Re: Sodium Content of Foods

[Guest guest]

It's hard to eat even 100 calories of such foods. They're exceptionally low

in calories. Don't kid yourself. You're getting it from the processed

foods, the salt you're adding to recipes (even though only once in a while)

and of course eating out (and you're probably not even counting that).

on 3/22/2004 3:23 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Well this may go a long way to answering where my sodium comes from:

>

> 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) celery contains 8594 mg sodium!!!

>

> 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) spinach contains 6104 mg!!!

[Guest guest]

1700 calories (Kcal?) of celery or spinach is probably quite a bit...

a) do you have high BP?

if yes, are you salt sensitive?

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Sodium Content of Foods

Well this may go a long way to answering where my sodium comes from:

1700 calories of plain (unsalted) celery contains 8594 mg sodium!!!

1700 calories of plain (unsalted) spinach contains 6104 mg!!!

If you eat much of this kind of stuff, it will be very difficult to

avoid being WAY over all the upper limits.

Rodney.

I have checked these data in two entirely separate sources. Although

they probably are both using the USDA as their original source.

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

Sorry. It is simply a function of arithmetic that if you are eating

1700 calories a day of ***the kind of foods*** that, like spinach and

celery, contain about 6000 mg of sodium per 1700 calories, then they

will be a major factor raising your sodium intake.

It now seems most likely that it is the vegetables I eat that are the

largest contributors to my excessive sodium intake. But I will have

more definite conclusions after more careful analysis a week or two

hence.

Rodney.

>

> > Well this may go a long way to answering where my sodium comes

from:

> >

> > 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) celery contains 8594 mg

sodium!!!

> >

> > 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) spinach contains 6104 mg!!!

[Guest guest]

Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of veggies.

Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood pressures that we

do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by my family

history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am the only one

in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp medication.

on 3/22/2004 3:44 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi Francesca:

>

> Sorry. It is simply a function of arithmetic that if you are eating

> 1700 calories a day of ***the kind of foods*** that, like spinach and

> celery, contain about 6000 mg of sodium per 1700 calories, then they

> will be a major factor raising your sodium intake.

>

> It now seems most likely that it is the vegetables I eat that are the

> largest contributors to my excessive sodium intake. But I will have

> more definite conclusions after more careful analysis a week or two

> hence.

>

> Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Surely it is clear that if we eat a food 1700 calories of which

contains only 50% of the RDA of a given nutrient, then eating that

food will tend to prevent you from getting your necessary dosage of

that nutrient. It would be much better to eat a food from which you

would get at least 100% of the RDA from 1700 calories of it.

Similarly if you eat foods 1700 calories of which will give you FIVE

TIMES the recommended upper limit for something then eating them will

not help you get your consumption of that nutrient below an excessive

level.

I am not saying, obviously, that anyone does, or should, eat 1700

calories of any one item. But the nutrient content of 1700 calories

worth (if that is the number of calories you are eating in a given

day) of any food can provide you with a very good idea of whether it

is contributing to, or detracting from, your efforts to achieve

whatever your objective is.

Eating celery and spinach clearly detract from any efforts to keep

one's sodium consumption down.

Have I made myself clear?

Rodney.

> >

> > > Well this may go a long way to answering where my sodium comes

> from:

> > >

> > > 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) celery contains 8594 mg

> sodium!!!

> > >

> > > 1700 calories of plain (unsalted) spinach contains 6104 mg!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

Then when was the last time you actually tracked how much sodium you

are eating? And how much was it?

Rodney.

> Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of

veggies.

> Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood

pressures that we

> do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by my

family

> history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am the

only one

> in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp medication.

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the sodium content of various veggies * As you can see the vast

majority are low per serving:

Vegetables (fresh)

mg sodium

Beets (1 cup)

81

Broccoli (1 lb)

68

Carrot (1 medium)

34

Celery (1 stalk)

50

Corn (1 ear)

Trace

Cucumber (1 large)

18

Eggplant (1 cup)

2

Lettuce (1 head)

48

Lima beans (1 cup)

3

Onion (1 cup, chopped)

17

Peas (1 cup)

3

Potato (1, baked)

6

Radishes (10 large)

15

Spinach (1 cup)

39

Sweet potato (1)

15

Tomato (1 medium)

4

(Source: Department of Family Medicine and Comprehensive Care, Louisiana

State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport, Louisiana).

on 3/22/2004 4:04 PM, Rodney at perspect1111@... wrote:

> Hi Francesca:

>

> Then when was the last time you actually tracked how much sodium you

> are eating? And how much was it?

>

> Rodney.

>

>

>> Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of

> veggies.

>> Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood

> pressures that we

>> do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by my

> family

>> history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am the

> only one

>> in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp medication.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting. Another reason we can't get all our energy from veggies.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Sodium Content of Foods

Well this may go a long way to answering where my sodium comes from:1700 calories of plain (unsalted) celery contains 8594 mg sodium!!!1700 calories of plain (unsalted) spinach contains 6104 mg!!!If you eat much of this kind of stuff, it will be very difficult to avoid being WAY over all the upper limits.Rodney.I have checked these data in two entirely separate sources. Although they probably are both using the USDA as their original source.

[Guest guest]

I understand what you're saying, Rodney. It's like my argument that 8 # of romaine provides all the "nutrients" and all we have to add is more energy, like a cookie, french fries, or candy. But no one can eat 8 # of romaine (644 kcals), and if they did, they better be conscious of the Potassium to sodium ratio. If you eat 1700 kcals of spinach (raw), better be conscious of the 14 GRAMS of K. That's like 10# of spinach and I doubt anyone can eat ONE pound.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rodney

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Sodium Content of Foods

Hi folks:Surely it is clear that if we eat a food 1700 calories of which contains only 50% of the RDA of a given nutrient, then eating that food will tend to prevent you from getting your necessary dosage of that nutrient. It would be much better to eat a food from which you would get at least 100% of the RDA from 1700 calories of it.Similarly if you eat foods 1700 calories of which will give you FIVE TIMES the recommended upper limit for something then eating them will not help you get your consumption of that nutrient below an excessive level. I am not saying, obviously, that anyone does, or should, eat 1700 calories of any one item. But the nutrient content of 1700 calories worth (if that is the number of calories you are eating in a given day) of any food can provide you with a very good idea of whether it is contributing to, or detracting from, your efforts to achieve whatever your objective is.Eating celery and spinach clearly detract from any efforts to keep one's sodium consumption down.Have I made myself clear?Rodney.

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca:

What is relevant is their sodium content per 100 calories, or per

1700 calories or per whatever number of calories you choose.

Did you ever work for the marketing department of a food processing

company? ;; ^ )))

Rodney.

> >> Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of

> > veggies.

> >> Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood

> > pressures that we

> >> do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by

my

> > family

> >> history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am

the

> > only one

> >> in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp

medication.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

NO>>>> what is most relevant is sodium content per serving...

How much sodium do you get eating a normal amount.....

What is relevant is loading you diet planner and seeing how much sodium you

consume eating the specific foods and specific amounts you normally consume.

IMO the amount of sodium in unpalatable (too much to eat in a day) amounts

of sundry vegetables is the useless information.

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: Rodney [mailto:perspect1111@...]

Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:58 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Sodium Content of Foods

Hi Francesca:

What is relevant is their sodium content per 100 calories, or per

1700 calories or per whatever number of calories you choose.

Did you ever work for the marketing department of a food processing

company? ;; ^ )))

Rodney.

> >> Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of

> > veggies.

> >> Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood

> > pressures that we

> >> do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by

my

> > family

> >> history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am

the

> > only one

> >> in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp

medication.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think we're saying the same thing. It's hard to eat more than for example

2 cups of spinach a day. Even if one did eat 2 full cups, that's only 80 mg

of sodium. If one eats 10 servings of a variety of vegetables daily, your

sodium intake would be anywhere from 250- 500 mg or so (depending on the

veggies) or nowhere near the 6000 mg previously stated.

on 3/22/2004 5:21 PM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> IMO the amount of sodium in unpalatable (too much to eat in a day) amounts

> of sundry vegetables is the useless information.

>

> JR

[Guest guest]

Hi JR:

Post 10875 answers this issue for me. It may not appear relevant to

you. But it is self evident to me. fwiw.

Rodney.

> > >> Rodney: this does not logically compute. We ALL eat lots of

> > > veggies.

> > >> Those of us who are salt sensitive would not the low blood

> > > pressures that we

> > >> do from our CRON diets (and I am probably one of these going by

> my

> > > family

> > >> history of hbp and sensitivity to salt causing HBP). Yet I am

> the

> > > only one

> > >> in my immediate family of 5 who has not had to take HBp

> medication.

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I have recently initiated consumption of table salt at 2

teaspoons/day. My reason was my high TSH, which apparently can

derive from iodide, not iodine as Rodney described it.

Related to iodide, seaweeds have huge amounts, which can lead to

elevated TSH.

Top off the low blood pressure with my low serum sodium levels, and I

feel that I have minor risk of excess sodium.

I have read that chloride is even more important than sodium.

Variety is important.

Cheers, Al Pater.