Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Helen: I LOVE your story below about dismissing what people say. It's priceless and right on the money. In Duncan's case, I think Academics think that way. They need references but the rest of us can listen and learn. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: December 21, 2008 2:05 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently By the way, I don't even know why I am arguing this. Actually Alobar has a right to references if he wishes but he'll have to find them himself. Helen ________________________________ From: helen/zhebee <zhebee (DOT) <mailto:zhebee%40> com> coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> open_forum Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:20:44 AM Subject: Re: Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently You miss the point, Duncan. I am not arguing what to do about Pellegra. I was using Pellegra as an example. I am saying IF someone tells me they used ANYthing that I know to be harmless for ANY disease or ailment, I would not be dismissing it (as Alobar often does to us in this group) just because that person didn't give me a " reference " or " evidence " . Example: I have breast cysts (I don't really but suppose I did) My neighbor, " My aunt had breast cysts and got rid of them by taking kelp tablets. " Me, " Oh, really. Do you have a reference about this kelp. Has there been any studies done? " Neighbor, " Well, no, er .... " Me, " Forget it then. " Maybe I am exaggerating but you get the point. The point is not the cysts nor the kelp. It's the dismissal or refusal to learn from a neighbor simply because he doesn't have " evidence " . Helen ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow (DOT) com> coconut_oil_ open_forum Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:56:37 AM Subject: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently Helen, the published reference in your hypothetical situation contained the data that offered a way to cure your pellagra, while the common " belief " that a germ caused it allowed many people to go improperly treated. Without the DATA you wouldn't be cured because you wouldn't have known of the yeast (b-vitamin reference) at all. In your own example you needed the reference. Duncan to not have existed > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from Dr. Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set up a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago I read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to find that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some exceptions, I think. > > > > Tony > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Yes Bonnie and Helen, we can listen to and learn from what we want, but I'm quite happy that uncovered enough data to expose the myth before I " learned " it and propagated it to clients who trust my judgement Duncan > > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from Dr. > Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set up > a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a > published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from > personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a > published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago I > read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the > highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to find > that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some > exceptions, I think. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Hi Bonnie Thank you! It seems that education spoils people. Once they are educated, they can no longer think for themselves. It seems to happen right around about the time that they get their degrees. ) We are the lucky ones. Helen ________________________________ From: Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:28:10 AM Subject: back to Helen Helen: I LOVE your story below about dismissing what people say. It's priceless and right on the money. In Duncan's case, I think Academics think that way. They need references but the rest of us can listen and learn. Bonnie _____ From: coconut_oil_ open_forum [mailto:coconut_oil_ open_forum] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: December 21, 2008 2:05 PM coconut_oil_ open_forum Subject: Re: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently By the way, I don't even know why I am arguing this. Actually Alobar has a right to references if he wishes but he'll have to find them himself. Helen ____________ _________ _________ __ From: helen/zhebee <zhebee (DOT) <mailto:zhebee% 40> com> coconut_oil_ <mailto:coconut_ oil_open_ forum%40gro ups.com> open_forum@gro ups.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:20:44 AM Subject: Re: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently You miss the point, Duncan. I am not arguing what to do about Pellegra. I was using Pellegra as an example. I am saying IF someone tells me they used ANYthing that I know to be harmless for ANY disease or ailment, I would not be dismissing it (as Alobar often does to us in this group) just because that person didn't give me a " reference " or " evidence " . Example: I have breast cysts (I don't really but suppose I did) My neighbor, " My aunt had breast cysts and got rid of them by taking kelp tablets. " Me, " Oh, really. Do you have a reference about this kelp. Has there been any studies done? " Neighbor, " Well, no, er .... " Me, " Forget it then. " Maybe I am exaggerating but you get the point. The point is not the cysts nor the kelp. It's the dismissal or refusal to learn from a neighbor simply because he doesn't have " evidence " . Helen ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@ . com> coconut_oil_ open_forum Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 6:56:37 AM Subject: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Re: Alobar/dr. Bruce Fife/ Duncan - here it is again said differently Helen, the published reference in your hypothetical situation contained the data that offered a way to cure your pellagra, while the common " belief " that a germ caused it allowed many people to go improperly treated. Without the DATA you wouldn't be cured because you wouldn't have known of the yeast (b-vitamin reference) at all. In your own example you needed the reference. Duncan to not have existed > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from Dr. Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set up a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago I read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to find that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some exceptions, I think. > > > > Tony > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Duncan: What Myth are you talking about? VCO has Sterols that is well-known but how many? Who cares, no one wants to take large doses anyway, since we don't know the long-term effects. The fact that Bruce mentioned Sterols in his books about VCO means that he has already learned WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR US. Bonnie _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow Sent: December 21, 2008 2:45 PM Coconut Oil Subject: Re: back to Helen Yes Bonnie and Helen, we can listen to and learn from what we want, but I'm quite happy that uncovered enough data to expose the myth before I " learned " it and propagated it to clients who trust my judgement Duncan > > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from Dr. > Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set up > a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a > published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from > personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a > published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago I > read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the > highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to find > that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some > exceptions, I think. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 That low sterol food is somehow dose-related to your screaming high testosterone Bonnie, is the myth I exposed. Duncan > > Duncan: > > What Myth are you talking about? VCO has Sterols that is well-known but how > many? Who cares, no one wants to take large doses anyway, since we don't > know the long-term effects. > > The fact that Bruce mentioned Sterols in his books about VCO means that he > has already learned WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR US. > > Bonnie > <excess posts trimmed by moderator> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 It's quite silly to say that I can't think for myself after reading data; in fact the exact reverse is true. DATA gave me documented reasons to avoid soy, corn,and canola oil rather than believing those who ignorant of the data. You couldn't seriously expect otherwise. If I failed to question what the rest of the idiots believe is " common knowledge " and didn't think for myself I'd still be swilling the wrong oils like they do, so I'm glad to be quite different from those people Please expect my challenges to commonly-held fantasies to continue to entertain you Duncan > > > I think there are some exceptions. Like if the fact came from Dr. > Fife's professional practice. For example I can describe how to set up > a production facility for virgin coconut oil, but I cannot cite a > published reference because the knowledge (not conjecture) came from > personal experience. Sometimes it is also impractical to cite a > published reference. Like during my engineering education years ago I > read a book that says all limestone deposits including those on the > highest mountains all came from the sea. But I dont have time to find > that book again so that I can cite it as reference. Just some > exceptions, I think. > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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