Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Hi Temma: A study in Japan showed a pretty clear correlation between variations in dietary salt consumption by region and the incidence of stomach cancer. Many molecules that contain chlorine atoms are known carcinogens - polychlorinated biphenyls, carbon tetrachloride, vinyl chloride, dioxin .......... table salt is sodium chloride. Since the introduction of refridgeration (and therefore the reduced use of salt in food preservation) the incidence of stomach cancer has declined appreciably. For the above reason I limit my use of salt as much as possible, use much less of it than a recipe suggests for example. But of course we do need limited amounts of the sodium it contains, and it is also a good source of essential iodine. But there are other places we can get these nutrients. And while a salt deficiency can be a cause of cramp, not all cramp is caused by salt deficiency (probably most isn't). Given the 'average intake' numbers below it is doubtful many in the US are deficient in sodium. Just my take. Perhaps I am mistaken. I welcome hearing alternative views on this. Information on sodium: " Sodium Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) The current recommendation is to consume less than 2,400 milligrams (mg) of sodium a day. This is about 1 teaspoon of table salt per day. It includes ALL salt and sodium consumed, including sodium used in cooking and at the table. " UK Sodium RDA The US sodium RDA of less than 2,400 mg is higher than the UK Recommended Nutritional Intake (RNI) whose upper limit for sodium is 1,600 mg. " Sodium RDA - Lower for Those with Blood Pressure People with high blood pressure should consume less sodium as recent research has shown that people consuming diets of 1,500 mg of sodium had better blood pressure lowering benefits. These lower-sodium diets also can keep blood pressure from rising and help blood pressure medicines work better. " Sodium RDA - National Research Council The National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences recommends an approximate daily range of 1,100 to 3,300 mg of sodium for adults. " Sodium RDA - American Heart Association The American Heart Association recommends that for every 1,000 Calories of food consumed, the sodium intake should be 1,000 mg and should not exceed the 3,000 mg limit. " Sodium RDA vs. Average Intake The average intake in the United States is between 4,000 and 5,000 mg of sodium per day. " No Specific Sodium RDA for Children Specific recommendations regarding sodium intake do not exist for infants, children, and adolescents. However, since eating habits and attitudes about food formed during childhood are likely to influence eating habits for life, moderate intake of sodium is suggested. " Note: Sodium Deficiency Sodium deficiency is not common but can occur during heavy/prolonged exercise, due to loss in sweat and in high temperatures. Signs of sodium deficiency include: cramps, weakness, fatigue, nausea and thirst. " Sources include: US Dept of Health National Institutes of Health National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute " Sodium Diet Related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Ten grams of salt contains about 3.9 grams of sodium. --- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...> wrote: > Hi Temma: > > A study in Japan showed a pretty clear correlation between variations > in dietary salt consumption by region and the incidence of stomach > cancer. Many molecules that contain chlorine atoms are known > carcinogens - polychlorinated biphenyls, carbon tetrachloride, vinyl > chloride, dioxin .......... table salt is sodium chloride. Since the > introduction of refridgeration (and therefore the reduced use of salt > in food preservation) the incidence of stomach cancer has declined > appreciably. > > For the above reason I limit my use of salt as much as possible, use > much less of it than a recipe suggests for example. But of course we > do need limited amounts of the sodium it contains, and it is also a > good source of essential iodine. But there are other places we can > get these nutrients. And while a salt deficiency can be a cause of > cramp, not all cramp is caused by salt deficiency (probably most > isn't). Given the 'average intake' numbers below it is doubtful many > in the US are deficient in sodium. Just my take. Perhaps I am > mistaken. I welcome hearing alternative views on this. > > Information on sodium: > > " Sodium Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) > The current recommendation is to consume less than 2,400 milligrams > (mg) of sodium a day. This is about 1 teaspoon of table salt per day. > It includes ALL salt and sodium consumed, including sodium used in > cooking and at the table. > > " UK Sodium RDA > The US sodium RDA of less than 2,400 mg is higher than the UK > Recommended Nutritional Intake (RNI) whose upper limit for sodium is > 1,600 mg. > > " Sodium RDA - Lower for Those with Blood Pressure > People with high blood pressure should consume less sodium as recent > research has shown that people consuming diets of 1,500 mg of sodium > had better blood pressure lowering benefits. These lower-sodium diets > also can keep blood pressure from rising and help blood pressure > medicines work better. > > " Sodium RDA - National Research Council > The National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences > recommends an approximate daily range of 1,100 to 3,300 mg of sodium > for adults. > > " Sodium RDA - American Heart Association > The American Heart Association recommends that for every 1,000 > Calories of food consumed, the sodium intake should be 1,000 mg and > should not exceed the 3,000 mg limit. > > " Sodium RDA vs. Average Intake > The average intake in the United States is between 4,000 and 5,000 mg > of sodium per day. > > " No Specific Sodium RDA for Children > Specific recommendations regarding sodium intake do not exist for > infants, children, and adolescents. However, since eating habits and > attitudes about food formed during childhood are likely to influence > eating habits for life, moderate intake of sodium is suggested. > > " Note: Sodium Deficiency > Sodium deficiency is not common but can occur during heavy/prolonged > exercise, due to loss in sweat and in high temperatures. Signs of > sodium deficiency include: cramps, weakness, fatigue, nausea and > thirst. > > " Sources include: > US Dept of Health > National Institutes of Health > National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute > > " Sodium Diet Related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Many of us eat canned salmon. If so, you get plenty of salt in your diet. on 3/22/2004 2:22 AM, temma675 at temma675@... wrote: > Anyone experiencing discomfort might want to incorporate some salt in > their food. > > If your the type who avoids processed/restaurant food your salt > intake might be incredible low compared to the amount of food your > eating. I use to avoid salt like anything but I understand the > importance of salt, I dont know how but it seems to calm me down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 BS. ----- Original Message ----- From: temma675 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:22 AM Subject: [ ] Importance of salt Anyone experiencing discomfort might want to incorporate some salt in their food. If your the type who avoids processed/restaurant food your salt intake might be incredible low compared to the amount of food your eating. I use to avoid salt like anything but I understand the importance of salt, I dont know how but it seems to calm me down. I generally incorporate around 10g of salt per 1800 calories of food that I make, alternatively you can incorporate salt in your water but I wouldnt recommend it.I realize the importance of food when I was making my own meals. When your making food thats rich in veggies or even grains it maybe an idea to put an adaquate amount of salt.Not too much though.I think your RDA of salt is around 5g. Which is one teaspoon. I know we're not elephants, Rhinos or monkeys but these animals actively incorporate salt in their diet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...> wrote: > Good post. > One thing that's often ignored is that sodium is in everything, even though it may not be on the label. Most producers post that added sodium. If you have HTN, there is a point you can find that will effect your BP, right or wrong, so intake can be manipulated to lower BP and maybe duck a med or two. Some claim very low levels like 300 mg. My feeling is if it works for those it should work for anyone except maybe a marine walking 30 miles thru heat carrying a pack. > I like 1250+/- 250 to balance the potassium in veggies to a 4:1 ratio, K/Na. > > Sorry, I may have used sodium and salt in the same context. I realize the incidence of stomach cancer in Japan but I heard that this was more to do with the fact that we eat char-grilled fish (Almost burnt fish grilled above a fire, this is a common site in japan).The type of cooking you get at a camp site). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Hi JR: Well here are my numbers on sodium. After being nagged (!!!) about my salt usage a couple of decades ago I essentially have never added salt to anything since then, except in recipes and even then much less (often none at all) than the recipe calls for. (The naggor now uses about ten times as much salt as the naggee and ignores my suggestions to cut back!) For example, the instructions on the packages of spaghetti I use tell you to add two tablespoons of salt to the water before adding the spaghetti. I add none at all. The overwhelming majority of what I eat I cook (but some stuff does come from cans), with salt used only if considered absolutely necessary - if I am cooking for guests who are expecting the tastiest possible meal, for example. Fitday tells me that over the past month I have been averaging 1760 calories per day - not a huge amount. My sodium consumption over that period has averaged 4075 mg per day. That is two-and-one-half times as much as the UK's recommended UPPER limit for sodium. So it doesn't seem to me that I am in much danger of being sodium deficient. Sometime I am going to have to check where I am getting it all from. From my food logged in so far today I am getting only about one mg of sodium per calorie. Perhaps it will be 1700 mg for the day. Even that is above the UK's upper limit. Rodney. --- In , " john roberts " <johnhrob@n...> wrote: ................. > If you are CR or already careful about nutrition, lower BMI and/or operating > at an energy deficit, practicing regular aerobic exercise, and already have > low BP you may be at as much risk of not getting enough as getting too much. ..................... > If you are cooking everything you eat and > don't add salt you might want to run your numbers in a diet planner to see > what you get. You're probably still ok unless you do a lot of sweaty > work/exercise. .................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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