Vitamin C and Heart Disease

[Guest guest]

Below is a link to a free e-book by Dr.Rath on the connection between

heart disease and insufficient vitamin C intake.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/About_Dr_Matthias_Rath/why_boo\

k.html

Alobar

[Guest guest]

I think Dr. Rath and Dr. ing missed the point in their approach to

use lots of vitamin C; that being the glutathione connection. One of

the master antioxidant's roles is to recycle the other antioxidants,

so if one is not low in the master antioxidant, one does not need

nearly as much vitamin C or the other antioxidants so normal intakes

would suffice.

Glutathione is the primary protector of cells, and especially the

mitochondria, the energy centers in the cells. Glutathione is also

essential in the energy cycle itself, unlike the other antioxidants

you'd eat in food.

Duncan

>

> Below is a link to a free e-book by Dr.Rath on the connection between

> heart disease and insufficient vitamin C intake.

>

> http://www4.dr-rath-

foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/About_Dr_Matthias_Rath/why_book.html

>

> Alobar

>

[Guest guest]

I have found that both are important. Before I started taking whey,

I needed about 30 grams of C most days before I got soft stool. Now,

with taking whey twice a day, I need just 5 grams of C.

But I suspect that no matter how much whey I used each day, the puny

RDA for C just would not do it for me. Others may find differently,

but for me with type 2 diabetes, I find I still need 5 grams or so of

C each day.

Alobar

On 6/29/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> I think Dr. Rath and Dr. ing missed the point in their approach to

> use lots of vitamin C; that being the glutathione connection. One of

> the master antioxidant's roles is to recycle the other antioxidants,

> so if one is not low in the master antioxidant, one does not need

> nearly as much vitamin C or the other antioxidants so normal intakes

> would suffice.

>

> Glutathione is the primary protector of cells, and especially the

> mitochondria, the energy centers in the cells. Glutathione is also

> essential in the energy cycle itself, unlike the other antioxidants

> you'd eat in food.

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

I've been following this thread on vitamin C and have always been a believer

in supplementing it as we don't make our own. Then I

read a startling (to me) thought in the book, 'The Terrain Is Everything' by

Stockton. On page 219, regarding an experiment by

Dr. Linus ing's former colleague, Dr. Arthur on the effects of

large doses of vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid,

Dr. reports that he had done research on mice, which indicated that a

" moderate " dose of ascorbic acid resulted in an

increased incidence of cancer . " The bottom line after three years of research

was as follows: When you give mice the equivalent of

the 5 or 10 grams a day of vitamin C that ing recommends for people, it

about doubled the cancer rate. If you give them massive

multiple vitamins, it does, too. As you go up in dose range, you near the lethal

dose. And just under the lethal dose of vitamin C,

there starts to be a suppression of cancer "

The book goes on to explain that large doses of vitamin C have the potential to

be very " corrosive " on the body and has many other

negative effects if taken in larger amounts than we can get in our food.

Is anyone familiar with this theory?After I read this I was afraid to take the

large amounts I used to . Admittedly, the experiments

were all performed on mice.

Vitamin C and Heart Disease

Below is a link to a free e-book by Dr.Rath on the connection between

heart disease and insufficient vitamin C intake.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/About_Dr_Matthias_Rath/why_boo\

k.html

Alobar

[Guest guest]

:

I read this information many years ago and change my source of C at that time.

's account of ing is not very complimentary and makes one scratch

their head as to why he was given so much acclaim. There are other studies that

discuss that the C can cause plaque to come off in chunks and plug capillaries

and valves.

 

From: sanr@... <sanr@...>

Subject: Re: Vitamin C and Heart Disease

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:14 AM

I've been following this thread on vitamin C and have always been a believer in

supplementing it as we don't make our own. Then I

read a startling (to me) thought in the book, 'The Terrain Is Everything' by

Stockton. On page 219, regarding an experiment by

Dr. Linus ing's former colleague, Dr. Arthur on the effects of

large doses of vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid,

Dr. reports that he had done research on mice, which indicated that a

" moderate " dose of ascorbic acid resulted in an

increased incidence of cancer . " The bottom line after three years of research

was as follows: When you give mice the equivalent of

the 5 or 10 grams a day of vitamin C that ing recommends for people, it

about doubled the cancer rate. If you give them massive

multiple vitamins, it does, too. As you go up in dose range, you near the lethal

dose. And just under the lethal dose of vitamin C,

there starts to be a suppression of cancer "

The book goes on to explain that large doses of vitamin C have the potential to

be very " corrosive " on the body and has many other

negative effects if taken in larger amounts than we can get in our food.

Is anyone familiar with this theory?After I read this I was afraid to take the

large amounts I used to . Admittedly, the experiments

were all performed on mice.

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[Guest guest]

I agree that the RDA for C is ridiculous; I take 1500-2,000 mg even

though I'm using whey twice daily. Of course it's a long way from the

12,000-20,000 mg I think was suggestd by the good Drs, who didn't

mention a glutathione increase at all...

I'm glad you're up on the antioxidants Alobar; diabetes nets a LOT of

free radical damage without them.

Duncan

> > I think Dr. Rath and Dr. ing missed the point in their

approach to

> > use lots of vitamin C; that being the glutathione connection.

One of

> > the master antioxidant's roles is to recycle the other

antioxidants,

> > so if one is not low in the master antioxidant, one does not need

> > nearly as much vitamin C or the other antioxidants so normal

intakes

> > would suffice.

> >

> > Glutathione is the primary protector of cells, and especially the

> > mitochondria, the energy centers in the cells. Glutathione is

also

> > essential in the energy cycle itself, unlike the other

antioxidants

> > you'd eat in food.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duke, one can use BlockBuster AllClear to erode plaque and excess

fibrin so plaque and blood clots safely dissolve without coming off

in chunks. It also works on spontaneous blood coagulation

(coagulopathy) that affects primarily elderly people, also scar

tissue, endometrioss and adhesions. More info here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/BlockBuster-enzymes.html

Follow the link to the product dfetails page to see what's in it.

Duncan

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> From: sanr@... <sanr@...>

> Subject: Re: Vitamin C and Heart Disease

> Coconut Oil

> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:14 AM

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> I've been following this thread on vitamin C and have always been a

believer in supplementing it as we don't make our own. Then I

> read a startling (to me) thought in the book, 'The Terrain Is

Everything' by Stockton. On page 219, regarding an experiment

by

> Dr. Linus ing's former colleague, Dr. Arthur on the

effects of large doses of vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid,

> Dr. reports that he had done research on mice, which

indicated that a " moderate " dose of ascorbic acid resulted in an

> increased incidence of cancer . " The bottom line after three years

of research was as follows: When you give mice the equivalent of

> the 5 or 10 grams a day of vitamin C that ing recommends for

people, it about doubled the cancer rate. If you give them massive

> multiple vitamins, it does, too. As you go up in dose range, you

near the lethal dose. And just under the lethal dose of vitamin C,

> there starts to be a suppression of cancer "

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> The book goes on to explain that large doses of vitamin C have the

potential to be very " corrosive " on the body and has many other

> negative effects if taken in larger amounts than we can get in our

food.

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> Is anyone familiar with this theory?After I read this I was afraid

to take the large amounts I used to . Admittedly, the experiments

> were all performed on mice.

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[Guest guest]

did his experimental work on MICE. Mice make their own vitamin C.

I am reminded of reading that the initial research which supposedly

demonstrated how harmful dietary cholesterol can be was done using

guinea pigs, which do not eat meat and therefore do not normally eat

cholesterol.

Even trained scientists make mistakes. I consider to have

made a mistake.

Alobar

On 6/30/08, sanr@... <sanr@...> wrote:

> I've been following this thread on vitamin C and have always been a believer

in supplementing it as we don't make our own. Then I

> read a startling (to me) thought in the book, 'The Terrain Is Everything' by

Stockton. On page 219, regarding an experiment by

> Dr. Linus ing's former colleague, Dr. Arthur on the effects of

large doses of vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid,

> Dr. reports that he had done research on mice, which indicated that

a " moderate " dose of ascorbic acid resulted in an

> increased incidence of cancer . " The bottom line after three years of research

was as follows: When you give mice the equivalent of

> the 5 or 10 grams a day of vitamin C that ing recommends for people, it

about doubled the cancer rate. If you give them massive

> multiple vitamins, it does, too. As you go up in dose range, you near the

lethal dose. And just under the lethal dose of vitamin C,

> there starts to be a suppression of cancer "

>

> The book goes on to explain that large doses of vitamin C have the potential

to be very " corrosive " on the body and has many other

> negative effects if taken in larger amounts than we can get in our food.

>

> Is anyone familiar with this theory?After I read this I was afraid to take

the large amounts I used to . Admittedly, the experiments

> were all performed on mice.

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[Guest guest]

Plaque does not come off in chunks. I'd love to see the supposed

" research " on that one.

Alobar

On 6/30/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals@...> wrote:

> :

> I read this information many years ago and change my source of C at that

time. 's account of ing is not very complimentary and makes one

scratch their head as to why he was given so much acclaim. There are other

studies that discuss that the C can cause plaque to come off in chunks and plug

capillaries and valves.

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