RE: No food in the house? Most unwise...

[Guest guest]

Although I live in a prime terrorist target area (Washington, DC) I haven't

got an emergency stash. But we always have a full larder of healthy food at

the Skelton household. We'd probably have to run for the hills anyway!!

OTOH, such snacks as Rebars and the other " on the run " foods mentioned in

our file on this topic would probably be a good " emergency " kit as well as

what the file was originally intended for.

on 3/14/2004 1:08 PM, Brad Bolz at bradbolz@... wrote:

> I would love to see what CRONies put in their emergency stashes...

> How much & what type of food, how much water do you have set aside?

[Guest guest]

Do you store your safe food supply in an old (unused) fallout shelter?

In theory if there were a serious food shortage CRONies might be more at

risk due to reduced personal fat stores but before we suffer a significant

breakdown in our food supply we'd have other very serious problems. I had a

friend who accumulated 22 cal bullets because he figured after the fall of

civilization money wouldn't be of any use, but ammo could be used for

hunting and protection... My friend makes you sound perfectly calm.

It's sensible to have a stash of potable drinking water and perhaps a few

days worth of food. Since you don't mention where you're posting from I

won't proffer an opinion about the odds of a significant terrorist

disruption of your food supply.

You should certainly act upon your personal concerns if it helps you sleep

better but I am more inclined to wear seat belts and wash my hands to

prevent more likely intrusions upon my personal serenity.

JR

PS: Fear is the primary weapon of terrorists. I don't wish to trivialize the

situation, we are indeed at war. While there is still much work to do, I

believe we are making progress. We do live in interesting times. My

apologies for straying off topic.

-----Original Message-----

From: Brad Bolz [mailto:bradbolz@...]

Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:09 PM

Subject: [ ] No food in the house? Most unwise...

Someone recently posted about their girlfriends having very little

to no food in the house, and that this was common to friends unintentionally

or intentionally doing a CRON lifestyle. I suppose this could be considered

off topic, but I don't think it is actually. If wearing seat belts, looking

both ways before crossing the street, etc., are considered ways to lengthen

lifespan, then surely, keeping food in the house is good for us also.

In these days of unexpected, worldwide terrorist attacks.....put

some food in your home! Do it now! If you require food to be out of the

house in order to not eat it....then you are not committed to a CRON

lifestyle.

I would love to see what CRONies put in their emergency stashes...

How much & what type of food, how much water do you have set aside?

I'm terribly cheap, so my emergency stash is made up of the largest

variety of least expensive long term storage foods available. The food is

vacuum packed in individually labeled packets of approximently 400 to 2000

calories each. Once a year, the food is rotated and the oldest given away

to charity.

If you have a bug out bag, you won't be able to put a lot of food in

it, but you can include a quality daily multi-vitamin and some dried foods.

Someone that manages to not become nutrient deficient during a forced

evacuation, may well not have their longevity negatively affected if they

manage a daily vitamin or two...

Living a long time requires more than just monitoring the food we

ingest today. We must also plan for the food we eat tomorrow, next week,

next month and next year. Just thought I'd give you your survivalist

thought of the day! :-)Hopefully none of us have built underground caverns

made out of old school buses like some guy in Canada did for Y2K, but aren't

CRONies the real, true life, ultimate survivalist?

Take care,

Brad

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I'd go along with the below, but in all seriousness, you're more likely to

have a problem by not washing your hands than anything else -- put aside

anti-bacterial hand gel! For putting aside food & water, do it for

earthquake & natural disaster preparedness -- it's *far* more likely than

terrorism, & who knows when you might need a canned turkey for guests... As

for terrorism, pick any month at random, & more Americans die of traffic

fatalities than have in terrorist attacks, in total. Every two months, more

shoot each other, and let's not get into other premature deaths from

smoking, alcohol, obesity, STDs, and even the common cold.

I'll drop the issue now, but since mortality is the underground topic of

this list, it's worth mentioning every now & again that thoughts of death

have well-established effects on our reasoning, and they're generally not

conducive to rational thought.

Best,

> -----Original Message-----

> From: john roberts [mailto:johnhrob@...]

> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:00 PM

>

> Subject: RE: [ ] No food in the house? Most unwise...

>

>

> Do you store your safe food supply in an old (unused) fallout shelter?

>

> In theory if there were a serious food shortage CRONies might be more at

> risk due to reduced personal fat stores but before we suffer a significant

> breakdown in our food supply we'd have other very serious

> problems. I had a

> friend who accumulated 22 cal bullets because he figured after the fall of

> civilization money wouldn't be of any use, but ammo could be used for

> hunting and protection... My friend makes you sound perfectly calm.

>

> It's sensible to have a stash of potable drinking water and perhaps a few

> days worth of food. Since you don't mention where you're posting from I

> won't proffer an opinion about the odds of a significant terrorist

> disruption of your food supply.

>

> You should certainly act upon your personal concerns if it helps you sleep

> better but I am more inclined to wear seat belts and wash my hands to

> prevent more likely intrusions upon my personal serenity.

>

>

> JR

>

> PS: Fear is the primary weapon of terrorists. I don't wish to

> trivialize the

> situation, we are indeed at war. While there is still much work to do, I

> believe we are making progress. We do live in interesting times. My

> apologies for straying off topic.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Brad Bolz [mailto:bradbolz@...]

> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:09 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] No food in the house? Most unwise...

>

>

> Someone recently posted about their girlfriends having very little

> to no food in the house, and that this was common to friends

> unintentionally

> or intentionally doing a CRON lifestyle. I suppose this could be

> considered

> off topic, but I don't think it is actually. If wearing seat

> belts, looking

> both ways before crossing the street, etc., are considered ways

> to lengthen

> lifespan, then surely, keeping food in the house is good for us also.

>

> In these days of unexpected, worldwide terrorist attacks.....put

> some food in your home! Do it now! If you require food to be out of the

> house in order to not eat it....then you are not committed to a CRON

> lifestyle.

>

> I would love to see what CRONies put in their emergency stashes...

> How much & what type of food, how much water do you have set aside?

>

> I'm terribly cheap, so my emergency stash is made up of the largest

> variety of least expensive long term storage foods available. The food is

> vacuum packed in individually labeled packets of approximently 400 to 2000

> calories each. Once a year, the food is rotated and the oldest given away

> to charity.

>

> If you have a bug out bag, you won't be able to put a lot of food in

> it, but you can include a quality daily multi-vitamin and some

> dried foods.

> Someone that manages to not become nutrient deficient during a forced

> evacuation, may well not have their longevity negatively affected if they

> manage a daily vitamin or two...

>

> Living a long time requires more than just monitoring the food we

> ingest today. We must also plan for the food we eat tomorrow, next week,

> next month and next year. Just thought I'd give you your survivalist

> thought of the day! :-)Hopefully none of us have built

> underground caverns

> made out of old school buses like some guy in Canada did for Y2K,

> but aren't

> CRONies the real, true life, ultimate survivalist?

>

> Take care,

> Brad

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Yes, you are right of course about all the various other ways we can

individually get wiped out. You could add AIDS to the list - it is

likely to eliminate more than half the world's population before it

runs its course. But my ancestors, and yours, survived the events

that killed off the dinosaurs and doubtless very nearly 100% of our

ancestors' then relatives.

Even as (relatively) recently as 70,000 years ago Toba, a volcano in

Indonesia, is estimated to have wiped out ~99% of the then current

human population worldwide - population dropped from ~100,000 to

<1000. That was a very close call also. And there are stories that

the lava dome of a GIGANTIC similar volcano (the crater is about 50

miles in diameter) in Yellowstone is beginning to bulge -

**thousands** of times larger than Mount St. Helens last time it

blew, I believe.

Some think it worth taking a few precautions for infrequent

occurrances like these, and educating their children and grand

children about it. Others don't. All a matter of personal

opinion/taste/motivation or whatever.

Rodney.

--- In , " Gifford " <gifford@u...>

wrote:

> Hello all,

>

> I'd go along with the below, but in all seriousness, you're more

likely to

> have a problem by not washing your hands than anything else -- put

aside

> anti-bacterial hand gel! For putting aside food & water, do it for

> earthquake & natural disaster preparedness -- it's *far* more

likely than

> terrorism, & who knows when you might need a canned turkey for

guests... As

> for terrorism, pick any month at random, & more Americans die of

traffic

> fatalities than have in terrorist attacks, in total. Every two

months, more

> shoot each other, and let's not get into other premature deaths from

> smoking, alcohol, obesity, STDs, and even the common cold.

>

> I'll drop the issue now, but since mortality is the underground

topic of

> this list, it's worth mentioning every now & again that thoughts of

death

> have well-established effects on our reasoning, and they're

generally not

> conducive to rational thought.

>

> Best,

>

[Guest guest]

Rodney: this reminds me of a college biology professor I had w-a-a-a-y back

when who lectured to us: " there will always be natural disasters and new

diseases to come along to keep the population in check....... " He was

right!! I've lived to see AIDS, SARS, Legionnaires disease, this new Avian

Flu, etc. etc. I used to be worried about overpopulation, but we humans

always have our wars and now of course terrorism + the natural disasters to

keep ourselves from overcrowding. Personally I prefer the alternative (good

old fashioned birth control :-)))

on 3/14/2004 3:08 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi :

>

> Yes, you are right of course about all the various other ways we can

> individually get wiped out. You could add AIDS to the list - it is

> likely to eliminate more than half the world's population before it

> runs its course. But my ancestors, and yours, survived the events

> that killed off the dinosaurs and doubtless very nearly 100% of our

> ancestors' then relatives.

>

> Even as (relatively) recently as 70,000 years ago Toba, a volcano in

> Indonesia, is estimated to have wiped out ~99% of the then current

> human population worldwide - population dropped from ~100,000 to

> <1000. That was a very close call also. And there are stories that

> the lava dome of a GIGANTIC similar volcano (the crater is about 50

> miles in diameter) in Yellowstone is beginning to bulge -

> **thousands** of times larger than Mount St. Helens last time it

> blew, I believe.