Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 My doctor, although not knowing much about CRON, is empathetic and I think that's all you need. Walford outlines tests on pg 35-40 and 227-228 of " Beyond " These are: BP, cholesterol, fasting glucose, WBC and others. See the table on pg 44. on 3/1/2004 12:54 PM, bernadettepawlik at bernadettepawlik@... wrote: > I recently changed doctors when my primary care physician stated to me > emphatically: It is not our goal to have you live to be 100. My > thinking (unstated was): Well, then what good are you!? > > I'm just curious as to how many other CRONERS have discussed their > croning with their physicians. My new physician is more open minded > but I have yet to raise CRONING with her. > > My specific reason for asking this (other than the desire to > procrastinate on MOnday!) is that I'd like to know what tests I need > to have done (I have an annual physical) to see if my CRONING is > " working " .) > > Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Yeah, discussed with physician- Generally supportive, as long as BP, cholesterol, etc. within healthy range and don't become anorexic, food fetishist, etc. Tests: BP, HR, usual blood counts (WBC with differential, HCT, HGB, etc.); lipid profile, thyroid function, liver enzymes, electrolytes, glucose, creatine, BUN, etc. (all part of usual, relatively thorough work-up). Maybe also Hb1Ac, insulin. >From: " bernadettepawlik " <bernadettepawlik@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Docs and CR >Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:54:44 -0000 > >I recently changed doctors when my primary care physician stated to me >emphatically: It is not our goal to have you live to be 100. My >thinking (unstated was): Well, then what good are you!? > >I'm just curious as to how many other CRONERS have discussed their >croning with their physicians. My new physician is more open minded >but I have yet to raise CRONING with her. > >My specific reason for asking this (other than the desire to >procrastinate on MOnday!) is that I'd like to know what tests I need >to have done (I have an annual physical) to see if my CRONING is > " working " .) > >Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 : interestingly you didn't give us your weight. If you were thin to begin with and went almost 20% below that, she may have reason to be alarmed. Moderation is the best way to go. on 3/1/2004 1:33 PM, susan at bluedragonfly128@... wrote: > I have always been health conscious. I run, am weight training, and have > always watched what I eat. I generally consume 1200- 1500 cal per day ( I am > female, 5'4, 35 years old). The CR lifesyle has been easy for me to adapt to > since it is similar to what I have done already. My BP, heart rate, and all > blood tests are within normal range, and cholesterol is 120. BUT, because I am > 18 % below the " ideal " body weight. I was diagnosed with anorexia. When I > discussed CRONing with her, she suggested a therapist. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 I'm also 5'4 " . The lowest I ever weighed in my life was 108. At that weight I was truly a bag of bones and alarmingly skinny (I was ill at the time). Are you sure you're not losing bone mass? Do you menstruate? Just some things to consider. No need to reply if you don't want to - but I'd be careful about health problems such as osteoporosis which is " silent " and not obvious. on 3/1/2004 2:07 PM, susan at bluedragonfly128@... wrote: > I think alarmed is a bit of an overstatement, since I have not had any adverse > health problems. My weight at present is 90 lbs, but usually maintain at about > 92 lbs. Most of my adult life I weighed about 104. I believe my *ideal* body > weight would be around 110. I am healthier now than I was when I was 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Docs are in business to treat patients ills and write prescriptions. I don't think they know how to extend life. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: bernadettepawlik Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [ ] Docs and CR I recently changed doctors when my primary care physician stated to meemphatically: It is not our goal to have you live to be 100. Mythinking (unstated was): Well, then what good are you!?I'm just curious as to how many other CRONERS have discussed theircroning with their physicians. My new physician is more open mindedbut I have yet to raise CRONING with her.My specific reason for asking this (other than the desire toprocrastinate on MOnday!) is that I'd like to know what tests I needto have done (I have an annual physical) to see if my CRONING is"working".)Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Not sure anyone does really, for certain, know how to extend life....but, I think it is rather passive-aggressive and immature and needlessly spiteful of this physician to make such a statement contrary to their patient's stated goals. Even if this physician did not think success probable or very likely, the least they could have done was to pledge their support for such a noble and admirable goal! >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:08:36 -0600 > >Docs are in business to treat patients ills and write prescriptions. I >don't think they know how to extend life. > >Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bernadettepawlik > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: [ ] Docs and CR > > > I recently changed doctors when my primary care physician stated to me > emphatically: It is not our goal to have you live to be 100. My > thinking (unstated was): Well, then what good are you!? > > I'm just curious as to how many other CRONERS have discussed their > croning with their physicians. My new physician is more open minded > but I have yet to raise CRONING with her. > > My specific reason for asking this (other than the desire to > procrastinate on MOnday!) is that I'd like to know what tests I need > to have done (I have an annual physical) to see if my CRONING is > " working " .) > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 There's a lot of things physicians could do I guess if they were in that business. But take for example the fitness folks (just to offer another category of folks who know really nothing about life extension, but think they do). I get a great deal of conflicting info from them yet they're not criticized for going beyond their expertise. My comment is simply that docs have no expertise in the area. I'm not sure anyone has an expertise, as you suggest. We can wobble about all the beliefs and disbeliefs, but it's pointless to complain about any one group for not knowing how to do what may be impossible. Certainly encouragement is essential for some, but I get to talk to my doc for maybe 15 mins, and I can't waste time talking about things he doesn't know. I never bring the subject up and if she asks about my weight loss, I simply say "I'm trying to get my weight down - I think I'll be healthier and it may extend my life". I have a very astute doc and I don't think she knows what extension is. I can tell you if I go in with 10 # lost in May it will excite her to run some more tests. Treating patients is a diff field. To whom would you address the question: "How do I live longer?"? The scientists who incessantly discuss elegans, eg? I've been reading the life-extension type groups for quite a few years, and the books, and I don't see any science to hang my hat. Logon to mdconsult.com and search for a source containing "life extension". There are 12 med texts, but they don't use the words as a noun. There is no protocol for life extension as we use it. They are recently logging alternative med books, but that's so they'll know what their patients are doing. They probably make spiteful comments on the use of herbs, too. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dowling Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR Not sure anyone does really, for certain, know how to extend life....but, I think it is rather passive-aggressive and immature and needlessly spiteful of this physician to make such a statement contrary to their patient's stated goals. Even if this physician did not think success probable or very likely, the least they could have done was to pledge their support for such a noble and admirable goal!>From: "jwwright" <jwwright@...>>Reply- >< >>Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:08:36 -0600>>Docs are in business to treat patients ills and write prescriptions. I >don't think they know how to extend life.>>Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I agree with you, JW: traditionally, medicine has not been interested or, rather, disinterested in anything resembling life extension. Times are changing, bit by bit, though, and there are a few physicians in the field of life extension and anti-aging medicine. These will tend to be those, at this point, who are a bit more adventurous, independent minded, non-traditional, and less bound by peer pressure than most. And still, at this point, a very small minority, and almost outcasts amoung the medical community. The idea of life extension is heresy for many in the medical community, as well as the community at large. There is this, rather peripheral organization: The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine http://www.worldhealth.net/index.php?p=52 >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 09:12:59 -0600 > >There's a lot of things physicians could do I guess if they were in that >business. But take for example the fitness folks (just to offer another >category of folks who know really nothing about life extension, but think >they do). I get a great deal of conflicting info from them yet they're not >criticized for going beyond their expertise. My comment is simply that docs >have no expertise in the area. I'm not sure anyone has an expertise, as you >suggest. We can wobble about all the beliefs and disbeliefs, but it's >pointless to complain about any one group for not knowing how to do what >may be impossible. > >Certainly encouragement is essential for some, but I get to talk to my doc >for maybe 15 mins, and I can't waste time talking about things he doesn't >know. I never bring the subject up and if she asks about my weight loss, I >simply say " I'm trying to get my weight down - I think I'll be healthier >and it may extend my life " . I have a very astute doc and I don't think she >knows what extension is. I can tell you if I go in with 10 # lost in May it >will excite her to run some more tests. > >Treating patients is a diff field. To whom would you address the question: > " How do I live longer? " ? The scientists who incessantly discuss elegans, >eg? I've been reading the life-extension type groups for quite a few years, >and the books, and I don't see any science to hang my hat. Logon to >mdconsult.com and search for a source containing " life extension " . There >are 12 med texts, but they don't use the words as a noun. There is no >protocol for life extension as we use it. They are recently logging >alternative med books, but that's so they'll know what their patients are >doing. They probably make spiteful comments on the use of herbs, too. > >Regards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dowling > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR > > > Not sure anyone does really, for certain, know how to extend >life....but, I > think it is rather passive-aggressive and immature and needlessly >spiteful > of this physician to make such a statement contrary to their patient's > stated goals. Even if this physician did not think success probable or >very > likely, the least they could have done was to pledge their support for >such > a noble and admirable goal! > > > > >From: " jwwright " <jwwright@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Docs and CR > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:08:36 -0600 > > > >Docs are in business to treat patients ills and write prescriptions. I > >don't think they know how to extend life. > > > >Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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