Re: herbs vs drugs

[Guest guest]

Hi sol

Sol, you disagree " strongly " to some things that you

know nothing about ...and that is ok but this time, I

'strongly' suggest, you are wrong. The clue was when

you said " " natural " isn't inherently any safer than

" drugs " , " . Where did you get such an idea?

There is no way that natural herbs are anything

like drugs made by pharmaceuticals. Drugs are

made by first isolating what the scientist deems

to be the 'active' ingredient and then this

ingredient is synthesized in the lab. Most drugs

never see anything natural after that. Often the

drugs are synthesized from questionable

substances such as petroleum products or

genetically modified organisms (gmo's). Drugs

often have many side effects, sometimes one of

which is death. This is not so with herbs.

Over 160,000 people are KILLED by drugs each

year. It is right on their death certificate. Some

say the number is much higher. You would be

hard pressed, on the other hand, to find one

person who was killed by taking herbs in any

givenyear.

God, in His wisdom, made the herbs with the

active ingredient but He also provided other

ingredients in the same herb to enhance the

active ingredient or even to neutralize, perhaps,

in some cases, an ingredient that might be toxic

by itself. Not so the drug companies. They don't

even want to test more than one isolated

component at a time. I guess they know better

than God.

Herbs are plants that can be eaten via salads or

capsules to aid in preventing diseases. Try going

to your doctor and asking him to prescribe some

chemotherapy to prevent cancer. He will think

you have lost your mind. He probably will tell

you that those drugs are toxic and could be lethal

over time. Not so with herbs. Even if you over-

dose, they may make you sick and you will quit

them before they have a chance to kill you. Then

you will return to where you were before.

I want to make it clear that nothing will heal

anyone of anything if they keep eating junk or

drinking a liter (quart) of soda pop per day OF

ANY KIND. Supplement your diet with herbs

and other supplements by all means but learn

about better food choices, too.

Nowhere in my last email, did I say to take lots of

herbs. Generally, if you take what it says of the

bottle, you will be safe. You can even take a bit

more but not too much more. If you start mixing

different herbs together, there should be no problem

as long as you don't overdo it. I might take as many

as 6 different herbs at the same time but believe

me, I will be carefully listening to my body to see if

it objects. I don't usually take them all on the same

day just as I don't eat the same vegetables every day

but I do take several kinds at a time if I have them.

I'm still here.

We should all be eating far more herbs than we do,

either in our salad or in a capsules.

If you add spices to any of your foods then you are

eating herbs. When you cook with them, they call

them spices but when the same plant is put in a

capsule, it is called a herb or worse yet a natural

or herbal 'medicine'. It is not a medicine; it is a

food. A good example, is cinnamon. Cinnamon

has been found to be very helpful for Diabetes, for

example, and you can buy it as a herb in a capsule

in the health stores. Is it a spice or an herb? And

another is garlic. If I eat a few cloves, it is a vegetable.

If I take an extract instead, it is an herb. Neither one

hurt me. Both aid in my health and immune system.

The extract tastes better.

I cannot think of one herb I would not take even if I

didn't need it for the ailment for which it is touted.

As a matter of fact, when I used to buy at health

stores before going with MLM companies, if I found

herbs on a very low special, I would buy them all and

take them even if I did not have the ailment for which

they were intended. My reasoning was that most

herbs help more than one ailment and also they can

be taken as a preventative. They also contain

nutrients that my body needs and often are harvested

off of areas that have not been totally depleted unlike

the soil on which our vegetables are grown.

You said, " Enough of anything will harm or kill you. "

You are correct. That is why people should be taught

to listen to their bodies. If you drink too much water

it will kill you eventually. People drinking too much

water is not the issue; for most of us it is a chore to drink

the 8 glasses a day recommended. There isn't much

chance of people getting too many herbs; they cannot

afford them. The odd person will overdo them but

that will stop when they realize it works against them.

I hesitate to warn people about too many herbs because

immediately they shy away from taking them at all when

they need them which is all the time in my opinion.

You said, " And there are harmful interactions between

herbs and natural medicines just as there are between

conventional pharma

drugs, and between herbals and

pharma drugs. "

Reply >> Give me some examples of interactions

between herbs and 'natural' medicines. I have never

had any problems when mixing herbs and other

supplements. I am somewhat careful but not all that

careful. I will take my chances with herbs any day

before I will with drugs. God proliferated the earth

with herbs. If they were that dangerous, do you think

He would have said at least something about being

careful? He did not put it in the manual.

Where do you get the idea that there are dangerous

interactions between herbals and pharma drugs? Do

you know what one doctor said to me? He said I should

stop taking the herbs because he would not be able to

tell if the drug was working or if the herb was interfering.

As long as either thing is working, who cares. Oh, yes,

and one of his arguments was that the herbs might mask

the disease. What did he mean? ...that the herbs might

heal it? And even if there is an interaction which is highly

unlikely, which do you quit taking? The drug or the herb?

I don't know about you but I would quit taking the drug.

I am an older lady and I smoke 2 to 3 packages of cigarettes

per day for too many years. I finally quit a few years ago. I

am not taking one pharma drug. I do supplement a quite a

bit with herbs, foods and supplements and I am still here.

My health is good. All those supplements and herbs didn't

hurt. As a matter of fact, they are the reason you are getting

this email. I don't care if the supplements are synthetic

sometimes but given a choice that I can afford, I would choose

herbs and/or concentrated foods as supplements in addition

to a regular diet.

I honestly believe that the thing that helped me through the

rough financial times I experienced, was taking a cheap

multiple vitamin and mineral tablet each day as it provided

nutrients I was not getting on my diet of macaroni. ) No,

it was not enough but it was all that I could afford.

Be careful what you believe. The pharmaceutical companies

are the meanest, nastiest, most dishonest and immoral

corporations there are. I am ashamed sometimes to admit

that I have a regular conventional doctor who was trained by

these pharma companies. I am opposed to integrative

medicine. It is like saying we will let the devil into our

church a little bit of the time because he offers some good

ideas sometimes. It is like putting a rotten apple in with a

bunch of healthy apples. The pharmaceuticals must be

loving the opportunity to infiltrate the natural health

professions. They know that they will eventually have them

sucked into their ways.

With the internet being the biggest lying machine you ever

saw, I fully expect to see the pharma companies distort the

truth in an attempt to deceive the public just enough to

keep them from the truth about supplements. They have

already put out news releases saying that people probably

should not take too many supplements because they don't

help and some might even be bad for you, 'studies say'.

They don't say one word about where the study might be

found or who did it. They are liars.

I have read some of the stuff on the Hopkins Hospital

site. They are overly careful about mixing herbs and drugs

there. I can only imagine that Big Pharma is paying for

those studies.

Why are pharmaceutical companies against you and I taking

herbs and supplements? Is it because the supplements don't

work? Or may it is because they do work. Surely, they don't

want us to die, do they? No, I can assure you that they don't

want us to die; they just want us to be sick as long as possible.

Helen

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From: sol <solbun@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:21:18 AM

Subject: " natural " medicines, was Re: Re: Enough

Already

helen/zhebee wrote:

> I believe that generally if the product

> is natural (ie, not a drug) it is usually going

> to be safe and if it doesn't help the particular

> problem, it will probably benefit something

> in the body.

I have to disagree strongly that " natural " is inherently any safer than

" drugs " , it may be a matter of degree, but still. Enough of anything

will harm or kill you. And there are harmful interactions between herbs

and natural medicines just as there are between conventional pharma

drugs, and between herbals and pharma drugs. " Natural " medicines contain

active chemicals just like the extracted or synthetic chemicals in drugs.

It simply is dangerous to believe that " natural " equals " safe " , it doesn't.

sol

[Guest guest]

helen/zhebee wrote:

>

> You said, " And there are harmful interactions between

> herbs and natural medicines just as there are between

> conventional pharma

> drugs, and between herbals and

> pharma drugs. "

>

> Reply >> Give me some examples of interactions

> between herbs and 'natural' medicines.

Check an Herbal PDR (if memory serves there is at least one). Also check

medication interaction sites, and herbal interactions sites. I can't

think of an example off hand but I have found many while researching

what is safe to take with what.

Also check Dr. A. Duke's databases for info on the chemicals in herbs.

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

sol

[Guest guest]

Hi Sol

Thank you for your reply.

I checked that site a bit but it is a complicated

site and I am pressed for time.

When it comes to science and clinical studies

I am not that impressed. I was in a clinical

study for a natural product. I saw right away

that I could have told the doctor whatever I

wished, except for my blood pressure which

they monitored. I know what some people are

like and I'm sure you have seen them, too.

They have to impress whoever they think

are more elite than others around them. They

are all goo-goo and ga-ga over this person just

sucking up and they will tell that person exactly

what they want to hear. So if they wanted to

impress that doctor, for example, they could and

would say anything. These types make me sick.

I much sooner listen to anecdotal evidence and

if it is inperson so much the better. You and

others in this group will disagree and that's ok

but I have had much success for me, my family

and friends just by using what I read in anecdotal

stories that I used to find in the Prevention magazine

(and MLM companies) before the drug companies

took it over and ruined it.

I could tell you story after story of results that I've had

and results enjoyed by family and friends using various

herbal and vitamin supplements ....amazing stories! I

often went by what some brief story I had read in the

Mailbag section had said and in almost every case, we

got the results we wanted and quickly, too. As a matter

of fact, I cannot recall one that did not work of those

which weused.

The only " interaction " I saw was that if the person

who was following my advice did what I told them to

do, they often were able to reduce and eventually

quit taking their medical drugs. I was careful about

dosages but not that careful and sometimes I

advocated slightly higher doses than what the

bottle said if I thought the ailment was a tough one

to crack.

I hold little faith in many of the reports of so-called

interactions because the researcher rarely asks if

the person had done something to change their

diet or routine. For example, the studies done

concerning salt and high blood pressure show that

less than 2 % are affected by increasing their salt

intake. The studies suggest that the salt increased

the blood pressure but did they check what these

few people did differently? I don't know but I think

not. 1.5% is not significant as far as I am concerned.

Maybe the person just had had a big fight with their

spouse.

The Hopkins website offers oodles of information

that suggests 'interactions' but most of the time I am

just supposed to trust them without a reference to a

study and what percentage were affected. Most of

the interactions are between drugs (not natural

'medicines') and herbals. Guess what most people are

going to do when have to make a choice between a

herb and a drug. They, amazingly and stupidly, will

choose the drug. JH and drug companies know this

and it doesn't hurt their cause to scare people a bit.

I believe we are going to see Big Pharma planting

their people on some of these groups in the near

future trying to steer us from herbs and supplements

to drugs with lies and fear tactics. So be careful of

what you believe and who. Generally, if you want

to try an herb, it will be safe, if taken as directed on

the bottle. If it works a bit but not enough, try

taking a bit more.

On the news, we often hear how this or that herb

doesn't work. It's a ploy to get the uninformed to

stay uninformed. If these things didn't work, why

are the drug companies so much against them? If

they are inert and useless, why do they care if we

use them then? They say how unfortunate it is that

we are being duped into spending our hard-earned

money on these things. They KNOW they do work

and that is what scares them. It scares them that

people will find out that they work. They want your

hard-earned money.

Remember, Big Pharma wants to control the entire

health care system and they exert their influence

over anyone they can. They not only influence

doctors but they also influence scientists, universities,

nurses, hospitals and etc., etc. I read a story recently

where Big Pharma was paying off professors at medical

schools to promote their drugs. What snakes they are!

Have a great and thankful day ....everyday!

Helen Elias

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From: sol <solbun@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:18:32 AM

Subject: Re: herbs vs drugs

helen/zhebee wrote:

>

> You said, " And there are harmful interactions between

> herbs and natural medicines just as there are between

> conventional pharma

> drugs, and between herbals and

> pharma drugs. "

>

> Reply >> Give me some examples of interactions

> between herbs and 'natural' medicines.

Check an Herbal PDR (if memory serves there is at least one). Also check

medication interaction sites, and herbal interactions sites. I can't

think of an example off hand but I have found many while researching

what is safe to take with what.

Also check Dr. A. Duke's databases for info on the chemicals in herbs.

http://www.ars- grin.gov/ duke/

sol