Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Nina, I¹m a little confused as to how you got the impression that those on this list are not familiar with whole grains or those ways of eating. I¹m especially thinking of your last paragraph here. I don¹t remember anything being posted recently that indicated many on this list are used to dealing with flour products and refined foods. I went for years eating little to no meat and more recently ate all raw veggies and fruits. I had gotten the impression that many on this list have a lot of experience with whole foods and those ways of eating. Chantelle On 11/24/08 6:15 AM, " Nina Moliver " <yoganina@...> wrote: > > > > Duncan, I have rad Dr. Ravnskov's article and his book, and other material > by him as well. I corresponded with him several times. I enumerated a bunch > of facts and he didn't address them. In addition, I wrote: > > <<In your book you refer a number of times to a diet low in saturated fat as > " spartan " and " ascetic " , creating a sense of deprivation and misery. On > your website you say advocates of such a diet would " undermine the art of > cuisine, destroy the joy of eating. " > > I just wanted to let you know that I have been near-vegan since 1985 and I > find the vegetarian cuisine far more tasty and delicious than anything in > the standard American meat-and-sugar diet.>> > > He acknowledged me here and said he would correct this in the future, but > that many people, men in particular, feel they need meat and haven't gotten > vegetarian diets to work, palate-wise. Well, he is supposed to be in the > health business, not in the culinary business! If he can't get this food to > be tasty, then it's the cook's problem, not the doctor's problem, and he has > no business projecting this bias into his medical science. > > He added that there is no evidence whatsoever that animal food, either fat > or red meat, is disadvantageous to your health. This is radically and > uproariously false. The evidence spills out of medical journals. For a > bibliography to get started, look in the reference section of Dr. Colin > 's " The China Study. " > > Overall, I found his perspective very narrow-headed and biased. He is > obviously coming from a he-man place of " don't mess with my meat " that I > have no need for. > > I also find it very sad that a list dedicated to the virtues of Virgin > Coconut Oil should be dealing constantly with the issue of meat consumption. > Coconut is a plant. It grows from the ground. Red palm oil comes from a > plant. They should sing to the vegetarian way. I don't understand why they > are being constantly confounded with meat-eating. It's very clear from > reading this list that people on this track are completely unfamiliar with > whole grains and a whole-grain way of eating. If all you are comparing it > with is flour products and refined foods, no wonder you are attracted to > animal products. That makes sense. > > Nina > > Cholesterol > > Agreeing with Duncan. My reading and research has run across this several > times. > My own cholesterol happens to be great even after using CO, although not > using it enough yet I don¹t think. > However, I wouldn¹t get overly concerned about high cholesterol numbers if I > did have them. > > I do view CO as a pretty much miracle food so far! I use it for everything. > I only keep the Olive oil on hand for dh and I like the taste of sesame > added for flavor in smaller quantities on occasion. > > Chantelle > > On 11/23/08 2:29 PM, " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@... > <mailto:duncancrow%40shaw.ca> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Another pointer would be the world's foremost cholesterol authority, a >> > fella with pages of credentials, Uffe Ravnskov, has a famous article >> > called the Cholesterol Myths, here: >> > http://www.ravnskov.nu/ >> > >> > High cholesterol has never been proven to cause disease. >> > >> > I agree that sesame seeds contain an antioxidant. All seeds do; that >> > helps to preserve the oil in them from rancidity. >> > >> > Duncan >> > >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I >> > really >>>> >> > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly. The >> > only oils >>>> >> > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO >> > and red >>>> >> > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having >> > scooped up >>>> >> > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an >> > LDL of >>>> >> > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Nina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Chantelle, I can only go by what people post to the list. I don't know about people who just read the list but don't respond. People on this list certainly eat whole foods - I just haven't encountered a familiarity with whole grains. Anyway, as I said, I first joined this list 3 years ago. It's a frustrating list for me. It is supposed to be an exchange about a plant food, virgin coconut oil, but almost all of the discussion and emphasis by the posters is about animal products. I stopped posting before, but then I started again because I wanted to post the article on how the media had turned a garbage study on statins into headline news. The finding was that statins were saving lives in people with normal cholesterol. The flaws in the study were obvious to me, but this was the first article I saw in print that tore it into its well-deserved shreds. I thought this would be a very interesting read to people on this list, but not one person responded. I guess I'm just on a different page than others here, and it's not too valuable for me to keep posting. I am very sorry for having offended people on the list this week. Nina Cholesterol > > Agreeing with Duncan. My reading and research has run across this several > times. > My own cholesterol happens to be great even after using CO, although not > using it enough yet I don¹t think. > However, I wouldn¹t get overly concerned about high cholesterol numbers if I > did have them. > > I do view CO as a pretty much miracle food so far! I use it for everything. > I only keep the Olive oil on hand for dh and I like the taste of sesame > added for flavor in smaller quantities on occasion. > > Chantelle > > On 11/23/08 2:29 PM, " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@... > <mailto:duncancrow%40shaw.ca> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Another pointer would be the world's foremost cholesterol authority, a >> > fella with pages of credentials, Uffe Ravnskov, has a famous article >> > called the Cholesterol Myths, here: >> > http://www.ravnskov.nu/ >> > >> > High cholesterol has never been proven to cause disease. >> > >> > I agree that sesame seeds contain an antioxidant. All seeds do; that >> > helps to preserve the oil in them from rancidity. >> > >> > Duncan >> > >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I >> > really >>>> >> > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very sparingly. The >> > only oils >>>> >> > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO >> > and red >>>> >> > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having >> > scooped up >>>> >> > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an >> > LDL of >>>> >> > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Nina > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I somehow must have missed the article you posted. I¹d expect to find here followers of both WAP and Dr. Bruce Fife in addition to some who eat raw, etc. in addition to other random discoverers of coconut oil. I think I understand a little better your frustration now though, after reading this post. I think I misread your original post on the topic and misunderstood a bit what your frustration was... Chantelle On 11/24/08 5:18 PM, " Nina Moliver " <yoganina@...> wrote: > > > > Chantelle, I can only go by what people post to the list. I don't know about > people who just read the list but don't respond. People on this list > certainly eat whole foods - I just haven't encountered a familiarity with > whole grains. > > Anyway, as I said, I first joined this list 3 years ago. It's a frustrating > list for me. It is supposed to be an exchange about a plant food, virgin > coconut oil, but almost all of the discussion and emphasis by the posters is > about animal products. I stopped posting before, but then I started again > because I wanted to post the article on how the media had turned a garbage > study on statins into headline news. The finding was that statins were > saving lives in people with normal cholesterol. The flaws in the study were > obvious to me, but this was the first article I saw in print that tore it > into its well-deserved shreds. I thought this would be a very interesting > read to people on this list, but not one person responded. I guess I'm just > on a different page than others here, and it's not too valuable for me to > keep posting. I am very sorry for having offended people on the list this > week. > > Nina > > Cholesterol >> > >> > Agreeing with Duncan. My reading and research has run across this several >> > times. >> > My own cholesterol happens to be great even after using CO, although not >> > using it enough yet I don¹t think. >> > However, I wouldn¹t get overly concerned about high cholesterol numbers if > I >> > did have them. >> > >> > I do view CO as a pretty much miracle food so far! I use it for > everything. >> > I only keep the Olive oil on hand for dh and I like the taste of sesame >> > added for flavor in smaller quantities on occasion. >> > >> > Chantelle >> > >> > On 11/23/08 2:29 PM, " Duncan Crow " <duncancrow@... >> <mailto:duncancrow%40shaw.ca> >> > <mailto:duncancrow%40shaw.ca> > wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Another pointer would be the world's foremost cholesterol authority, a >>>> >> > fella with pages of credentials, Uffe Ravnskov, has a famous article >>>> >> > called the Cholesterol Myths, here: >>>> >> > http://www.ravnskov.nu/ >>>> >> > >>>> >> > High cholesterol has never been proven to cause disease. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I agree that sesame seeds contain an antioxidant. All seeds do; that >>>> >> > helps to preserve the oil in them from rancidity. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Duncan >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Interesting - my info is that sesamin is an antioxidant. Anyway, I >>>> >> > really >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > agree with using both sesame oil and olive oil very >>>>>>>> sparingly. The >>>> >> > only oils >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > that I am comfortable using in relatively large quantities are VCO >>>> >> > and red >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > palm oil. Even these, however, I have cut back on, after having >>>> >> > scooped up >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > VCO like ice cream for months. A total cholesterol of 300, with an >>>> >> > LDL of >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > 160, was too over the top for me. So now I am more sparing. >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > Nina >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Nina, I've been on this list for a looonnnggg time. People in this list have different food preferentials/diets and that is ok with us. Yet, we all share one thing in common, and that is to consume virgin coconut oil and also share with one another its many uses. We also exchange health issues and share various remedies. I am sorry to point out that this is not a vegan or special diet group and yet the group is open to suggestions in improving one's health. I remember during the early years of the group, JuiceLady taught us how to juice vegetables which was a " new " thing at that time. Come to think of it, there weren't that many juice machines at that time. Now we have masticating juicers. How things change in such a short time. Anyway, don't feel bad. Maybe people didn't react to your posting because we don't believe in the cholesterol myth anymore. Cholesterol does not raise eyebrows anymore as we all know that the cholesterol problem was drummed up by the pharmaceutical firms to sell their harmful statin drugs. Mellly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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