Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Yes you are asking for the moon. In your first post ( /message/10101), you describe a person who it sounds like went through a phase of anorexia. Now below, you're asking about complex and intricate questions. There IS an in-between. How does one know what the extreme is? It's the same as the answer to " what is pornography? " I know it when I see it (or hear it described). It's not hard to figure out from your first post that you were in dangerous territory. You have many questions below. Instead of worrying about all these complexities, why don't you just go back to the files and/or Walford's website and follow the simple directions given in these places? If you're living in a place where the quality of food is questionable when prepared by others, they why are you eating out? The answers are simple if you just go back to basics. on 2/19/2004 9:16 AM, Tim Payne at slitherboy_uk@... wrote: > > --- Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote: >> Tim: we've all had sudden shifts of weight, during >> illnesses for example. >> No use worrying about what we can't change. > No, but the issues are still important ones that seem > to be grossly underplayed, and that fact that certain > things, when done, may have some very significant long > lasting effects that can't be changed is the point. > > What I'm trying to find out is: > > 1. What do we know about the rate of entry into CR and > the outcomes ? How much data is there ? > > 2. To the extent that we can be informed by animal > studies what does this suggest for humans and how > strongly ? > > So in 1.,2. specifically, I suppose I am asking: > Do we know the relationship between time over which > reduction to the permanent CR level occurred (in > rodents, say) and outcome ? Has anyone studied this ? > > [EG Is there is a minimum time that is like a switch > -you go below the threshold and you're into > detrimental effects or is there gradual diminishment?] > > What is the pattern ? - This is crucial. > > I see Dr Walford recommends 2 styles , one gradual, > one faster. In the latter, I think he says at least 6 > months. Where does this figure come from ? How can one > ensure one is adhering to the best guess as to the > human analogue of the animal cases so as to be > reasonably confident of getting it right ? > > > 3. What are likely to be the effects of intermittent > fasting ? And how does this vary with the duration or > pattern of fasting / non-fasting times ? What about > relationships with patterns of non-fasting / partial > fasting (ie calorie restriction) over various time > periods of each and relation to weight cycling ? > >> We advocate moderation for just the reasons you >> outlined in your post. Anything other than that can >> cause the opposite effect (bad health and shorter >> life). > You do not say in what sense you mean " moderation " . > Could you please expand on this ? > >> Just be sure to go easy from now on > What do you mean by " go easy " , exactly in this case ? > Could you elaborate ? > >> and perhaps you'll >> insure good health and long life from here on in. > I was kind of hoping that with one's life potentially > on the line and given the level of commitment > required, information might exist that would enable > one to be a bit more certain than than " perhaps " . > Maybe I'm asking for the moon on a stick. > > It is surely important for everyone to know about > various aspects of the entry to CR and the extent to > which benefit/detriment occurs. If this has a key role > in the outcome, all this debating about how to get the > best diet while on CR (etc) is in vain. > > >> You don't say how old you are. The younger the >> person, the more insults the body can take. If you >> are older, you must be more careful. > I am 33 yrs old, male and I live and work in Malaysia, > in / around KL (the capital) which is quite built up > and Westernised in some ways. > > I don't really have access to cooking facilities and > food is so cheap here (and costs so little more than > cooking yourself) that I do what ~ everyone else does > - you buy out. > > This doesn't give complete control of what you eat. > Sometimes I don't even know what things ARE. I have to > hope that this green leafy vegetable is good for you > and that that somewhat slimey liquid (I assume oil / > water) it is swimming in contains polyunsat'd > veg oil (with no trans fat) etc. > > I'm not exactly onto a winner here, am I ? Maybe I > would be better trying to eat a healthy non-CR diet, > and look to get a job somewhere where it may be > easier, more amenable (CR aware medics / available > tests) in a year or two. > > Maybe just try to eat more veggies, ~no carbs (rice, > noodles), but without restriction with more exercise. > >> Read our files and proceed from there especially: >> " CR Made Easy " . > Thanks for the advice. Sorry if I'm busting your nuts. > > Maybe as a newbie I'm going over well-worn territory > for you all. Anyhow, if anyone can point me in a good > direction any of the above issues I would be grateful. > > Cheers, > > Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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