is not upsetting

other peoples' homonal balance so it begs the question, why YOUR

system. I think answers may be eluding you.

Duncan

>

> Hello you two:

>

> I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in

my

> hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with

only 2

> tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it

is

> correct then that small amount made the difference.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

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I agree with Alobar: (...Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do

with your increase in testosterone.)

Duncan

>

> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> > Hello you two:

> >

> > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference

in my

> > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with

only 2

> > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it

is

> > correct then that small amount made the difference.

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

>

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I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92

shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil.

My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it

too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our

Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used

and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this

Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another

hormone test the end of January.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

Sent: December 22, 2008 2:31 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

I do a lot of experimentations with my diet and supplements with

regard to my fasting blood glucose. I come to many tentative

conclusions about what foods raise of lower my glucometer readings.

But over time, most all of my initial findings have not been

reproducible. I suspect many humans are as complex and

non-straightforward as I am. I can't prove it. But many many times

I have found myself barking up the wrong tree.

I could be wrong, but from what I have read, older males with a very

high testosterone level tend to get hair loss and baldness. They

also have a very high sex drive. I have taken over 15 gallons of

coconut oil over the past 5 years. I still have my hair, and I still

have an almost non-existent sex drive.

So, if coconut oil casused a big increase in testosterone for you, why

am I not seeing any indications of that here?

That is why I asked for any references to published studies. If

coconut oil can cause high testosterone, I sure would like to avoid

that is possible. But I do not want to stop taking coconut oil unless

I come to believe it is dangerous for me.

Alobar

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic

<mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote:

> Alobar, you might be right but what other explanation can there be for

such

> an increase, when I am not supplementing with any hormones whatsoever. I

> don't know where it came from, if not from VCO.

>

> Bonnie

>

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I would sure suspect radiation long before I suspected coconut oil

Radiation is a known systemic poison.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe the 92

> shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus Coconut Oil.

> My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand in it

> too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the health of our

> Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are made, used

> and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this

> Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do another

> hormone test the end of January.

>

> Bonnie

>

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Duncan:

There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was 699.

The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE

DAILY and Radiation.

What's your best guess???????

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 22, 2008 11:28 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

I agree with Alobar: (...Or your taking coconut oil had not much to do

with your increase in testosterone.)

Duncan

>

> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> > Hello you two:

> >

> > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference

in my

> > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with

only 2

> > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it

is

> > correct then that small amount made the difference.

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

>

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Well, since I'm the only one who has Lab Tests, what can we say?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 22, 2008 11:22 AM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

Bonnie, I for one don't think the scientific reference is incorrect.

You might believe anything at all but you haven't shown that indeed it

was these foods that upset your hormonal balance. VCO is not upsetting

other peoples' homonal balance so it begs the question, why YOUR

system. I think answers may be eluding you.

Duncan

>

> Hello you two:

>

> I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big difference in

my

> hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699 with

only 2

> tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if it

is

> correct then that small amount made the difference.

>

> Bonnie

>

>

>

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Bonnie, hormones are made by glands in the body; any that might be

made in the intestines is uncontrolled and actually technically

" outside " the body (not within the circulation and cell structure) so

not part of the body although they may influence the body. I'm afraid

that reference to re-use of hormones in the gut might be part of that.

Duncan

>

> I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe

the 92

> shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus

Coconut Oil.

> My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand

in it

> too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the

health of our

> Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are

made, used

> and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this

> Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do

another

> hormone test the end of January.

>

> Bonnie

>

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My best guess Bonnie is a confounding factor you haven't anticipated;

my second best guess is the same as Alobar's (radiation).

Duncan

> > > Hello you two:

> > >

> > > I guess the LITTLE AMOUNT of Sterols in VCO made a big

difference

> in my

> > > hormone levels taking my Testosterone from 40 (normal) to 699

with

> only 2

> > > tbsp. per day so EITHER the Sterol reference is incorrect or if

it

> is

> > > correct then that small amount made the difference.

> > >

> > > Bonnie

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else

reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be

the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Duncan:

>

> There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was 699.

> The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE

> DAILY and Radiation.

>

> What's your best guess???????

>

> Bonnie

>

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Those radiation treatments are very likely the problem but doctors and

unfortunately even patients will blame it on the natural product

instead of the poison. phine

>

> If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else

> reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be

> the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say.

>

> Alobar

>

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Duncan:

Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER I have

read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking for

references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet will help

lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines.

Do we AT LEAST agree on that?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 22, 2008 9:36 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

Bonnie, hormones are made by glands in the body; any that might be

made in the intestines is uncontrolled and actually technically

" outside " the body (not within the circulation and cell structure) so

not part of the body although they may influence the body. I'm afraid

that reference to re-use of hormones in the gut might be part of that.

Duncan

>

> I can't explain such a rise in Testoterone at my age except maybe

the 92

> shots of Radiation I had this summer, to my pelvic area, plus

Coconut Oil.

> My Candida, Gut Dysbiosis or whatever you call it, might have a hand

in it

> too. Dr. Fife said that our hormone Mileau would depend on the

health of our

> Intestinal Tract (no reference I'm afraid) and since hormones are

made, used

> and re-used in the Intestines, I would agree with him. So all this

> Testosterone (I hope) will just be temporary. I'm going to do

another

> hormone test the end of January.

>

> Bonnie

>

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Alobar:

Actually there were quite a few people reporting that with VCO they couldn't

sleep, so....

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Alobar

Sent: December 22, 2008 11:50 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Re: Duncan &

If it were coconut oil, why are you having problems and nobody else

reports similar problems? The two reasons you outline may neither be

the reason. Until you really find out, you can't really say.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@sympatic

<mailto:bonnieview%40sympatico.ca> o.ca> wrote:

> Duncan:

>

> There you go again. In July my level was 40 (normal) and October it was

699.

> The only two things that happened during those two dates was VCO INCREASE

> DAILY and Radiation.

>

> What's your best guess???????

>

> Bonnie

>

> _____

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Is inablity to sleep a sign of high testosterone levels? I did not know that.

Alobar

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

> Alobar:

>

> Actually there were quite a few people reporting that with VCO they couldn't

> sleep, so....

>

> Bonnie

>

>

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No I don't agree, Bonnie; Maybe the high fiber diet was increasing

bacterial growth? I'd google " estrogen metabolism " for some data. This

snip for example , " The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial

flora plays a significant role in estrogen metabolism " does not

indicate re-circulation but metabolysis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER

I have

> read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking

for

> references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet

will help

> lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines.

>

> Do we AT LEAST agree on that?

>

> Bonnie

>

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Thanks Duncan:

That was interesting and this one sentence from that article (below) says

what I was saying before that the HEALTH of the Intestinal Tract will decide

how the hormones are metabolized.

The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a significant

role in estrogen metabolism.

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 23, 2008 11:33 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

No I don't agree, Bonnie; Maybe the high fiber diet was increasing

bacterial growth? I'd google " estrogen metabolism " for some data. This

snip for example , " The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial

flora plays a significant role in estrogen metabolism " does not

indicate re-circulation but metabolysis.

http://www.ncbi. <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418>

nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6231418

Duncan

>

> Duncan:

>

> Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones HOWEVER

I have

> read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time looking

for

> references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet

will help

> lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines.

>

> Do we AT LEAST agree on that?

>

> Bonnie

>

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Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal

culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I

contested that statement and still do.

But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the

researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN

(metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation

of phytosterols or hormones.

All good,

Duncan

>

> Thanks Duncan:

>

> That was interesting and this one sentence from that article (below)

says

> what I was saying before that the HEALTH of the Intestinal Tract

will decide

> how the hormones are metabolized.

> The results suggest that the intestinal bacterial flora plays a

significant

> role in estrogen metabolism.

>

> Bonnie

> >

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Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal

culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I

contested that statement and still do.

But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the

researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN

(metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation

of phytosterols or hormones.

All good,

Duncan

> >

> > Duncan:

> >

> > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones

HOWEVER

> I have

> > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time

looking

> for

> > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet

> will help

> > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines.

> >

> > Do we AT LEAST agree on that?

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

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Hello all,

Can I suggest that you read the input on dietary fat on the following web

site? _www.second-opinions.co.uk_ (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk)

Whilst not strictly related to the topic, it may help folks get the correct

perspective on what we eat~that which we are genetically programmed to eat.

Di.

I think this referral is O.K. as although Barry Groves writes books, most of

his beliefs are on this site. This is not an advert for a business.

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I'm losing my mind. I never said the CREATION of Phytosterols took place in

the gut, I said if we HAD Phytoserols in our DIET, we could make hormones

FROM THEM.

Why doesn't that make sense?

Bonnie

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From: Coconut Oil

[mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

Sent: December 27, 2008 10:41 PM

Coconut Oil

Subject: Re: Duncan &

Bonnie, you previously asserted that the health of one's intestinal

culture plays a role in the CREATION of phytosterols in the gut. I

contested that statement and still do.

But that statement is is not even in the same time zone as the

researcher's quote below that indicates probable bacterial BREAKDOWN

(metabolysis) of hormones in the gut. This is not the same as creation

of phytosterols or hormones.

All good,

Duncan

> >

> > Duncan:

> >

> > Yes, I know there are several glands that can make hormones

HOWEVER

> I have

> > read (and again no reference or I'd be spending all my time

looking

> for

> > references) I KNOW and hopefully YOU KNOW that a HIGH FIBRE diet

> will help

> > lower Estrogen as it can be RE-CIRCULATED from the Intestines.

> >

> > Do we AT LEAST agree on that?

> >

> > Bonnie

> >

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Hi Bonnie, yes when we have phytosterols in the body we can make

hormones from them.

Here's your previous passage I'm referring to: " The greatest degree of

protection comes to those who have a healthy digestive tract, because

the type of flora present will affect the production of the

Phytochemicals " .

Confusing, yes, very, especially because phytochemicals are NOT

created in the body, or by gut bacteria.

Duncan

>

> I'm losing my mind. I never said the CREATION of Phytosterols took

place in

> the gut, I said if we HAD Phytoserols in our DIET, we could make

hormones

> FROM THEM.

>

> Why doesn't that make sense?

>

> Bonnie

>

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, there's no end to the opinion sites; I suggest reading the

Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, and The Oiling Of America by

Enig. These two are arguably the top two oils researchers world-wide.

Duncan

>

> Hello all,

> Can I suggest that you read the input on dietary fat on the

following web

> site? _www.second-opinions.co.uk_ (http://www.second-opinions.co.uk)

> Whilst not strictly related to the topic, it may help folks get the

correct

> perspective on what we eat~that which we are genetically programmed

to eat.

> Di.

> I think this referral is O.K. as although Barry Groves writes

books, most of

> his beliefs are on this site. This is not an advert for a business.

>

>

>

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