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While I have reservations about the appropriate expertise of naturopaths in serious disease issues, the correlations between thyroid problems and celiac have been extensively researched, as is exemplified by the below abstract from pubmed.gov. I think two important things must be considered for those with celiac and thyroid problems: assiduously follow a gluten free diet and realize that there are other conditions that could cause the thyroiditis.Thyroid. 2008 Nov;18(11):1171-8.Tissue

transglutaminase antibodies in individuals with celiac disease bind to thyroid follicles and extracellular matrix and may contribute to thyroid

dysfunction.Naiyer AJ, Shah J, L, Kim SY, Ciaccio EJ, Cheng J, Manavalan S, Bhagat G, Green PH.Department

of Medicine, Celiac Disease Center at Columbia University, College of Physicians and Surgeons, New York, New York 10032, USA.Comment in:Nat Rev Endocrinol. 2009 Apr;5(4):190-1. AbstractBACKGROUND: Individuals

with active celiac disease (CD+) have an increased incidence of thyroid

dysfunction, which improves on a gluten-free diet (CD-). We investigated whether tissue transglutaminase-2 IgA antibodies (anti-TGase II) present in sera of patients with celiac disease react with thyroid tissue and possibly contribute to thyroid disease.METHODS: Serum

from 40 active celiac patients taken before a gluten-free diet (CD+), 46 patients on a gluten-free diet (CD-), 40 normal controls (NC), and 25

with Crohn's disease (CROHN) was used. All sera were screened for antithyroperoxidase antibodies (TPO-AB) and thyroglobulin antibodies (TG-AB), and indirect immunofluorescence (IIF) was performed on primate thyroid tissue sections using TPO-AB- and TG-AB-negative sera.RESULTS: IIF

with thyroid seronegative, anti-TGase II-positive CD+ sera (n = 23) demonstrated staining of thyroid follicular cells and extracellular matrix, in an identical pattern with monoclonal anti-human TGase II antibody. Evidence of TGase II as the antigen in thyroid tissue was supported by elimination of the IIF pattern when sera were depleted of anti-TGase II by pretreatment with human recombinant TGase II. No staining of thyroid tissue was observed when sera from CD+ patients that

were negative for TGase II antibodies, or sera from NC subjects were used. Thyroid antibodies were found in 43% of CD+ patients, significantly higher than NC and CROHN patients (p < 0.0001). In addition, a positive correlation was observed between anti-TGase II and TPO-AB titers (p = 0.0001; r = 0.63).CONCLUSIONS: Anti-TGase

II antibodies bind to TGase II in thyroid tissue, and titers correlate with TPO antibody titers. These findings suggest that anti-TGase II antibodies could contribute to the development of thyroid disease in celiac disease.PMID: 19014325 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] HogleFreelance academic librarianInstructor, online researchEmail: jjhogle@...Web: (under de- and re-construction) www.blueroom.comReality ain't what you think it isArt Graphics & Photographs[http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm]From: li_cynthia <cynth.li@...> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:18:52 AMSubject: [ ] book suggestion for thyroid/gluten connection

I should add that a book that might be helpful to those of you still

with thyroid symptoms despite doctors telling you that you're fine is

Dr. Kharrazian's "Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms?" He is a

naturopath and explains in great detail the differences between

various thyroid test results and also about the inflammation that the

thyroid undergoes. He strongly recommends everyone with

autoimmune-type (Hashimoto's & /or postpartum) thyroiditis remove

gluten ( & possibly dairy) for life. Here is more info:http://www.thyroidbook.com/about-dr-kharrazian.html

And for those of you that said you are gluten free but still requiring

high & /or escalating doses of thyroid supplement, if you are not

already dairy free, you should think about either doing an elimination

test (2 weeks off dairy all together, then reintroduce gently and see

if there are any symptoms-- can be anything from GI symptoms to a

change in energy levels, or any noticeable difference, really) or get

tested for it. www.enterolab does stool sampling for dairy

sensitivity, which is a different test than a dairy "allergy" blood

test (the latter may not pick up the sensitivity). It is estimated

that 30% of celiacs have a concurrent cow milk allergy, and that up to

60% have a concurrent one with goat milk, so you would need to

eliminate all dairy, including butter. Goat milk sensitivity testing

is not available, to my knowledge, clinically, b/c its consumption is

not common enough to develop a commercial test for it. This is

information I have gathered through reading papers out of Europe where

they have conducted specific research to test for this.

Hope this is helpful to some of you!

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Just wanted to mention that I recently (within the last few weeks) cut out dairy and I feel like I have TOO much energy now. It's really amazing to see the difference with no dairy. I had tried to cut it all out except butter and didn't have good results. This time got rid of butter too and I'm amazed. And I'm losing lots of weight (good thing, I really needed to lose weight) and just feel better.JasmineFrom: li_cynthia <cynth.li@...>Subject: [ ] book suggestion for thyroid/gluten connection Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 9:18 AM

I should add that a book that might be helpful to those of you still

with thyroid symptoms despite doctors telling you that you're fine is

Dr. Kharrazian's "Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms?" He is a

naturopath and explains in great detail the differences between

various thyroid test results and also about the inflammation that the

thyroid undergoes. He strongly recommends everyone with

autoimmune-type (Hashimoto's & /or postpartum) thyroiditis remove

gluten ( & possibly dairy) for life. Here is more info:

http://www.thyroidbook.com/about-dr-kharrazian.html

And for those of you that said you are gluten free but still requiring

high & /or escalating doses of thyroid supplement, if you are not

already dairy free, you should think about either doing an elimination

test (2 weeks off dairy all together, then reintroduce gently and see

if there are any symptoms-- can be anything from GI symptoms to a

change in energy levels, or any noticeable difference, really) or get

tested for it. www.enterolab does stool sampling for dairy

sensitivity, which is a different test than a dairy "allergy" blood

test (the latter may not pick up the sensitivity). It is estimated

that 30% of celiacs have a concurrent cow milk allergy, and that up to

60% have a concurrent one with goat milk, so you would need to

eliminate all dairy, including butter. Goat milk sensitivity testing

is not available, to my knowledge, clinically, b/c its consumption is

not common enough to develop a commercial test for it. This is

information I have gathered through reading papers out of Europe where

they have conducted specific research to test for this.

Hope this is helpful to some of you!

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Jasmine, Thanks for your email--I have been wondering if the dairy is causing some of my symptoms as well--I have to say I am afraid to go dairy free and feel better because the thought of no cheese or lattes makes me sad. They are one of the few pleasures i have left. You have motivated me to try, since my health is more important.JillFrom: li_cynthia <cynth.li@...>Subject: [ ] book suggestion for thyroid/gluten connection Date: Thursday, February 3, 2011, 9:18 AM

I should add that a book that might be helpful to those of you still

with thyroid symptoms despite doctors telling you that you're fine is

Dr. Kharrazian's "Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms?" He is a

naturopath and explains in great detail the differences between

various thyroid test results and also about the inflammation that the

thyroid undergoes. He strongly recommends everyone with

autoimmune-type (Hashimoto's & /or postpartum) thyroiditis remove

gluten ( & possibly dairy) for life. Here is more info:

http://www.thyroidbook.com/about-dr-kharrazian.html

And for those of you that said you are gluten free but still requiring

high & /or escalating doses of thyroid supplement, if you are not

already dairy free, you should think about either doing an elimination

test (2 weeks off dairy all together, then reintroduce gently and see

if there are any symptoms-- can be anything from GI symptoms to a

change in energy levels, or any noticeable difference, really) or get

tested for it. www.enterolab does stool sampling for dairy

sensitivity, which is a different test than a dairy "allergy" blood

test (the latter may not pick up the sensitivity). It is estimated

that 30% of celiacs have a concurrent cow milk allergy, and that up to

60% have a concurrent one with goat milk, so you would need to

eliminate all dairy, including butter. Goat milk sensitivity testing

is not available, to my knowledge, clinically, b/c its consumption is

not common enough to develop a commercial test for it. This is

information I have gathered through reading papers out of Europe where

they have conducted specific research to test for this.

Hope this is helpful to some of you!

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Once in awhile I will become dairy sensitive. I go off for a couple weeks and

then reintroduce it and I seem to be fine. I think I become sensitive right

after I get accidently glutenized.

What I do in the meantime, because like you...I love my latte's and my

cappacino's...I use soy milk...can you have soy?

Cheese is one of the hardest things to give up but I know it is only temporary.

:)

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> Dr. Kharrazian's " Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? " He is a

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> naturopath and explains in great detail the differences between

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> various thyroid test results and also about the inflammation that the

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> thyroid undergoes. He strongly recommends everyone with

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> autoimmune-type (Hashimoto's & /or postpartum) thyroiditis remove

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> gluten ( & possibly dairy) for life. Here is more info:

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> http://www.thyroidbook.com/about-dr-kharrazian.html

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> And for those of you that said you are gluten free but still requiring

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> high & /or escalating doses of thyroid supplement, if you are not

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> already dairy free, you should think about either doing an elimination

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> test (2 weeks off dairy all together, then reintroduce gently and see

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> if there are any symptoms-- can be anything from GI symptoms to a

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> change in energy levels, or any noticeable difference, really) or get

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> tested for it. www.enterolab does stool sampling for dairy

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> sensitivity, which is a different test than a dairy " allergy " blood

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> test (the latter may not pick up the sensitivity). It is estimated

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> that 30% of celiacs have a concurrent cow milk allergy, and that up to

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> 60% have a concurrent one with goat milk, so you would need to

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> eliminate all dairy, including butter. Goat milk sensitivity testing

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> is not available, to my knowledge, clinically, b/c its consumption is

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> not common enough to develop a commercial test for it. This is

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> information I have gathered through reading papers out of Europe where

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> they have conducted specific research to test for this.

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> Hope this is helpful to some of you!

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Yes, you are correct to be cautious with naturopathy, and this should be applied

to all approaches to health. Supplements can be dangerous to one's health, and

as an MD, I know that many alternative supplements and herbs have not been fully

tested out, especially in combination with each other & /or pharmaceuticals.

With all things, listen to your body first and foremost. My tone and intent in

my emails was not meant to be critical of one particular approach vs. another--

but more to shed light on why people are feeling frustrated and hitting dead

ends when trying to find a conventional endocrinologist who understands the

gluten connection.

With regards to the gluten/thyroid connection, Dr. Green, who is a celiac

expert at Columbia Med Center and very far conservative as far as the spectrum

of clinicians goes, talks extensively about it as well. He also has a section

on it in his book " Celiac Disease: A Hidden Epidemic. " He is a GI doctor.

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> While I have reservations about the appropriate expertise of naturopaths in

> serious disease issues, the correlations between thyroid problems and celiac

> have been extensively researched, as is exemplified by the below abstract from

> pubmed.gov. I think two important things must be considered for those with

> celiac and thyroid problems: assiduously follow a gluten free diet and

realize

> that there are other conditions that could cause the thyroiditis.

>

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> Thyroid. 2008 Nov;18(11):1171-8.

> Tissue transglutaminase antibodies in individuals with celiac disease bind to

> thyroid follicles and extracellular matrix and may contribute to thyroid

> dysfunction.

> Naiyer AJ, Shah J, L, Kim SY, Ciaccio EJ, Cheng J, Manavalan S,

Bhagat

> G, Green PH.

> Department of Medicine, Celiac Disease Center at Columbia University, College

> of Physicians and Surgeons, New York, New York 10032, USA.

> Comment in:

> * Nat Rev Endocrinol. 2009 Apr;5(4):190-1.

> Abstract

> BACKGROUND:Individuals with active celiac disease (CD+) have an increased

> incidence of thyroid dysfunction, which improves on a gluten-free diet (CD-).

> We investigated whether tissue transglutaminase-2 IgA antibodies (anti-TGase

> II) present in sera of patients with celiac disease react with thyroid tissue

> and possibly contribute to thyroid disease.

> METHODS: Serum from 40 active celiac patients taken before a gluten-free diet

> (CD+), 46 patients on a gluten-free diet (CD-), 40 normal controls (NC), and

25

> with Crohn's disease (CROHN) was used. All sera were screened for

> antithyroperoxidase antibodies (TPO-AB) and thyroglobulin antibodies (TG-AB),

> and indirect immunofluorescence (IIF) was performed on primate thyroid tissue

> sections using TPO-AB- and TG-AB-negative sera.

> RESULTS: IIF with thyroid seronegative, anti-TGase II-positive CD+ sera (n =

> 23) demonstrated staining of thyroid follicular cells and extracellular

> matrix, in an identical pattern with monoclonal anti-human TGase II antibody.

> Evidence of TGase II as the antigen in thyroid tissue was supported by

> elimination of the IIF pattern when sera were depleted of anti-TGase II by

> pretreatment with human recombinant TGase II. No staining of thyroid tissue

was

> observed when sera from CD+ patients that were negative for TGase II

> antibodies, or sera from NC subjects were used. Thyroid antibodies were found

> in 43% of CD+ patients, significantly higher than NC and CROHN patients (p <

> 0.0001). In addition, a positive correlation was observed between anti-TGase

II

> and TPO-AB titers (p = 0.0001; r = 0.63).

> CONCLUSIONS: Anti-TGase II antibodies bind to TGase II in thyroid tissue, and

> titers correlate with TPO antibody titers. These findings suggest that

> anti-TGase II antibodies could contribute to the development of thyroid

disease

> in celiac disease.

> PMID: 19014325 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> Hogle

> Freelance academic librarian

> Instructor, online research

> Email: jjhogle@...

> Web: (under de- and re-construction) www.blueroom.com

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> Reality ain't what you think it is

> Art Graphics & Photographs

> [http://www.blueroom.com/realityaint.htm]

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> From: li_cynthia <cynth.li@...>

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> Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:18:52 AM

> Subject: [ ] book suggestion for thyroid/gluten connection

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> I should add that a book that might be helpful to those of you still

> with thyroid symptoms despite doctors telling you that you're fine is

> Dr. Kharrazian's " Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms? " He is a

> naturopath and explains in great detail the differences between

> various thyroid test results and also about the inflammation that the

> thyroid undergoes. He strongly recommends everyone with

> autoimmune-type (Hashimoto's & /or postpartum) thyroiditis remove

> gluten ( & possibly dairy) for life. Here is more info:

>

> http://www.thyroidbook.com/about-dr-kharrazian.html

>

> And for those of you that said you are gluten free but still requiring

> high & /or escalating doses of thyroid supplement, if you are not

> already dairy free, you should think about either doing an elimination

> test (2 weeks off dairy all together, then reintroduce gently and see

> if there are any symptoms-- can be anything from GI symptoms to a

> change in energy levels, or any noticeable difference, really) or get

> tested for it. www.enterolab does stool sampling for dairy

> sensitivity, which is a different test than a dairy " allergy " blood

> test (the latter may not pick up the sensitivity). It is estimated

> that 30% of celiacs have a concurrent cow milk allergy, and that up to

> 60% have a concurrent one with goat milk, so you would need to

> eliminate all dairy, including butter. Goat milk sensitivity testing

> is not available, to my knowledge, clinically, b/c its consumption is

> not common enough to develop a commercial test for it. This is

> information I have gathered through reading papers out of Europe where

> they have conducted specific research to test for this.

>

> Hope this is helpful to some of you!

>

>

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