Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Calcium info: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/health/az1296.html >From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Nutrient Deficiencies >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:32:19 -0000 > >Hi folks: > >Any suggestions welcome: > >I am now about to try to fix the 'leaks' in my nutrition by making >sure I will be getting at least 100% of the RDA for all of Fitday's >nutrient list, even if it turns out that 1500 calories is my ideal >CRON calorie intake. Two of the leaks I have already plugged by >entering the correct levels of B-12 and D in fish! I am in reality >comfortably over the RDAs for those nutrients despite the fact the >uncorrected data say I am quite deficient! > >So the remaining leaks to be plugged look like zinc and calcium. In >the case of zinc, it looks like I could add a lot more shiitake >mushrooms and wheat germ to my soup. I will have to work out how >much. I also take a zinc supplement once a week, but I don't know >how much of that gets absorbed. > >The calcium shortfall seems more thorny though. It surprises me >somewhat as my 'thick soup' contains an entire romaine lettuce and >some bok choy. I could increase them substantially. But if I raise >my consumption of them I will also raise my iron level which is >already double the RDA and not, I believe, a good item to overdose >on. Milk products are an alternative. But milk makes me tired, and >I have heard from a credible (medical) source that when the protein >in milk products gets broken down into amino acids these are more >likely to deplete bone mass than increase it. Does anyone have good >info on this topic? Perhaps a calcium supplement is the way to go >for this? I already take some once a week. Perhaps I should raise >it to daily? Does anyone know if the body absorbs calcium >supplements in tablet form? > >I am curious to know if other people have shortfalls similar to >mine. Or is everyone different? > >It also occurs to me that if these databases have errors, perhaps not >all of them are on the down side? Perhaps the nutrient content of >some foods are in error on the high side and we may have deficiencies >that do not show up in the nutrition analyses for that reason? > >Just a few thoughts. Input welcome. > >Rodney. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Hi : Thanks. VERY interesting link, worth reading. Negative implications for spinach, kale, tea, caffeine, soybeans, cocoa, whole grains (!) and bran ................. Hmmm. Rodney. > Calcium info: > > http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/health/az1296.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 I consume two 8 oz servings of home made kefir daily. I also blend in blueberries, black berries, and strawberries, with a touch of sucralose for sweetness. The kefir converts the lactose and fructose (sugars) into alcohol. You can also make the Kefir with low fat milk to scrape out a few calories. There are reports of other benefits from eating kefir, but I like it because it tastes sooo good. BTW the list of ingredients in typical store brand yogurt was just plain scary. I also eat lots of canned salmon which has quite a bit of bone mass still in. I pick out the spine but the rest of the bones just are so soft from cooking they just crumble in preparation. Don't lose too much sleep over-analyzing your nutrients (remember you can't spell analyze without " anal " :-). After a while you will get a feel for what you're getting. Of course you have to be more rigorous at first to learn what's in what, and periodically review. The body often stores and to some extent adapts usage to what's available. I am more concerned about significant deficiencies, than precisely hitting targets. If you think about it, they have to be gross generalizations to cover entire populations with differing BMIs and genetic makeup's. relax, be happy. JR -----Original Message----- From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: [ ] Nutrient Deficiencies Hi folks: Any suggestions welcome: I am now about to try to fix the 'leaks' in my nutrition by making sure I will be getting at least 100% of the RDA for all of Fitday's nutrient list, even if it turns out that 1500 calories is my ideal CRON calorie intake. Two of the leaks I have already plugged by entering the correct levels of B-12 and D in fish! I am in reality comfortably over the RDAs for those nutrients despite the fact the uncorrected data say I am quite deficient! So the remaining leaks to be plugged look like zinc and calcium. In the case of zinc, it looks like I could add a lot more shiitake mushrooms and wheat germ to my soup. I will have to work out how much. I also take a zinc supplement once a week, but I don't know how much of that gets absorbed. The calcium shortfall seems more thorny though. It surprises me somewhat as my 'thick soup' contains an entire romaine lettuce and some bok choy. I could increase them substantially. But if I raise my consumption of them I will also raise my iron level which is already double the RDA and not, I believe, a good item to overdose on. Milk products are an alternative. But milk makes me tired, and I have heard from a credible (medical) source that when the protein in milk products gets broken down into amino acids these are more likely to deplete bone mass than increase it. Does anyone have good info on this topic? Perhaps a calcium supplement is the way to go for this? I already take some once a week. Perhaps I should raise it to daily? Does anyone know if the body absorbs calcium supplements in tablet form? I am curious to know if other people have shortfalls similar to mine. Or is everyone different? It also occurs to me that if these databases have errors, perhaps not all of them are on the down side? Perhaps the nutrient content of some foods are in error on the high side and we may have deficiencies that do not show up in the nutrition analyses for that reason? Just a few thoughts. Input welcome. Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 According to the USDA foodcomp table, kale has one of the lowest oxalic contents of any food. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/oxalic.html Ordinary lettuce has 16.5 times as much oxalic acid as kale. Maybe the Arizona URL is wrong about kale (page bottom)??? -- Warren =================== On 25 Feb 2004, Rodney wrote: > Thanks. VERY interesting link, worth reading. > Negative implications for spinach, kale, tea, > caffeine, soybeans, cocoa, whole grains (!) > and bran ................. Hmmm. > > > Calcium info: > > http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/health/az1296.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Hi : Thanks. I am relaxed and happy already. I need something to worry about to get my blood pressure up to a safe range ; ^ ))) It is quite interesting to see what contains oxalic acid - and makes getting calcium out of the vegetables more difficult: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/oxalic.html http://snipurl.com/4qcp (Snipurl is neat! And helpful) Rodney. --- In , " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...> wrote: > I consume two 8 oz servings of home made kefir daily. I also blend in > blueberries, black berries, and strawberries, with a touch of sucralose for > sweetness. The kefir converts the lactose and fructose (sugars) into > alcohol. You can also make the Kefir with low fat milk to scrape out a few > calories. There are reports of other benefits from eating kefir, but I like > it because it tastes sooo good. BTW the list of ingredients in typical store > brand yogurt was just plain scary. > > I also eat lots of canned salmon which has quite a bit of bone mass still > in. I pick out the spine but the rest of the bones just are so soft from > cooking they just crumble in preparation. > > Don't lose too much sleep over-analyzing your nutrients (remember you can't > spell analyze without " anal " :-). After a while you will get a feel for what > you're getting. Of course you have to be more rigorous at first to learn > what's in what, and periodically review. > > The body often stores and to some extent adapts usage to what's available. I > am more concerned about significant deficiencies, than precisely hitting > targets. If you think about it, they have to be gross generalizations to > cover entire populations with differing BMIs and genetic makeup's. > > relax, be happy. > > JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:32 PM > > Subject: [ ] Nutrient Deficiencies > > > Hi folks: > > Any suggestions welcome: > > I am now about to try to fix the 'leaks' in my nutrition by making > sure I will be getting at least 100% of the RDA for all of Fitday's > nutrient list, even if it turns out that 1500 calories is my ideal > CRON calorie intake. Two of the leaks I have already plugged by > entering the correct levels of B-12 and D in fish! I am in reality > comfortably over the RDAs for those nutrients despite the fact the > uncorrected data say I am quite deficient! > > So the remaining leaks to be plugged look like zinc and calcium. In > the case of zinc, it looks like I could add a lot more shiitake > mushrooms and wheat germ to my soup. I will have to work out how > much. I also take a zinc supplement once a week, but I don't know > how much of that gets absorbed. > > The calcium shortfall seems more thorny though. It surprises me > somewhat as my 'thick soup' contains an entire romaine lettuce and > some bok choy. I could increase them substantially. But if I raise > my consumption of them I will also raise my iron level which is > already double the RDA and not, I believe, a good item to overdose > on. Milk products are an alternative. But milk makes me tired, and > I have heard from a credible (medical) source that when the protein > in milk products gets broken down into amino acids these are more > likely to deplete bone mass than increase it. Does anyone have good > info on this topic? Perhaps a calcium supplement is the way to go > for this? I already take some once a week. Perhaps I should raise > it to daily? Does anyone know if the body absorbs calcium > supplements in tablet form? > > I am curious to know if other people have shortfalls similar to > mine. Or is everyone different? > > It also occurs to me that if these databases have errors, perhaps not > all of them are on the down side? Perhaps the nutrient content of > some foods are in error on the high side and we may have deficiencies > that do not show up in the nutrition analyses for that reason? > > Just a few thoughts. Input welcome. > > Rodney. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 I second your suggestion about over-analyzing, analness, and relaxing which is probably more beneficial to long life. (When you read the biographies of long-lived people, they often had a relaxed and happy attitude in life). Why do you pick out the spine in canned salmon? I've never found the need to eliminate any of the soft bones. on 2/25/2004 9:20 PM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote: > I also eat lots of canned salmon which has quite a bit of bone mass still > in. I pick out the spine but the rest of the bones just are so soft from > cooking they just crumble in preparation. > > Don't lose too much sleep over-analyzing your nutrients (remember you can't > spell analyze without " anal " :-). After a while you will get a feel for what > you're getting. Of course you have to be more rigorous at first to learn > what's in what, and periodically review. > > The body often stores and to some extent adapts usage to what's available. I > am more concerned about significant deficiencies, than precisely hitting > targets. If you think about it, they have to be gross generalizations to > cover entire populations with differing BMIs and genetic makeup's. > > relax, be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 No good reason, in fact the spine probably has good nutrient value, but I found the heavier round bones did not break up and were unpleasant surprises (to me) in some prepared dishes. JR -----Original Message----- From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Nutrient Deficiencies I second your suggestion about over-analyzing, analness, and relaxing which is probably more beneficial to long life. (When you read the biographies of long-lived people, they often had a relaxed and happy attitude in life). Why do you pick out the spine in canned salmon? I've never found the need to eliminate any of the soft bones. on 2/25/2004 9:20 PM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote: > I also eat lots of canned salmon which has quite a bit of bone mass still > in. I pick out the spine but the rest of the bones just are so soft from > cooking they just crumble in preparation. > > Don't lose too much sleep over-analyzing your nutrients (remember you can't > spell analyze without " anal " :-). After a while you will get a feel for what > you're getting. Of course you have to be more rigorous at first to learn > what's in what, and periodically review. > > The body often stores and to some extent adapts usage to what's available. I > am more concerned about significant deficiencies, than precisely hitting > targets. If you think about it, they have to be gross generalizations to > cover entire populations with differing BMIs and genetic makeup's. > > relax, be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 from the nids list: this is what I had them test for: -GA The Most Important Test: a.. CBC b.. Sedimentation Rate c.. CMV IGG / IGM (if IGG Positive) d.. ANA Titer e.. EBV IGG / IGM (if IGG Positive) f.. Hypothyroid Panel g.. Ferritin Level Immune Panel (to include) a.. Total & Percent CD4 b.. Total & Percent CD8 c.. Total & Percent CD16 / CD56 d.. Total & Percent CD19 e.. Lead Level f.. Vitamin B-12 Level g.. Folic Acid h.. Comprehensive Metabolic Panel i.. SGOT / SGPT j.. Lipid Panel k.. Candida Titer (IGG, IGA, IGM (Immunodiagnostic Labs (800-888-1113) l.. HHV6 Titer (Immunodistic Labs) m.. Quantatative Immunoglobulins (IGG, IGA, IGM, IGE) n.. Gliadin Antibodies o.. Alpha Interferon p.. Allergy Food Screen (95 foods) (Meridian Valley Lab (253-859-8700) Optional / Userful a.. Thyroid Antibodies b.. Herpes I & II IGG / IGM c.. Rubella IGG Titer d.. sakie Virus A & B > Our pediatrician wants me to get a list of specific nutrients to look > for before conducting a test. Do I need a list or is there one > extenisive test that will show what my son is lacking??? > THANKS! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 > Our pediatrician wants me to get a list of specific nutrients to look > for before conducting a test. Do I need a list or is there one > extenisive test that will show what my son is lacking??? This lab has a good online list http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/ Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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