Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You can't fix stupid.

[Guest guest]

I second your response to Duncan.

Alobar

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM, van essa <vandalsem@...> wrote:

> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

> wanted to.

>

> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>

> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>

> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>

> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

> in the wholistic field of health.

>

> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> - Van Dalsem

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar

In regard to the Subject of this post, do you

have references for that statement or is it

just conjecture?

You aren't calling us who don't agree with

you " stupid " are you? I would expect that

you are since you think you are the

brightest one in the group. If you are

calling us " stupid " (or me in particular)

what does that make you? Don't answer

as I already know.

Helen

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:18:12 PM

Subject: Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You can't

fix stupid.

I second your response to Duncan.

Alobar

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM, van essa <vandalsemcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

> wanted to.

>

> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>

> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>

> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>

> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

> in the wholistic field of health.

>

> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> - Van Dalsem

>

>

[Guest guest]

Helen,

I was commenting to . I saw no reason to confuse things by

changing the subject line. I applaud Duncan for his patient

explaining and references he gives because it helps me to understand

much more about how my body works.

While you can be irritable and seem to be deliberately dense in

discussions sometimes, I have no reason to believe you are stupid or

ignorant. To me, stupid is being incapable of learning. Ignorance

can be remedied easily, provided an ignorant person wants to learn.

But even stupidity can be reversed sometimes. However, what

research I have read (see

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/01/omega-3-affects-iq-and-behavior.php)

deals with increasing IQ of children by feeding pregnant mothers more

omega 3 oils. So that probably would not help a slow adult.

But some forms of old-age mental degeneration can be helped via supplements.

Alpha Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L Carnitine help older folks become more

active, more inquisitive, and more able to grasp new ways of thinking

and behaving.

http://www.heart-health-for-life.com/alpha-lipoic-acid.html

Benfotiamine helps to reduce Advanced Glycation End products.

http://www.smart-drugs.net/info-benfotiamine.htm

I have been taking all 3 supplements now for the past 7 years. It is

now far easier for me to relate to people outside of my normal social

peer group, I am less stuck in un-productive ruts, and it is far

easier for me to apprehend and comprehend new information. My mind

feels much younger and more flexible than it did a decade, or even 2

decades ago. But that is purely a subjective evaluation. I have no

idea whether others would feel similarly if they chose to use those 3

supplements.

As to whether you are ignorant or stupid, I cannot say. However,

your statements below sure seem like you have hostility based in

prejudice, feeling threatened, and/or a mind which is, perhaps, not

as agile as the minds of some other people.

> It seems that education spoils people.

> Once they are educated,

> they can no longer think for themselves.

> It seems to happen right around about the time that they get their degrees.

)

> We are the lucky ones.

> Helen

But just because that is what it seems to me does not mean I know you,

your motives, or what prompts you to behave as you do. That's not

something I could judge even if we were housemates or lovers.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:38 AM, helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote:

>

> Alobar

>

> In regard to the Subject of this post, do you

> have references for that statement or is it

> just conjecture?

>

> You aren't calling us who don't agree with

> you " stupid " are you? I would expect that

> you are since you think you are the

> brightest one in the group. If you are

> calling us " stupid " (or me in particular)

> what does that make you? Don't answer

> as I already know.

>

> Helen

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:18:12 PM

> Subject: Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You

can't fix stupid.

>

>

> I second your response to Duncan.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM, van essa <vandalsemcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

>> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

>> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

>> wanted to.

>>

>> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

>> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>>

>> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>>

>> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

>> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

>> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

>> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

>> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

>> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>>

>> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

>> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

>> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

>> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

>> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

>> in the wholistic field of health.

>>

>> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

>> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>> - Van Dalsem

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar

So then who are you calling " stupid " ?

I have nothing against references and/or evidence

per se so I, too, appreciate Duncan's and your

efforts to provide such but I do not put full stock in

them because the reference itself could be be wrong

in one way or another but it doesn't hurt to take a

look at it. It might even be useful.

If someone on the group says something that interests

me but is something I know little about and they do not

back it with 'evidence' then I do my own research. I

would never offend them for having been kind enough

to share.

What bothers me is the way you dismiss any comments

people make, as nothing, if they are not backing them

with a 'reference' or 'evidence' or a clinical trial or

science.

Much of science, to me, is a joke. It is science

that kills 160,000 people a year in the USA and

that is a conservative figure. There are people

who say that the figure is 780,000 killed by

drugs, doctors' actions, hospitals, nursing

homes, etc all of which are based on some kind

of science or another.

I am sure there is 'good' science but even that

has its limitations and certainly is not the 'god'

that so many try to make it.

Ihave gotten some great information from people

on this group who did not give any evidence or

references and their information was valuable

to me and therefore leads me to believe that it

was also valuable to others.

As for your snide remarks about my intelligence

or the lack of it, in YOUR opinion, I make no

comments. I don't need to prove anything to you,

....or others for that matter.

Have a good day.

Helen

________________________________

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:26:41 AM

Subject: Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You can't

fix stupid.

Helen,

I was commenting to . I saw no reason to confuse things by

changing the subject line. I applaud Duncan for his patient

explaining and references he gives because it helps me to understand

much more about how my body works.

While you can be irritable and seem to be deliberately dense in

discussions sometimes, I have no reason to believe you are stupid or

ignorant. To me, stupid is being incapable of learning. Ignorance

can be remedied easily, provided an ignorant person wants to learn.

But even stupidity can be reversed sometimes. However, what

research I have read (see

http://www.gnxp. com/blog/ 2006/01/omega- 3-affects- iq-and-behavior. php)

deals with increasing IQ of children by feeding pregnant mothers more

omega 3 oils. So that probably would not help a slow adult.

But some forms of old-age mental degeneration can be helped via supplements.

Alpha Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L Carnitine help older folks become more

active, more inquisitive, and more able to grasp new ways of thinking

and behaving.

http://www.heart- health-for- life.com/ alpha-lipoic- acid.html

Benfotiamine helps to reduce Advanced Glycation End products.

http://www.smart- drugs.net/ info-benfotiamin e.htm

I have been taking all 3 supplements now for the past 7 years. It is

now far easier for me to relate to people outside of my normal social

peer group, I am less stuck in un-productive ruts, and it is far

easier for me to apprehend and comprehend new information. My mind

feels much younger and more flexible than it did a decade, or even 2

decades ago. But that is purely a subjective evaluation. I have no

idea whether others would feel similarly if they chose to use those 3

supplements.

As to whether you are ignorant or stupid, I cannot say. However,

your statements below sure seem like you have hostility based in

prejudice, feeling threatened, and/or a mind which is, perhaps, not

as agile as the minds of some other people.

> It seems that education spoils people.

> Once they are educated,

> they can no longer think for themselves.

> It seems to happen right around about the time that they get their degrees.

)

> We are the lucky ones.

> Helen

But just because that is what it seems to me does not mean I know you,

your motives, or what prompts you to behave as you do. That's not

something I could judge even if we were housemates or lovers.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:38 AM, helen/zhebee <zhebee (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Alobar

>

> In regard to the Subject of this post, do you

> have references for that statement or is it

> just conjecture?

>

> You aren't calling us who don't agree with

> you " stupid " are you? I would expect that

> you are since you think you are the

> brightest one in the group. If you are

> calling us " stupid " (or me in particular)

> what does that make you? Don't answer

> as I already know.

>

> Helen

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Alobar <AlobarGmail (DOT) com>

> coconut_oil_ open_forum

> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:18:12 PM

> Subject: Re: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Ignorance is a curable disease. You

can't fix stupid.

>

>

> I second your response to Duncan.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM, van essa <vandalsemcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

>> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

>> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

>> wanted to.

>>

>> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

>> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>>

>> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>>

>> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

>> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

>> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

>> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

>> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

>> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>>

>> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

>> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

>> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

>> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

>> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

>> in the wholistic field of health.

>>

>> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

>> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>> - Van Dalsem

>>

>>

>

[Guest guest]

As I said in the earlier post, I did not want to add to confusion by

starting yet another thread. Also, when I reply to email in my Gmail

browser page, I am not shown the subject line unless I hit the " edit

subject " button.

My original post on this particular thread was intended to agree with

's comments about Duncan.

Alobar

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:13 AM, helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote:

>

> Alobar

>

> So then who are you calling " stupid " ?

>

> I have nothing against references and/or evidence

> per se so I, too, appreciate Duncan's and your

> efforts to provide such but I do not put full stock in

> them because the reference itself could be be wrong

> in one way or another but it doesn't hurt to take a

> look at it. It might even be useful.

>

> If someone on the group says something that interests

> me but is something I know little about and they do not

> back it with 'evidence' then I do my own research. I

> would never offend them for having been kind enough

> to share.

>

> What bothers me is the way you dismiss any comments

> people make, as nothing, if they are not backing them

> with a 'reference' or 'evidence' or a clinical trial or

> science.

>

> Much of science, to me, is a joke. It is science

> that kills 160,000 people a year in the USA and

> that is a conservative figure. There are people

> who say that the figure is 780,000 killed by

> drugs, doctors' actions, hospitals, nursing

> homes, etc all of which are based on some kind

> of science or another.

>

> I am sure there is 'good' science but even that

> has its limitations and certainly is not the 'god'

> that so many try to make it.

>

> Ihave gotten some great information from people

> on this group who did not give any evidence or

> references and their information was valuable

> to me and therefore leads me to believe that it

> was also valuable to others.

>

> As for your snide remarks about my intelligence

> or the lack of it, in YOUR opinion, I make no

> comments. I don't need to prove anything to you,

> ...or others for that matter.

>

> Have a good day.

>

> Helen

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

> Coconut Oil

> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:26:41 AM

> Subject: Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You

can't fix stupid.

>

>

> Helen,

> I was commenting to . I saw no reason to confuse things by

> changing the subject line. I applaud Duncan for his patient

> explaining and references he gives because it helps me to understand

> much more about how my body works.

>

> While you can be irritable and seem to be deliberately dense in

> discussions sometimes, I have no reason to believe you are stupid or

> ignorant. To me, stupid is being incapable of learning. Ignorance

> can be remedied easily, provided an ignorant person wants to learn.

> But even stupidity can be reversed sometimes. However, what

> research I have read (see

> http://www.gnxp. com/blog/ 2006/01/omega- 3-affects- iq-and-behavior. php)

> deals with increasing IQ of children by feeding pregnant mothers more

> omega 3 oils. So that probably would not help a slow adult.

>

> But some forms of old-age mental degeneration can be helped via supplements.

> Alpha Lipoic Acid and Acetyl L Carnitine help older folks become more

> active, more inquisitive, and more able to grasp new ways of thinking

> and behaving.

> http://www.heart- health-for- life.com/ alpha-lipoic- acid.html

>

> Benfotiamine helps to reduce Advanced Glycation End products.

> http://www.smart- drugs.net/ info-benfotiamin e.htm

>

> I have been taking all 3 supplements now for the past 7 years. It is

> now far easier for me to relate to people outside of my normal social

> peer group, I am less stuck in un-productive ruts, and it is far

> easier for me to apprehend and comprehend new information. My mind

> feels much younger and more flexible than it did a decade, or even 2

> decades ago. But that is purely a subjective evaluation. I have no

> idea whether others would feel similarly if they chose to use those 3

> supplements.

>

> As to whether you are ignorant or stupid, I cannot say. However,

> your statements below sure seem like you have hostility based in

> prejudice, feeling threatened, and/or a mind which is, perhaps, not

> as agile as the minds of some other people.

>

>> It seems that education spoils people.

>> Once they are educated,

>> they can no longer think for themselves.

>> It seems to happen right around about the time that they get their degrees.

)

>

>> We are the lucky ones.

>

>> Helen

>

> But just because that is what it seems to me does not mean I know you,

> your motives, or what prompts you to behave as you do. That's not

> something I could judge even if we were housemates or lovers.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:38 AM, helen/zhebee <zhebee (DOT) com> wrote:

>>

>> Alobar

>>

>> In regard to the Subject of this post, do you

>> have references for that statement or is it

>> just conjecture?

>>

>> You aren't calling us who don't agree with

>> you " stupid " are you? I would expect that

>> you are since you think you are the

>> brightest one in the group. If you are

>> calling us " stupid " (or me in particular)

>> what does that make you? Don't answer

>> as I already know.

>>

>> Helen

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>> From: Alobar <AlobarGmail (DOT) com>

>> coconut_oil_ open_forum

>> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:18:12 PM

>> Subject: Re: [coconut_oil_ open_forum] Ignorance is a curable disease. You

can't fix stupid.

>>

>>

>> I second your response to Duncan.

>>

>> Alobar

>>

>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 PM, van essa <vandalsemcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:

>>> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

>>> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

>>> wanted to.

>>>

>>> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

>>> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>>>

>>> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>>>

>>> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

>>> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

>>> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

>>> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

>>> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

>>> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>>>

>>> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

>>> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

>>> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

>>> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

>>> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

>>> in the wholistic field of health.

>>>

>>> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

>>> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>>>

>>> Sincerely,

>>>

>>> - Van Dalsem

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , for speaking out for all of us who TOTALLY support

your views on Duncan. He is a knowledgeable and generous spirit.

Love and Laughter,

Anne Zipkes

Hot Springs, AR

>

> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

> wanted to.

>

> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>

> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>

> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>

> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

> in the wholistic field of health.

>

> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> - Van Dalsem

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan's last name is not " Shaw " . It's Crow.

Mr. Duncan Crow

Helen

________________________________

From: annezipkes <acutez@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 4:20:30 AM

Subject: Re: Ignorance is a curable disease. You can't

fix stupid.

Thank you, , for speaking out for all of us who TOTALLY support

your views on Duncan. He is a knowledgeable and generous spirit.

Love and Laughter,

Anne Zipkes

Hot Springs, AR

>

> This was going to be a flame. But, my karma and my husband got the

> best of me. He said I couldn't come to bed tonight if I posted what I

> wanted to.

>

> Instead, this shall be a formal, certifiable, full of 100% pure

> gratitude, Thank You post to Dr. Duncan Shaw.

>

> Dear Dr. Shaw,

>

> Please consider this my most humble of addresses to you. I sincerely

> and with deepest gratitude would like to say Thank You so very much

> for being there in our little existences via the Coconut Oil Open

> Forum. I have come to value and appreciate your time and opinions

> very much. Free of charge. Every post. And most certainly every

> time I've posted a specific question to you and you've responded back.

>

> The world can be a harsh and empty void when trying draw information

> and comfort, especially where complicated health issues can be. But

> you've taken the time and energy to offer help and assistance to so

> many people you don't even know personally - treat them with kindness

> and courtesy as well as offering your wealth of knowledge and wisdom

> in the wholistic field of health.

>

> The world is a better place because of you and the knowledge that you

> have freely shared and that truly speaks the colors of your intentions.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> - Van Dalsem

>