The Warrior Diet

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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:39:21 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> I read the website -- what strikes me about the diet is

> that it is the direct opposite of what I (and a lot

> of folks) are doing -- instead of putting the big

> meals at the beginning of the day, it puts one

> big one at the end, but both approaches involve

> not eating for part of the day.

>

> Which incidentally, is what my DH has

> always done -- eats a minimal breakfast,

> maybe, forgets lunch -- and pigs out for

> dinner (then a dessert). He tends to be

> thin!

Sounds like my kind of eater!

>

> It would be interesting to compare the

> two approaches -- I've always heard that carbs

> at night get stored as fat (which makes sense)

> but his take is that you SHOULD store fat at night,

> and live off fat during the day. Which makes life

> easier too -- fewer meals to make. His

> other points are pretty NT-compatible:

And what points aren't you can tweak to make NT compatible. One of the

few rules of the diet is that you eat carbs as the last part of the meal.

The idea being they won't dominate your meal when eating that way.

> Anyway, good site, thanks!

> (www.thewarriordiet.com).

you are welcome.

[Guest guest]

>And what points aren't you can tweak to make NT compatible. One of the

>few rules of the diet is that you eat carbs as the last part of the meal.

>The idea being they won't dominate your meal when eating that way.

That's a good point. Kind of like some cultures always have a bowl

of broth with a meal ... soup of any kind has been shown to cut

your appetite faster, I think because it " escapes " from the stomach

into the small intestine where it can trigger the " off " switch (I

saw this happen live on an x-ray -- seeing digestion happen real-time --

which was rather awsome though I don't like to think about

how many rads were involved ...

-- Heidi

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It would be interesting to compare the

> two approaches -- I've always heard that carbs

> at night get stored as fat (which makes sense)

> but his take is that you SHOULD store fat at night,

> and live off fat during the day.

------>i was thinking this too about eating not just carbs, but a big meal

at night. i've been doing this for years, recently switched and am eating

much earlier in the day. but when i was talking to one of the trainers at my

gym, he was a bit skeptical about it. he said he thinks it probably doesn't

matter what time of day you eat a big meal because you still have " x " number

of calories coming in per day and are burning " x " number off. so if you burn

off what you take in, you shouldn't gain weight by eating late at night.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

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Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

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>>>> I think because it " escapes " from the stomach

into the small intestine where it can trigger the " off " switch (I

saw this happen live on an x-ray -- seeing digestion happen real-time --

which was rather awsome though I don't like to think about

how many rads were involved ...

---->what is " rad " ?

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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I've read the book and started doing The Warrior Diet 2-3 weeks

ago. I'm finally losing some weight. The idea is to go 16 to 18

hours on light meals of raw fruits or veggies and/or their juices

and to have one main meal when you can relax and really enjoy your

food. If you feel you need something more you are allowed 6 oz. of

protein during the undereating phase. There are rules for the main

meal or over eating phase, they are:

Rule #1: Always start with subtle tasting foods and move to the

more aggressive foods.

Rule #2: Include as many tastes, textures, colors, and aromas as

possible in your main meal.

Rule# 3: Stop eating when you feel much more thristy than hungry.

The author's evening meal is as follows: (page 98)

Eat as much as you want from all the food groups (protein, fat,

and carbohydrates), as long as you follow the Warrior Diet rules of

eating:

1. Start with leafy green vegetables (such as romaine lettuce, red

leaf lettuce, arugula, parsley, endives)

2. Continue with protein (such as chicken breast, turkey breast,

fish, shellfish, vea. scaloppini, sirloin steak, filet mignon, eggs,

cottage cheese), cooked vegetables (such as broccoli, cauliflower,

zucchini, carrots, squash, mushrooms, eggplant, beet greens, kale,

collard greens), and fat (such as essential fatty acid (EFA) oils,

olive oil, almonds, avocado, butter)

3. Finish with carbohydrates (such as rice, potatoes, corn, yams,

quinoa, barely)

4. Stop eating when you feel much more thirsty than hungry.

This layered way of eating reminds me of what I've read on

www.drbass.com It also reminds me of Fit for Life and eating high

water content foods before noon. It's compatible with Nourishing

Traditions, etc. It's like he's taken the best of all these diet

and put them together into one that makes sense.

Robin

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>> i was talking to one of the trainers at my

gym, he was a bit skeptical about it. he said he thinks it probably doesn't

matter what time of day you eat a big meal because you still have " x " number

of calories coming in per day and are burning " x " number off. so if you burn

off what you take in, you shouldn't gain weight by eating late at night. <<

That is because he still is locked in the calorie mentality. Calories matter to

an extent, but just as different cars get different mileage from the same gas,

different people get different mileage from the same calories. Also, it's

perfectly obvious to me that the composition of what you eat effects how it is

metabolized, and thus calories are not the be-all and the end-all of whether you

store fat or lose weight.

Teens on a low fat diet of 1200 calories a day lost LESS weight than teens on a

high fat diet of 1800 calories a day. People who eat a high fat diet lose more

weight than people who are eating nothing (under strict hospital supervision).

People who eat starvation levels of calories often cannot lose any weight at

all, whereas others who are eating fairly high levels can often lose a great

deal of weight. This isn't about calories.

Whether or not eating at night makes a difference I don't know, but there is a

lot of statistical correlation between nighttime eating and obesity levels. I

always do best the day after I've had a big meal two hours before I go to bed.

Snacking after dinner always slows me down the next day, but small, light

dinners are a problem because I cannot keep from snacking if I don't eat enough

for dinner.

I can't compare the carb issue because I eat so few carbs now, and spread them

out pretty much evenly between my three meals, that I just have no data.

Eating less than 3 meals a day would be a nightmare for me, as my blood sugar

has always been extremely unstable when I skip meals. Everyone is different, but

IMO if you have insulin resistance (as so many women do), I think something like

" the Warrior Diet " would be very harmful.

Christie

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>he said he thinks it probably doesn't

>matter what time of day you eat a big meal because you still have " x " number

>of calories coming in per day and are burning " x " number off. so if you burn

>off what you take in, you shouldn't gain weight by eating late at night.

>

>Suze Fisher

The theory is, that if you eat early, your metabolism can " rev up " ,

so you can burn off the calories.

After you eat protein, your metabolism tends to go into high

gear -- you burn something like 35% more calories after you

eat protein. However, if you were living out in a teepee,

that would make a lot of sense -- you'd need those calories

to stay warm at night.

Your body would store glycogen from the meal, enough for all

the next day, for short term hard work use. Protein you don't

use very quickly anyway -- it takes a long time to digest

and is used mainly for repair and muscle building (which

happens in your sleep). Fat is fat -- doesn't matter if you

just ate it or it is from your thighs, so the timing on eating

it shouldn't make that big a difference. So in theory -- one meal

a day should be fine, then your body isn't working so hard

digesting food all the time.

Anyway, I'm trying it, I'll let you know how it goes. I was eating

mainly only one meal anyway (less food at night) but that

made it hard to sleep, which is the problem I always have

with diets. I NEVER get insomnia except when I'm losing

weight, and I hate it.

Also -- when we were in Spain, we mainly ate one big

evening meal, mainly because that was what they served.

Latte for breakfast and a few snacks, but the main

meal was at 10 at night or something, and was HUGE.

We all lost weight in Spain, and only Spain, and I could

never figure out why. I think if you only eat

one meal, there is a limit to how many calories you

can cram into that meal!

-- Heidi

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>---->what is " rad " ?

>

>Suze Fisher

It is a measure of radiation -- how much you are getting.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>Whether or not eating at night makes a difference I don't know, but there is a

lot of statistical correlation between nighttime eating and obesity levels.

I've heard this too -- and the more you eat at night, the fatter you get. So

he's come up with an interesting concept. But it's easy enough to test -- it

works or it doesn't. I suspect it would work mainly because it is really hard to

pack a huge number of calories into one meal (and esp. not with his food

choices). Also with a big meal, sometimes your body chooses not to digest it

fully (esp. fats).

However, I've also read that people who only eat one meal a day tend to be

fatter than people who eat several -- which is why most body builders eat many

small meals. So there are some serious disagreements here.

> I always do best the day after I've had a big meal two hours before I go to

bed. Snacking after dinner always slows me down the next day, but small, light

dinners are a problem because I cannot keep from snacking if I don't eat enough

for dinner.

This is my problem too! I just keep snacking all night. So I STOPPED snacking,

and started losing weight, but then couldn't sleep.

>Eating less than 3 meals a day would be a nightmare for me, as my blood sugar

has always been extremely unstable when I skip meals. Everyone is different, but

IMO if you have insulin resistance (as so many women do), I think something like

" the Warrior Diet " would be very harmful.

My blood sugar fluctuates a lot, which makes me wonder. I've been living off 6

meals a day and lots of protein. However, the mice that do the every-other-day

eating have better blood sugar profiles than mice that eat all they want, so it

will be interesting to see if my body adapts. I can't see how it would be

harmful though -- the worst that would happen is I'd pass out (which never has

happened, actually, I just get grouchy and can't think straight).

The interesting thing about blood sugar is that there should be no reason why it

should go low, really. Our bodies are quite capable of storing enough glycogen

to go for a day without eating, and we break down fat for energy constantly

during the day. When I've measured my blood sugar when it is feeling " low " , it

is actually higher than normal, which I've read is because cortisol is released

to release the glycogen, and it is the cortisol that then makes you feel bad

(eating sugar brings up insulin levels, which brings down the cortisol). So, if

you don't eat all day, and IF your body actually *adjusts* (big IF) then maybe

that would balance out the insulin/cortisol? Seems to work on mice, anyway ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>

> That is because he still is locked in the calorie mentality.

My friend who got me started on all this WAP/NT stuff had a nice analogy

for this. But basically she told me that the way they determine calories is

how much energy/heat something gives off in a test tube when they break

it down. (I'm not repeating this well!). And this doesn't take into account

how the body actually uses things. Some things it breaks down for

calories, others for protein to build muscles, fat for cells... etc.

So, once again shoddy science is screwing things up. =)

> Teens on a low fat diet of 1200 calories a day lost LESS weight than

> teens on a high fat diet of 1800 calories a day. People who eat a high

> fat diet lose more weight than people who are eating nothing (under

> strict hospital supervision).

I was on 1200 calorie diets from age 10 to 16. Felt terrible all the time, at

nothing but low fat, diet, low calorie etc. (forced on me by my parents)

and gained and gained weight. My dad decided I must be secretly

binging at night when all were asleep, but on what he didn't know? And

the blunt truth was I was mal nourished and starving myself most of the

time until I'd end up caving in and eating one huge meal usually LOADED

with carbs.

My weight finally started to stabilize when I went off the sugar sodas and

started to eat natural fats. I was on diet sodas until 16 but switched to

sugar sodas cause I didn't feel good, and replaced one bad thing with

another. It took me about a year to get over my phobia of real butter, lard

etc. Now I can't get enough and unfortunately don't have raw grassfed

butter at hand, and I can't afford the organic stuff. So, I don't eat a lot of

butter... i feel queasy with the " regular " stuff.

> Whether or not eating at night makes a difference I don't know, but

> there is a lot of statistical correlation between nighttime eating and

> obesity levels.

Yeah, but what if it's a case of people who are constantly hungry and

craving stuff on their low fat diets? I mean, who are they studying but

obese people on special diets? I would be craving some " unknown " and

would fill up on crackers, or bread, or a bowl of leftover rice before

dinner. I thought I was doing well because it was low fat.

> I can't compare the carb issue because I eat so few carbs now, and

> spread them out pretty much evenly between my three meals, that I just

> have no data.

I can't now either.

> Eating less than 3 meals a day would be a nightmare for me, as my

> blood sugar has always been extremely unstable when I skip meals.

Mine was too, but yet I have no drive to eat more than 2 meals a day.

Can't figure out why. Maybe it's part of this aversion I have to eating at

all because of the way I grew up. My parents would make me fast to

" shrink " my stomach when I was like 12. We ate pretty much no veggies

growing up and our meals were about 80% starch/carbs.

> Everyone is different, but IMO if you have insulin resistance (as so

> many women do), I think something like " the Warrior Diet " would be

> very harmful.

Because of the carbs, or because of the light eating during the day?? I

think if you snacked all day on veggies, kefir smoothies, and light protein

sources (like cheese, yum)... it wouldn't be too hard?

If I get up early and try to eat within the first hour and a half, I can't. I

get

nauseated. But I take thyroid meds so I wait an hour before eating, really

tough when you are on a work/school schedule though.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

>My friend who got me started on all this WAP/NT stuff had a nice analogy

>for this. But basically she told me that the way they determine calories is

>how much energy/heat something gives off in a test tube when they break

>it down. (I'm not repeating this well!). And this doesn't take into account

>how the body actually uses things. Some things it breaks down for

>calories, others for protein to build muscles, fat for cells... etc.

Our chem teacher said the same thing: they put the food in a heavy

metal container called a " bomb " and burn it. They measure how

much energy it produces. Which is a measure of *something* and not

a bad guideline, but nowhere near the complexity of what goes on

in a human. I'm not sure, for instance, how they account for cellulose --

cellulose burns great, but has no caloric value.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I had always heard this is how sumo wrestlers get big, by eating a

lot at night before they sleep. Anyone know this about them for

sure? It would seem like you'd want to do just the opposite of

those guys.

>

> >Whether or not eating at night makes a difference I don't know,

but there is a lot of statistical correlation between nighttime

eating and obesity levels.

>

> I've heard this too -- and the more you eat at night, the fatter

you get. So he's come up with an interesting concept.

[Guest guest]

>I had always heard this is how sumo wrestlers get big, by eating a

>lot at night before they sleep. Anyone know this about them for

>sure? It would seem like you'd want to do just the opposite of

>those guys.

Well, they do eat low fat ... ! Seems like their secret is large quantities of

beer

and high cortisol levels.

http://www.inq7.net/lif/2003/jan/14/lif_21-3.htm

Weight loss (and gain)

lessons from sumo wrestlers

Posted: 9:44 PM (Manila Time) | Jan. 13, 2003

Inquirer News Service

Low-fat diet can be fattening

The traditional sumo meal is called chanko-nabe and it consists of some type of

protein (fish, seafood, chicken, pork or beef) in a fish broth stew with rice

and vegetables.

The wrestlers eat the same meal twice a day, every day of the year. The only

thing that changes is the type of meat or vegetables used.

The meal is actually quite healthy (unless they throw in excessive amounts of

salt and MSG to make it tastier) and even low in fat. The secret is in the huge

amounts that they eat.

It is quite clear from this that eating food low in fat doesn't mean you won't

gain weight. Portion sizes count.

For those who want to gain weight, the lesson is that you can pack on the pounds

but still eat healthy.

You don't have to overload your arteries with saturated fat or eat tons of

processed refined carbohydrates like pastries and candies, which can raise your

triglyceride and cholesterol levels as much as animal fat can.

Alcohol and abdominal fat

Not all sumo stables advise their wrestlers to drink alcohol with their meals,

but drinking large quantities of beer is also a traditional means of putting on

the weight needed to be a sumo champion.

Science reveals that alcohol makes cortisol levels rise. Cortisol is a stress

hormone that directs fat to be deposited in the abdominal area thus creating the

" beer belly. "

Sumo wrestlers want abdominal fat because it makes them more stable in the

wrestling ring. But even if this practice helps them win tournaments, it results

in liver problems among retired sumo wrestlers.

If you want to lose weight, remember what alcohol does to your fat cells and

drink in moderation. If you want to gain weight, stay away from this method. It

wouldn't do to ruin your liver.

[Guest guest]

Oh, and here are some Sumo recipes. Not bad, actually.

http://library.thinkquest.org/29486/chanko.html?tqskip1=1 & tqtime=0807

Here is more on the regimin they use to gain weight. They really

work at eating more. They do skip breakfast, which the authors think

also helps them gain weight. They nap after their first big meal, which

helps it store as fat.

http://www.inq7.net/lif/2003/jan/14/lif_21-2.htm

However, as of day 2 of the Warrior Diet, I have to say that I was NOT

groggy in the morning, skipping breakfast. Which is unusual: usually

I MUST MUST MUST have breakfast, and a big one. I did have one

nectarine, and a salad for lunch. But my energy level has been fine,

and little hunger (yesterday I didn't feel well at all, so I guess I'm

getting used to it).

Maybe without the insulin-triggers one's cortisol gets regulated

and you don't get the huge hunger triggers. In the case of Sumo

wrestlers, they force themselves to eat, so hunger wouldn't

be such a big factor as it is for most of us.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Thanks Heidi that was interesting! Funny, we talked about the

cortisol levels not to long ago. I didn't realize they had liver

problems. I've been dealing with elevated liver enzymes since I

started NT, must be eating to much of the good stuff.

>

> >I had always heard this is how sumo wrestlers get big, by eating

a

> >lot at night before they sleep. Anyone know this about them for

> >sure? It would seem like you'd want to do just the opposite of

> >those guys.

>

> Well, they do eat low fat ... ! Seems like their secret is large

quantities of beer

> and high cortisol levels.

>

> http://www.inq7.net/lif/2003/jan/14/lif_21-3.htm

>

> Weight loss (and gain)

> lessons from sumo wrestlers

> Posted: 9:44 PM (Manila Time) | Jan. 13, 2003

> Inquirer News Service

>

> Low-fat diet can be fattening

>

> The traditional sumo meal is called chanko-nabe and it consists of

some type of protein (fish, seafood, chicken, pork or beef) in a

fish broth stew with rice and vegetables.

>

> The wrestlers eat the same meal twice a day, every day of the

year. The only thing that changes is the type of meat or vegetables

used.

>

>

> The meal is actually quite healthy (unless they throw in excessive

amounts of salt and MSG to make it tastier) and even low in fat. The

secret is in the huge amounts that they eat.

>

> It is quite clear from this that eating food low in fat doesn't

mean you won't gain weight. Portion sizes count.

>

> For those who want to gain weight, the lesson is that you can pack

on the pounds but still eat healthy.

>

> You don't have to overload your arteries with saturated fat or eat

tons of processed refined carbohydrates like pastries and candies,

which can raise your triglyceride and cholesterol levels as much as

animal fat can.

>

> Alcohol and abdominal fat

>

> Not all sumo stables advise their wrestlers to drink alcohol with

their meals, but drinking large quantities of beer is also a

traditional means of putting on the weight needed to be a sumo

champion.

>

> Science reveals that alcohol makes cortisol levels rise. Cortisol

is a stress hormone that directs fat to be deposited in the

abdominal area thus creating the " beer belly. "

>

> Sumo wrestlers want abdominal fat because it makes them more

stable in the wrestling ring. But even if this practice helps them

win tournaments, it results in liver problems among retired sumo

wrestlers.

>

> If you want to lose weight, remember what alcohol does to your fat

cells and drink in moderation. If you want to gain weight, stay away

from this method. It wouldn't do to ruin your liver.

[Guest guest]

<<They nap after their first big meal, which

helps it store as fat.>>

I've heard this about them and it's what made me wonder about The

Warrior Diet in regards to eating a big meal late in the day and

going to sleep shortly thereafter. It would seem to cause weight

gain instead of weight lose. However, the under-eating phase and

the rules for the over-eating phase must off set this somehow, so it

causes weight lose instead of weight gain.

>

> Oh, and here are some Sumo recipes. Not bad, actually.

>

> http://library.thinkquest.org/29486/chanko.html?

tqskip1=1 & tqtime=0807

>

> Here is more on the regimin they use to gain weight. They really

> work at eating more. They do skip breakfast, which the authors

think

> also helps them gain weight. They nap after their first big meal,

which

> helps it store as fat.

>

> http://www.inq7.net/lif/2003/jan/14/lif_21-2.htm

>

> However, as of day 2 of the Warrior Diet, I have to say that I was

NOT

> groggy in the morning, skipping breakfast. Which is unusual:

usually

> I MUST MUST MUST have breakfast, and a big one. I did have one

> nectarine, and a salad for lunch. But my energy level has been

fine,

> and little hunger (yesterday I didn't feel well at all, so I guess

I'm

> getting used to it).

>

> Maybe without the insulin-triggers one's cortisol gets regulated

> and you don't get the huge hunger triggers. In the case of Sumo

> wrestlers, they force themselves to eat, so hunger wouldn't

> be such a big factor as it is for most of us.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Did you read this?! Cooking to gain weight, besides eating a lot.

Therefore, would the flip-side apply to losing weight, eat raw and

of course, less.

<<The REAL Breakfast of Champions "

I suggest cooking these dishes if you are looking to gain weight,

or, if you're really hungry. Remember, it's not the food that makes

you fat, it's the quantity of it you eat.>>

>

> Oh, and here are some Sumo recipes. Not bad, actually.

>

> http://library.thinkquest.org/29486/chanko.html?

tqskip1=1 & tqtime=0807

>

> Here is more on the regimin they use to gain weight. They really

> work at eating more. They do skip breakfast, which the authors

think

> also helps them gain weight. They nap after their first big meal,

which

> helps it store as fat.

>

> http://www.inq7.net/lif/2003/jan/14/lif_21-2.htm

>

> However, as of day 2 of the Warrior Diet, I have to say that I was

NOT

> groggy in the morning, skipping breakfast. Which is unusual:

usually

> I MUST MUST MUST have breakfast, and a big one. I did have one

> nectarine, and a salad for lunch. But my energy level has been

fine,

> and little hunger (yesterday I didn't feel well at all, so I guess

I'm

> getting used to it).

>

> Maybe without the insulin-triggers one's cortisol gets regulated

> and you don't get the huge hunger triggers. In the case of Sumo

> wrestlers, they force themselves to eat, so hunger wouldn't

> be such a big factor as it is for most of us.

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

from somewhat stupid article about low-fat sumo diets:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> Science reveals that alcohol makes cortisol levels rise. Cortisol

is a stress hormone that directs fat to be deposited in the abdominal

area thus creating the " beer belly. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i don't know much about cortisol, but what component of alcohol

causes this?

it makes me think of someone i know who drinks heavily and has a

pretty extreme beer belly (and is a short female!).

mike parker

[Guest guest]

>I've heard this about them and it's what made me wonder about The

>Warrior Diet in regards to eating a big meal late in the day and

>going to sleep shortly thereafter. It would seem to cause weight

>gain instead of weight lose. However, the under-eating phase and

>the rules for the over-eating phase must off set this somehow, so it

>causes weight lose instead of weight gain.

Also I checked the calorie levels on my " gonzo " meal and it was

only 1,400. If you eat like he recommends, it is really, really

difficult to eat all that much. A fullbore Thanksgiving meal

is maybe 2,000 calories. So the fats might store better, but

on the other hand, no one is going to gain weight on 1,400

calories a day!

So if you first eat greens or some lean vegetable, then

some meat ... well, you are pretty full. Then you won't

eat all that much starch, and very little dessert. All in

all it will be much less than your average day of snacking

etc.

However, usually when I eat 1,400 calories a day my

metabolism goes way down and I'm cold all the time.

Last night I was ROASTING, and my energy level was

fine today too. So I'm thinking he may be right --

humans LIKE to stuff themselves, and our bodies

might like it too -- providing it is followed by a period

of no insulin action.

Anyway, it's one of those things that is easy to prove

or disprove by experiment, so onward and upward ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>i don't know much about cortisol, but what component of alcohol

>causes this?

>

>it makes me think of someone i know who drinks heavily and has a

>pretty extreme beer belly (and is a short female!).

>

>mike parker

I don't know what it is about alchohol that raises cortisol

levels, but the cortisol book says the same thing. Allergies raise

cortisol levels too. Basically anything that the body perceives

as " stress " . Now those Sumo wrestlers do 4-5 hours worth of

training too, which you would think would be stressful ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>>>Funny, we talked about the cortisol levels not to long ago. I didn't

realize they had liver

problems. I've been dealing with elevated liver enzymes since I started NT,

must be eating to much of the good stuff.

----->robin, elevated liver enzymes indicates a problem. for example, if you

eat something poisonous, your liver enzymes will be elevated. i'm not sure

what you're referring to " must be eating too much of the good stuff " here..?

Suze Fisher

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

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[Guest guest]

We were talking about sumo wrestlers and their diet. They basically

eat what most would consider a good diet, even according to NT

standards, yet they have liver problems from consuming to much and

all the weight gain.

> >>>Funny, we talked about the cortisol levels not to long ago. I

didn't

> realize they had liver

> problems. I've been dealing with elevated liver enzymes since I

started NT,

> must be eating to much of the good stuff.

>

> ----->robin, elevated liver enzymes indicates a problem. for

example, if you

> eat something poisonous, your liver enzymes will be elevated. i'm

not sure

> what you're referring to " must be eating too much of the good

stuff " here..?

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/7/03 1:53:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Nest4Robin@... writes:

> I had always heard this is how sumo wrestlers get big, by eating a

> lot at night before they sleep. Anyone know this about them for

> sure? It would seem like you'd want to do just the opposite of

> those guys.

Yeah, I stopped wearing a diaper a looooong time ago.

Chris

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:15:41 -0700

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> Also -- when we were in Spain, we mainly ate one big

> evening meal, mainly because that was what they served.

> Latte for breakfast and a few snacks, but the main

> meal was at 10 at night or something, and was HUGE.

> We all lost weight in Spain, and only Spain, and I could

> never figure out why. I think if you only eat

> one meal, there is a limit to how many calories you

> can cram into that meal!

>

> -- Heidi

It is the same way in Buenos Aires. Huge meal late at night and no

weight problems. It is very different from our style of eating here in

the states. Actually a little disconcerting until you get used to it.

I eat the " Argentinean " way when I am in Vegas because I know what Vegas

means for me - late nights - lots of food - lots of wine/beer, etc. Lots

of fun but certainly not good for the waistline under normal

circumstances. Yet I normally lose weight. If I know I have to eat during

the day on a regular basis while there I just go Atkins, leaving out all

the carbs except alcohol and veggies, and I remain lean as well.

As for calories, some greedy men like myself have been known to stuff

3000 calories (!) or so at a single meal, especially when drinking adult

beverages. Still no weight gain. The author of the Warrior Diet seems to

think that a really big meal cranks up the metabolism. Whatever the

mechanism, it works for me.

" Humans live on one-quarter of what they eat; on the other three-quarters lives

their doctor. "

--Egyptian pyramid inscription, 3800 B.C.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/03 6:39:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

heidis@... writes:

> Interesting. I kind of wonder of most of the world doesn't eat

> " one meal " -- considering how much work it is to cook if you

> don't have a fridge and electric stove.

Maybe it has to do with what you *do*. You're what, a computer programmer,

right? I can't imagine going out and mowing a hayfield with a scythe for a

couple hours at 5 in the morning on a piece of fruit!

Chris