Re: Question for Duncan: Neugenesis

[Guest guest]

Alobar, Consumerlab has reviewed several HGH soundalikes that do not

increase HGH so they could not have done any actual analysis of HGH

release in humans in response to the dosing for their article. Their

credibility went out the window as soon as they included categorical

non-producers in a product review.

One for example is a homeopathic, while another contains real growth

hormone, which is absolutely known to not work orally. I've treated

this subject on my page titled Straight Goods on HGH:

http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/Straight_goods_on_HGH.html

or http://tinyurl.com/68sskj

In around 1998-2000 Dr. Meyers was on the team that bothered to DO

the analysis Consumerlab did not. Of 100 HGH-soundalikes he found

that NONE produced the 30 ng/ml of HGH increase needed to spur

regeneration; the non-producers included homeopathics and oral HGH.

BUT some honest HGH products contain arginine and other amino acids

that have been shown to work; companies using these avoid infringing

SomaLife's patent by adding something other than amino acids, such as

tribulus terrestris which is a terstosterone increaser, as Neugenisis

does, or b-vitamins as Tower does. Again, amino acid purity is

important and again, most companies do not provide it.

To answer your direct question on Neugenesis, I only had to look at

the label.

http://www.neugenisis.com/prod122.aspx#

The amino acids that increase HGH release appear as arginine, 500mg;

lysine 250 mg; glutamine 500 mg; ornithine 100 mg; glycine 50 mg.

Total 1400 mg.

SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

http://www.somalife-ghp.com/science.html

As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP are

arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250 mg;

glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

How well does it compare? SomaLife gHP delivers 3 times the amount of

HGH releasers ...yet SomaLife has used the purest amino acids at the

lowest dose that will deliver effectiveness.

The devil is in the details. 'Nuff said!

Duncan

>

> A while ago, my friend Ambros sent me an e-mail. He was looking in

> to various HGH stimulators on the market.

>

> > I don't want you to start looking into it... just want your

opinion on

> > human growth hormone. Please glance at

> > this webpage and tell me whether you think their evaluations are

> > creditable. Perhaps tell me whether you have experimented with

HGH

> > or whether you know of a brand that you'd recommend.

> > http://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/ghr1000x.htm?Source=google/hgh

>

> I suggested he look into Somalife and gave links which Duncan has

> posted on this list. Ambros wrote me back

>

> > I checked out Somalife. Out-of-sight expensive. A 6-month supply

> > would cost $$$ 1,020.00, wholly out of my reach and range. I am

> > going for Neugenesis, the top-rated product on the list I sent

you the

> > URL for. A 6-month supply of it comes to 190.00. Losing 190.00

would

> > not wipe me out. $ 1,020 I simply cannot afford, lose or not

lose.

>

> > With most products, Somalife included, the price of a one-month

supply

> > is comparable or at least not

> > miles apart. But all of them, except Somalife, offer big cheaper-

by-

> > the-dozen discounts if you buy more. Like a one-month supply of

> > Neugenesis is 50.00; a 6-month supply is 190.0. With Somalife

> > <http://www.healthsuperstore.com/p-somalife-ghp-anti-aging-

formula.htm>

>

> > a one-month supply is 85.00. That's not worlds apart. But a 6-

month

> > supply is 1000.00 plus.

>

> I know nothing about HGH enhancement other than what I have learned

> from this list. Duncan, do you have any opinions on Neugenesis,

which

> Ambros can afford?

> http://www.nutraweb.com/prod122.aspx

>

> Alobar

>

[Guest guest]

Been reading the emails and I must say Duncan you seem know your

stuff! I'm till not convinced I need it, but I am still reading,

listening and researching, esp. enjoying all your input and will check

out the sites. I'm impressed!

> >

> > A while ago, my friend Ambros sent me an e-mail. He was looking in

> > to various HGH stimulators on the market.

> >

> > > I don't want you to start looking into it... just want your

> opinion on

> > > human growth hormone. Please glance at

> > > this webpage and tell me whether you think their evaluations are

> > > creditable. Perhaps tell me whether you have experimented with

> HGH

> > > or whether you know of a brand that you'd recommend.

> > > http://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/ghr1000x.htm?Source=google/hgh

> >

> > I suggested he look into Somalife and gave links which Duncan has

> > posted on this list. Ambros wrote me back

> >

> > > I checked out Somalife. Out-of-sight expensive. A 6-month supply

> > > would cost $$$ 1,020.00, wholly out of my reach and range. I am

> > > going for Neugenesis, the top-rated product on the list I sent

> you the

> > > URL for. A 6-month supply of it comes to 190.00. Losing 190.00

> would

> > > not wipe me out. $ 1,020 I simply cannot afford, lose or not

> lose.

> >

> > > With most products, Somalife included, the price of a one-month

> supply

> > > is comparable or at least not

> > > miles apart. But all of them, except Somalife, offer big cheaper-

> by-

> > > the-dozen discounts if you buy more. Like a one-month supply of

> > > Neugenesis is 50.00; a 6-month supply is 190.0. With Somalife

> > > <http://www.healthsuperstore.com/p-somalife-ghp-anti-aging-

> formula.htm>

> >

> > > a one-month supply is 85.00. That's not worlds apart. But a 6-

> month

> > > supply is 1000.00 plus.

> >

> > I know nothing about HGH enhancement other than what I have learned

> > from this list. Duncan, do you have any opinions on Neugenesis,

> which

> > Ambros can afford?

> > http://www.nutraweb.com/prod122.aspx

> >

> > Alobar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan,

I'll pass that on to Ambros. It looks like only those with

sufficient amounts of discretionary cash will be able to boost their

HGH levels when they are old

My hope is that enough well-to-do old folks will want their HGH

levels increased that price may come down significantly because there

will be a greater demand for the pure aminos and their cost will

decrease because of decreased manufacturing costs.

If I live long enough for the cost to significantly drop, I'll

certainly want to hop on the Somalife bandwagon.

Alobar

On 10/24/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Alobar, Consumerlab has reviewed several HGH soundalikes that do not

> increase HGH so they could not have done any actual analysis of HGH

> release in humans in response to the dosing for their article. Their

> credibility went out the window as soon as they included categorical

> non-producers in a product review.

>

> One for example is a homeopathic, while another contains real growth

> hormone, which is absolutely known to not work orally. I've treated

> this subject on my page titled Straight Goods on HGH:

> http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/Straight_goods_on_HGH.html

>

> or http://tinyurl.com/68sskj

>

>

> In around 1998-2000 Dr. Meyers was on the team that bothered to DO

> the analysis Consumerlab did not. Of 100 HGH-soundalikes he found

> that NONE produced the 30 ng/ml of HGH increase needed to spur

> regeneration; the non-producers included homeopathics and oral HGH.

>

> BUT some honest HGH products contain arginine and other amino acids

> that have been shown to work; companies using these avoid infringing

> SomaLife's patent by adding something other than amino acids, such as

> tribulus terrestris which is a terstosterone increaser, as Neugenisis

> does, or b-vitamins as Tower does. Again, amino acid purity is

> important and again, most companies do not provide it.

>

> To answer your direct question on Neugenesis, I only had to look at

> the label.

> http://www.neugenisis.com/prod122.aspx#

>

> The amino acids that increase HGH release appear as arginine, 500mg;

> lysine 250 mg; glutamine 500 mg; ornithine 100 mg; glycine 50 mg.

> Total 1400 mg.

>

> SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

> http://www.somalife-ghp.com/science.html

>

>

> As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP are

> arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250 mg;

> glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

>

> How well does it compare? SomaLife gHP delivers 3 times the amount of

> HGH releasers ...yet SomaLife has used the purest amino acids at the

> lowest dose that will deliver effectiveness.

>

> The devil is in the details. 'Nuff said!

>

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,  Alobar's friend said it costs over $1,000 for a 6-months' supply of

SomaLife.  Is this correct?  Wouldn't it be $85 x 6 = $510?  What is the

shipping cost per bottle?  Any taxes? 

 

SteveD

> Alobar, Consumerlab has reviewed several HGH soundalikes that do not

> increase HGH so they could not have done any actual analysis of HGH

> release in humans in response to the dosing for their article. Their

> credibility went out the window as soon as they included categorical

> non-producers in a product review.

>

> One for example is a homeopathic, while another contains real growth

> hormone, which is absolutely known to not work orally. I've treated

> this subject on my page titled Straight Goods on HGH:

> http://members. shaw.ca/SomaLife -gHP/Straight_ goods_on_ HGH.html

>

> or http://tinyurl. com/68sskj

>

>

> In around 1998-2000 Dr. Meyers was on the team that bothered to DO

> the analysis Consumerlab did not. Of 100 HGH-soundalikes he found

> that NONE produced the 30 ng/ml of HGH increase needed to spur

> regeneration; the non-producers included homeopathics and oral HGH.

>

> BUT some honest HGH products contain arginine and other amino acids

> that have been shown to work; companies using these avoid infringing

> SomaLife's patent by adding something other than amino acids, such as

> tribulus terrestris which is a terstosterone increaser, as Neugenisis

> does, or b-vitamins as Tower does. Again, amino acid purity is

> important and again, most companies do not provide it.

>

> To answer your direct question on Neugenesis, I only had to look at

> the label.

> http://www.neugenis is.com/prod122. aspx#

>

> The amino acids that increase HGH release appear as arginine, 500mg;

> lysine 250 mg; glutamine 500 mg; ornithine 100 mg; glycine 50 mg.

> Total 1400 mg.

>

> SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

> http://www.somalife -ghp.com/ science.html

>

>

> As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP are

> arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250 mg;

> glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

>

> How well does it compare? SomaLife gHP delivers 3 times the amount of

> HGH releasers ...yet SomaLife has used the purest amino acids at the

> lowest dose that will deliver effectiveness.

>

> The devil is in the details. 'Nuff said!

>

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Metanoiagal, indeed I know this work. In reference to your comment

about " needing " to maintain HGH growth hormone, the pronounced

quality of life increase people get out of the therapy in advancing

years has been ratified by research, but I think the best anti-aging

is possible if one starts in their 30's because their HGH release is

already about 20% less that what they released at 22.

At 35-40 one releases about twice the HGH than they do at 75. Put

another way, by the time they hit 75 they have accumulated as much as

about 70% more unnecessary damage if untreated from age 35 than

treated. The aging plateau created by maintaining a 22-year-old's HGH

release from age 35-40 means being able to repair enough to keep

abreast of that damage, which an untreated person is not able to do.

That's with a good diet; with a poor diet, well put it this way,

every carbohydrate-rich meal, starch or sugar snack or soda that

increases insulin levels, reduces HGH output and immune system

activity, yet some people do it several times a day (which eventually

puts them into metabolic syndrome).

Duncan

> >

> > Alobar, Consumerlab has reviewed several HGH soundalikes that do

not

> > increase HGH so they could not have done any actual analysis of

HGH

> > release in humans in response to the dosing for their article.

Their

> > credibility went out the window as soon as they included

categorical

> > non-producers in a product review.

> >

> > One for example is a homeopathic, while another contains real

growth

> > hormone, which is absolutely known to not work orally. I've

treated

> > this subject on my page titled Straight Goods on HGH:

> > http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/Straight_goods_on_HGH.html

> > or http://tinyurl.com/68sskj

> >

> > In around 1998-2000 Dr. Meyers was on the team that bothered to

DO

> > the analysis Consumerlab did not. Of 100 HGH-soundalikes he found

> > that NONE produced the 30 ng/ml of HGH increase needed to spur

> > regeneration; the non-producers included homeopathics and oral

HGH.

> >

> > BUT some honest HGH products contain arginine and other amino

acids

> > that have been shown to work; companies using these avoid

infringing

> > SomaLife's patent by adding something other than amino acids,

such as

> > tribulus terrestris which is a terstosterone increaser, as

Neugenisis

> > does, or b-vitamins as Tower does. Again, amino acid purity is

> > important and again, most companies do not provide it.

> >

> > To answer your direct question on Neugenesis, I only had to look

at

> > the label.

> > http://www.neugenisis.com/prod122.aspx#

> > The amino acids that increase HGH release appear as arginine,

500mg;

> > lysine 250 mg; glutamine 500 mg; ornithine 100 mg; glycine 50 mg.

> > Total 1400 mg.

> >

> > SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

> > http://www.somalife-ghp.com/science.html

> >

> > As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP

are

> > arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250

mg;

> > glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

> >

> > How well does it compare? SomaLife gHP delivers 3 times the

amount of

> > HGH releasers ...yet SomaLife has used the purest amino acids at

the

> > lowest dose that will deliver effectiveness.

> >

> > The devil is in the details. 'Nuff said!

> >

> >

> > Duncan

[Guest guest]

SteveD, 6 months of Somalife gHP costs $510. The friend might be

considering buying it at retail but I wouldn't, and I know that very

few people go that route. You may have to pay a state tax in the US.

Duncan

-- In Coconut Oil , Steve D <esdel1955@...>

wrote:

>

> Duncan,  Alobar's friend said it costs over $1,000 for a 6-months'

supply of SomaLife.  Is this correct?  Wouldn't it be $85 x 6 = $510? 

What is the shipping cost per bottle?  Any taxes? 

>  

> SteveD

[Guest guest]

Would being in Canada add to the cost? I'll tell Ambros about

possibility of being a distributor. Probably still too much for him,

but that's for him to decide.

Alobar

On 10/24/08, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> SteveD, 6 months of Somalife gHP costs $510. The friend might be

> considering buying it at retail but I wouldn't, and I know that very

> few people go that route. You may have to pay a state tax in the US.

>

> Duncan

>

> -- In Coconut Oil , Steve D <esdel1955@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Duncan, Alobar's friend said it costs over $1,000 for a 6-months'

> supply of SomaLife. Is this correct? Wouldn't it be $85 x 6 = $510?

> What is the shipping cost per bottle? Any taxes?

> >

> > SteveD

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alobar, the cost is the same in Canada now. The wholesaler buyer

price is the same as the distributor price and you don't buy a

distributor kit or have your own " downline " to help support your own

use.

Duncan

> >

> > >

> > > Duncan, Alobar's friend said it costs over $1,000 for a 6-

months'

> > supply of SomaLife. Is this correct? Wouldn't it be $85 x 6 =

$510?

> > What is the shipping cost per bottle? Any taxes?

> > >

> > > SteveD

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

To compare, I have a bottle of hydrolyzed collagen protein made by

Twinlab. The label says " contains predigested whey protein, a source

of high quality amino acids with B-complex vitamins. " In addition to

a host of other amino acids here is the content of those aminos that

can be compared to your SomaLife for one serving (2TBS): L-arginin

1390 mg; L-lysine 770 mg; L-glutamic acid 1950 mg, glycine 4055 mg.

Cost was $10.29 for 16oz. The one thing it apparently doesn't have,

however, or ornithine. For those interested there's a good

description of ornithine and what it does here:

http://www.vitaminstuff.com/amino-acid-ornithine.html

Dee

>

> >

>

> .

> > >snip<

> > > SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

> > > http://www.somalife-ghp.com/science.html

> > >

> > > As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP

> are

> > > arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250

> mg;

> > > glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> SomaLife gHP ingredients are here:

> http://www.somalife-ghp.com/science.html

>

> As you will note the HGH-increasing ingredients in SomaLife gHP are

> arginine 1302 mg; lysine 1302 mg; ornithine 798 mg; glutamine 250 mg;

> glycine 500 mg. Total 4152 mg.

>

Duncan,

To compare, I have a bottle of hydrolyzed collagen protein made by

Twinlab. The label says " contains predigested whey protein, a source

of high quality amino acids with B-complex vitamins. " In addition to

a host of other amino acids here is the content of those aminos that

can be compared to your SomaLife for one serving (2TBS): L-arginin

1390 mg; L-lysine 770 mg; L-glutamic acid 1950 mg, glycine 4055 mg.

Total 8165 mg.

Cost was $10.29 for 16oz. The one thing it apparently doesn't have,

however, or ornithine. For those interested there's a good

description of ornithine and what it does here:

http://www.vitaminstuff.com/amino-acid-ornithine.html

Dee