Re: low carb critique/GI index discussion

[Guest guest]

As you say, we should not be a " one size fits all " group. Most of us

will have diet variances, preferences, and medical needs. Do you

believe that the writer's definition of " low carb craze " is consistent

with CR members that prefer to moderate carbs? I haven't read any

preferences for " foods brimming with calories, saturated fats " or that

they would " eliminate the fruits & vegetables " . Maybe it's MY viewpoint

that's limited, but everywhere I look I see goals to use the most

nutritious carbs from vegetables and fruit, with emphasis on nuts &

omega 3's rather than saturated fat. Based on those I've read from,

the basis of information used by this writer is outdated.

Francesca Skelton wrote:

quoting unnamed writer

>My answer is simply: " Are you kidding? " How can I endorse any plan that

encourages eating foods brimming with calories and saturated fat, but not the

grains, fruits or vegetables which are packed with vitamins, minerals

>and fiber. Decades of research show that such foods protect against many

cancers, heart disease and other illnesses.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Apricot. I'm personally thinking of the current Atkins craze

sweeping the USA, which btw from what I've read isn't even slimming down the

nation.

on 3/7/2004 5:50 PM, apricot85 at apricot85@... wrote:

> Do you

> believe that the writer's definition of " low carb craze " is consistent

> with CR members that prefer to moderate carbs?

[Guest guest]

OK, I'm out of touch with that. I get so focused on my own agenda &

goals that I don't see the world at " large " .

Francesca Skelton wrote:

>Thanks Apricot. I'm personally thinking of the current Atkins craze sweeping

the USA, which btw from what I've read isn't even slimming down the nation.

>

>

>on 3/7/2004 5:50 PM, apricot85 at apricot85@... wrote:

>

>>Do you believe that the writer's definition of " low carb craze " is consistent

with CR members that prefer to moderate carbs?

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I saw Dr Atkins on TV and he made an interesting comment, he said that he

ate far more fruits and vegetables than the average person. This may not

be saying a whole lot but the Atkins diet directs you toward veggies, but

particular veggies. And in general toward the "best" ones.

I eat far more fruits and veggies doing atkins than I ever did eating "normal."

Positive Dennis

apricot85 wrote:

As

you say, we should not be a "one size fits all" group. Most of us

will have diet variances, preferences, and medical needs. Do you

believe that the writer's definition of "low carb craze" is consistent

with CR members that prefer to moderate carbs? I haven't read any

preferences for "foods brimming with calories, saturated fats" or that

they would "eliminate the fruits & vegetables". Maybe it's MY viewpoint

that's limited, but everywhere I look I see goals to use the most

nutritious carbs from vegetables and fruit, with emphasis on nuts &

omega 3's rather than saturated fat. Based on those I've read from,

the basis of information used by this writer is outdated.

Francesca Skelton wrote:

quoting unnamed writer

>My answer is simply: "Are you kidding?" How can I endorse any plan

that encourages eating foods brimming with calories and saturated fat, but

not the grains, fruits or vegetables which are packed with vitamins, minerals

>and fiber. Decades of research show that such foods protect against

many cancers, heart disease and other illnesses.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guess it all depends upon what one's " normal " diet is.

Mine has been, for all of my adult life, almost exclusively fruit and

vegetables. The low carb slant I've adopted more recently (1.5 years,

approx.) has me eating quite a bit less fruit, although the amount of

veggies may have increased a bit.

>From: Dennis De Jarnette <positivedennis@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] low carb critique/GI index discussion

>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 12:28:11 -0600

>

>I saw Dr Atkins on TV and he made an interesting comment, he said that he

>ate far more fruits and vegetables than the average person. This may not be

>saying a whole lot but the Atkins diet directs you toward veggies, but

>particular veggies. And in general toward the " best " ones.

>

>I eat far more fruits and veggies doing atkins than I ever did eating

> " normal. "

>

>Positive Dennis

>

>apricot85 wrote:

>

>>As you say, we should not be a " one size fits all " group. Most of us

>>will have diet variances, preferences, and medical needs. Do you

>>believe that the writer's definition of " low carb craze " is consistent

>>with CR members that prefer to moderate carbs? I haven't read any

>>preferences for " foods brimming with calories, saturated fats " or that

>>they would " eliminate the fruits & vegetables " . Maybe it's MY viewpoint

>>that's limited, but everywhere I look I see goals to use the most

>>nutritious carbs from vegetables and fruit, with emphasis on nuts &

>>omega 3's rather than saturated fat. Based on those I've read from, the

>>basis of information used by this writer is outdated.

>>

>>Francesca Skelton wrote:

>>quoting unnamed writer

>>

>> >My answer is simply: " Are you kidding? " How can I endorse any plan that

>>encourages eating foods brimming with calories and saturated fat, but not

>>the grains, fruits or vegetables which are packed with vitamins, minerals

>> >and fiber. Decades of research show that such foods protect against many

>>cancers, heart disease and other illnesses.

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>>

>>

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

> Guess it all depends upon what one's " normal " diet is.

>

> Mine has been, for all of my adult life, almost exclusively fruit

and

> vegetables. The low carb slant I've adopted more recently (1.5

years,

> approx.) has me eating quite a bit less fruit, although the amount

of

> veggies may have increased a bit.

Hi All,

See:

Puhl RM, Schwartz MB.

If you are good you can have a cookie: How memories of childhood

food rules link to adult eating behaviors.

Eat Behav. 2003 Sep;4(3):283-93.

PMID: 15000971 [PubMed - in process]

" Results: Binge eating and dietary restraint in adulthood are

significantly related to participants' recollection of their parents

using food to control their behavior in childhood. These results held

true regardless of body mass index (BMI), ethnicity, age, or

childhood weight status.

Discussion: This study suggests that some childhood food rules may

have a long-lasting impact on eating behaviors. "

My parents insisted that I eat as much of the boiled potatoes

drenched with beef fat, extremely overcooked meat and minimum of

vegetables boiled beyond recognition in taste. Standard " desert " was

white rice over-boiled in whole milk, sometimes with white sugar.

I now find food constraint extremely easy and seek the most

nutritious foods. I suffer anorexia nervosa. Ad lib, I ate an SAD.

I initiated weight loss involuntarily with Pritikin.

I eat more fruits and previously only had an apple once in a while

and oranges rarely. Bananas were occasionally available when on sale

for overripe bananas.

Cheers, Al Pater.