Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I was reading up on bone loss/bone density issues and I came across comments by Annemarie Colbin in her book, Food and Our Bones. I tracked down some VCO on the internet and I tried it. That was it! Nina Re: cholesterol question Nina I'm not an expert and have no opinion on your question, but I have a question. What led you to try coconut oil? rich cholesterol question > > > Hi, I'd like help on a question about my coconut oil consumption. > > I have been near-vegan for 20 years. During that whole time, my > cholesterol level stayed fairly constant at about 160-165. Triglycerides > were about 70. > > I started eating VCO about 9 months ago. One month later, I had my > cholesterol tested. Here were my results: > > Total cholesterol: 220 > HDL: 96 > LDL: 108 > [Triglycerides: 80] > > LDL/HDL ratio, and Total/HDL ratio, however, were virtually unchanged. > > Now, I know the whole " cholesterol doesn't matter " thing, so I don't want > to go down that road right now. The jury is still out on that. T. Colin > 's new book, The China Study (recommend highly!!!), finds that > cholesterol is a very accurate marker for many diseases, but only when you > consider 175 (or so) to be a healthy upper limit. The " cholesterol > doesn't matter " people usually consider 180 to be a low-end cholesterol > value, and have done their studies on Westerners eating animal-based > diets. It's the " 190-300 " range where " cholesterol doesn't matter " , > because people are still getting sick either way. The Framingham > researchers say they have never seen an incidence of CHD in anyone with > cholesterol below 150. > > " Saturated fat doesn't elevate cholesterol " is clearly a false statement > in my case: the 33% jump in my cholesterol after 20 steady years, with the > only change to my diet or lifestyle being the coconut oil, clearly refutes > that idea - at least in my case. > > Vegans don't typically have cholesterol of 220, no matter how you slice > it. Besides, what about all the people that had their cholesterol go down > when they started VCO? > > My sense is that the body makes cholesterol in order to effect repair, > i.e., to solve a problem. So it's a bad idea to second-guess the body and > force the cholesterol down with drugs. You are robbing the body of its > chosen repair mechanism. Of course other diseases will come down the pike > if you do that. > > My question is: what problem have I introduced that the choelsterol has > been created to solve? > > I'm wondering if my problem is that other fats (e.g., monounsaturates) in > my diet have been too low. > > I would appreciate any good ideas here. Please don't guess! > > Thank you, > Nina > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Nina, Very good question, and one that strikes home. No expert advice here, but I'm from " The Cholesterol Myth " school... If I had HDL of 96, I'd be crowing! That is awesome! My cholesterol went up too, so did my HDL, and ratio stayed the same. I was also alarmed, until I thought about it. I FELT BETTER! According to WAPF, we SHOULD have cholesterol levels over 200. With low cholesterol levels, you suffer hormonal problems, depression, bone loss, and vitamin D depletion, shortened life span, as well as other ills I can't remember. Here are some articles: http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/benefits_cholest.html http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/coconut_oil.html With low cholesterol, some studies say you won't get CHD; you'll commit suicide...:-( Because low levels can cause severe depression. There is so much to individual nutrition; it's hard to know from a brief description, or even a book, or a library of information. This is a journey that we all are on; finding what works for each one of us. Do you feel better/have a better outlook on life? More energy? Hormones balanced? Your skin? Would you feel better without it? Maybe your cholesterol increase isn't a response to repair work needed, but rather a result of balancing/attaining the level that was right for you? People who report a decrease in cholesterol probably needed that balancing, too. But only you can answer that. Which school do you choose to believe? The old one, or the new one? Which makes more sense to you? Sorry for guessing - I know you specifically asked me NOT to do that.... -Blair > > Hi, I'd like help on a question about my coconut oil consumption. > > I have been near-vegan for 20 years. During that whole time, my cholesterol level stayed fairly constant at about 160-165. Triglycerides were about 70. > > I started eating VCO about 9 months ago. One month later, I had my cholesterol tested. Here were my results: > > Total cholesterol: 220 > HDL: 96 > LDL: 108 > [Triglycerides: 80] > > LDL/HDL ratio, and Total/HDL ratio, however, were virtually unchanged. > > Now, I know the whole " cholesterol doesn't matter " thing, so I don't want to go down that road right now. The jury is still out on that. T. Colin 's new book, The China Study (recommend highly!!!), finds that cholesterol is a very accurate marker for many diseases, but only when you consider 175 (or so) to be a healthy upper limit. The " cholesterol doesn't matter " people usually consider 180 to be a low-end cholesterol value, and have done their studies on Westerners eating animal-based diets. It's the " 190-300 " range where " cholesterol doesn't matter " , because people are still getting sick either way. The Framingham researchers say they have never seen an incidence of CHD in anyone with cholesterol below 150. > > " Saturated fat doesn't elevate cholesterol " is clearly a false statement in my case: the 33% jump in my cholesterol after 20 steady years, with the only change to my diet or lifestyle being the coconut oil, clearly refutes that idea - at least in my case. > > Vegans don't typically have cholesterol of 220, no matter how you slice it. Besides, what about all the people that had their cholesterol go down when they started VCO? > > My sense is that the body makes cholesterol in order to effect repair, i.e., to solve a problem. So it's a bad idea to second- guess the body and force the cholesterol down with drugs. You are robbing the body of its chosen repair mechanism. Of course other diseases will come down the pike if you do that. > > My question is: what problem have I introduced that the choelsterol has been created to solve? > > I'm wondering if my problem is that other fats (e.g., monounsaturates) in my diet have been too low. > > I would appreciate any good ideas here. Please don't guess! > > Thank you, > Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi Merrill Don't be disappointed. And DO NOT do Lipitor or any othedr cholesterol med.. Your total is higher but your Triglycerides are better -- very important. Your HDL is higher and that is the good stuff. Check out this site www.womenshealth.org for cholesterol info. And before you would do any meds because of cholesterol reading you should also have a couple more tests that are even bigger indicators of " heart disease " Test for -- Homocysteine and C Reactive Protein I would also see about ultrasound of your main arteries to look and see if you are really getting blockages. See if you have something called Life Line Screening in your area. (800-407-4557) If it comes down to having to do more than diet there are numerous natural things to help. KM Merrill Kramer <merrill724@...> wrote: Hi! I'm disappointed with results of my recent cholesterol testing v. mid 2003 results. I wonder if others have had similar changes on ER4YT? I have been 70-90% BTD compliant for over 3 years. I'm a female 55YO O secretor. Results are: Cholesterol 232 (high) v. 208 Triglycerides 97 v. 141 HDL Chol. 74 (high) v. 58 LDL 139 (high) v. 122 LDL/HDL ratio 1.9 v. 3.6 Anyone have any dietary suggestions, BT comliant, or words of wisdom for pushing this down a bit? I am excercising and eating adequate " good " fats...olive oil and salmon, etc. Want to avoid " lipitor " or other drugs. Thanks! Merrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of years, as well as high blood pressure medicine. He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I noticed that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? Just curious what some of you would say? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hi and Schimka and others, Greetings from the coconut-rich Philippines! On the this matter of good cholesterol for health, wellness and longer life, in recent years, many have reported and believed that we should be taking the low chain and medium chain saturated (chemically stable) fatty acids and avoiding the unsaturated and polyunsaturated fatty acids, be this of plant and animal origin. Here in the country, there are medical doctors with deep and wide background and experience here and overseas, now promoting the daily intake of eggs, fresh milk, butter (not margarine) liver and beef meat (but not from pork meat an liver), including coconut oil for food applications and dietary fat/oil, over the other plant oils. Such developments and knowledge is contrary to what we were made to believe in the past, and medical doctors mostly until now prescribe or advice the avoidance of the food I mentioned above. Of course, now more than ever, I believe truth about things associate with good and bad cholesterol and our dietary/energy fats have been revealed by honest people with influence, including our scientists and medical practitioners who had based their advice/diagnosis on the best or standard/normal knowledge during their college and training periods. I don't know how you will react on this posting, as well as the others in this e-forum. Cheers, Sev Magat Ann Schimka <aschimka@...> wrote: Hi K: I am a lurker too and I have very low good cholesterol....I have recently gone gluten-free and the lbs have just come off without dieting or exercise....a high carbs diet has a negative effect on good cholesterol....this maybe a simple remedy but not very fun (I have tons more eergy too) ANN _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of K Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:45 PM Coconut Oil Subject: cholesterol question My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of years, as well as high blood pressure medicine. He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I noticed that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? Just curious what some of you would say? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Hi Sev I am with you 100%. We have been led down the proverbial garden path for the last 60 years. Cheers, Doug (Canada, now living in Hong Kong) cholesterol question > > My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of > years, > as well as high blood pressure medicine. > He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I > noticed > that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad > cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. > apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to > do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would > someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? > Just curious what some of you would say? > K > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear Doug, I'm very glad you we have same stand on the subject Hoping, with time more and more people would be enlightened. It's among the main objectives of this e-forum I understand at the time I join this group (about 2 years back). All the best, Sev Magat Murray <doublaswalter@...> wrote: Hi Sev I am with you 100%. We have been led down the proverbial garden path for the last 60 years. Cheers, Doug (Canada, now living in Hong Kong) cholesterol question > > My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of > years, > as well as high blood pressure medicine. > He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I > noticed > that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad > cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. > apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to > do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would > someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? > Just curious what some of you would say? > K > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Hi K: I am a lurker too and I have very low good cholesterol....I have recently gone gluten-free and the lbs have just come off without dieting or exercise....a high carbs diet has a negative effect on good cholesterol....this maybe a simple remedy but not very fun (I have tons more eergy too) ANN _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of K Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:45 PM Coconut Oil Subject: cholesterol question My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of years, as well as high blood pressure medicine. He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I noticed that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? Just curious what some of you would say? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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