Re: Good Article on Vitamin D

[Guest guest]

Alobar, I've been taking 5,000 IU of vitamin D3 lately, only for a couple of

weeks or so, but I'm feeling better all around.  Guess it could also be the

green tea extract I've been taking.  Anyway, the D3 is not very

expensive. Country Life Vitamin D3, 2,500 IU, 60 softgels is only $5.49 at

Swansonvitamins.com. http://www.swansonvitamins.com/CRL339/ItemDetail?SourceCode\

=INTL078 & CAWELAID=249781367

 

SteveD

 

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Good Article on Vitamin D

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:31 AM

Below is a link to an excellent article from an URL on Oxalate

list. I have one criticism. The author makes no distinction between

D2 and D3. From what I have read D2 (such as is added to milk, and

cheap multivitamins) is not nearly as good as D3. The body is very

inefficient at D2 to D3 conversion.

Looks like one can go very high when supplementing with D.

Below recommends up to 1000 IU per 25 pounds of body weight for

children, starting when they are babies. Ddrops would be useful for

babies, imo.

http://www.vitaglo. com/carlson1910. html

Using that rule of thumb, I would be taking up to 7,000 IU of D3 every day!

Some people fear danger of overdose, but the article states

that it requires a massive dose exceeding 50,000 to 150,000 IU each

day for a dangerous overdose. In order to overdose on Carlson's, one

would need to chug down more than a pint of cod liver oil every day!

I imagine that much cod liver oil would really give someone liquid

stool!

According to the Carlson's Cod Liver Oil Bottle, the RDA for

vitamin D is 400 IU, which is one teaspoon. I take a tablespoon a

day which is 1200 IU. When I earn some surplus $$, I may get some

2000 IU Ddrops to supplement my cod liver oil daily.

http://www.nlci. com/nutrition/ News%20for% 20You.htm

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Good info Alobar. BTW, I did email Carlson's a week ago to ask them

if their A and D are added after processing. I'll let you know if

they respond (but I suspect they won't).

I'm taking the same amount of Carlson's CLO as you, plus 3,000 IU of

their vitamin D soft tabs.

Mark

>

> Below is a link to an excellent article from an URL on

Oxalate

> list. I have one criticism. The author makes no distinction

between

> D2 and D3. From what I have read D2 (such as is added to milk,

and

> cheap multivitamins) is not nearly as good as D3. The body is very

> inefficient at D2 to D3 conversion.

>

> Looks like one can go very high when supplementing with D.

> Below recommends up to 1000 IU per 25 pounds of body weight for

> children, starting when they are babies. Ddrops would be useful

for

> babies, imo.

> http://www.vitaglo.com/carlson1910.html

> Using that rule of thumb, I would be taking up to 7,000 IU of

D3 every day!

>

> Some people fear danger of overdose, but the article states

> that it requires a massive dose exceeding 50,000 to 150,000 IU each

> day for a dangerous overdose. In order to overdose on Carlson's,

one

> would need to chug down more than a pint of cod liver oil every

day!

> I imagine that much cod liver oil would really give someone liquid

> stool!

>

> According to the Carlson's Cod Liver Oil Bottle, the RDA

for

> vitamin D is 400 IU, which is one teaspoon. I take a tablespoon a

> day which is 1200 IU. When I earn some surplus $$, I may get some

> 2000 IU Ddrops to supplement my cod liver oil daily.

>

> http://www.nlci.com/nutrition/News%20for%20You.htm

>

> Alobar

>

[Guest guest]

I am dealing with the D2 vs D3 issue myself, I'm stuck with D2 as I get

allergic reactions to D3. I can't find out what is an equivalent dose of

D2 to what would be a recommended dose of D3.

sol

Alobar wrote:

> From what I have read D2 (such as is added to milk, and

> cheap multivitamins) is not nearly as good as D3. The body is very

> inefficient at D2 to D3 conversion.

>

[Guest guest]

Are you allergic to the D3 or the other ingredients in the D3 pill? I

had to find D3 in a vegetable capsule or in liquid form then I take it

with fish oil.

sol <solbun@...> wrote:

>

> I am dealing with the D2 vs D3 issue myself, I'm stuck with D2 as I

get

> allergic reactions to D3. I can't find out what is an equivalent dose

of

> D2 to what would be a recommended dose of D3.

> sol

[Guest guest]

FWIW, I checked some grocery store brand whole milk yesterday and the

label states D3 is added.

I wonder if it is really true that most milk has D2 added? Or is this

one of those myths promulgated to scare people away from standard

products? Not that regular grocery store milk is anything wonderful, but

claims not substantiated by checking a label really make me suspicious

of those making the inaccurate claim.

Alobar,

Where did you read that milk is fortified with D2? Have you read

labels of many cheap multi vitamins to know they contain D2 and not D3?

I ask because I have to go to rather a lot of trouble to find a D2

supplement. I read the same claims about vit A, that the cheaper less

effective form is used in many products to increase profit, but there

again, I go to some effort to find that cheaper form, as I get allergic

reactions to the better (fish sourced) kind.

sol

sol wrote:

> I am dealing with the D2 vs D3 issue myself, I'm stuck with D2 as I get

> allergic reactions to D3. I can't find out what is an equivalent dose of

> D2 to what would be a recommended dose of D3.

> sol

>

> Alobar wrote:

>

>> From what I have read D2 (such as is added to milk, and

>> cheap multivitamins) is not nearly as good as D3. The body is very

>> inefficient at D2 to D3 conversion.

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is because D3 is from fish oil. I can't take fish oil either. I am

limited to plant sources of D and A.

Not as good, but I don't wish to be covered in blistering eczema or

hives either, so I take what doesn't cause allergic reactions.

sol

weighttrainer wrote:

> Are you allergic to the D3 or the other ingredients in the D3 pill? I

> had to find D3 in a vegetable capsule or in liquid form then I take it

> with fish oil.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can you take this brand?

http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Vitamin%20D3.pdf

> > Are you allergic to the D3 or the other ingredients in the D3 pill?

I

> > had to find D3 in a vegetable capsule or in liquid form then I take

it

> > with fish oil.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I spent an hour or so googling on vitamin D just now. Some sites say

that D3 is added to milk. Other sites say that D2 is often used.

Assuming the milk company is not lying, I would trust the label.

Here are some things you might want to keep in mind when supplementing with D2:

Vitamin D(2) supplementation induces the development of aortic

stenosis in rabbits: Interactions with endothelial function and

thioredoxin-interacting protein.

Eur J Pharmacol. 2008 Aug 20;590(1–3):290–6.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18585377

Myth 3: Supplemented vitamin D in foods is adequate.

The truth: Vitamin D2 is one-third as effective in the body as

naturally occurring vitamin D3. Most foods have D2 added. (Another

thing to think about: A study that analyzed vitamin D2 levels in milk

off supermarket shelves showed almost 50 percent had less than the

label claim of 400 IU of D2.)

Myth 4: 1,25(OH)D3 is the best analysis for vitamin D levels.

The truth: Vitamin D is mostly stored in adipose and should not be

routinely measured. It then converts to 25(OH) D3, which has a long

half-life and is the best analysis of vitamin D levels. It then

converts to bi-hydroxy forms such as 1,25(OH)D3 and other forms, which

have the actual action of the cell receptors. However, 1,25(OH)D3 has

a short half-life and is not a good measurement.

Myth 5: The reference range for vitamin D levels is accurate.

The truth: The reference range for 25(OH)D3 is horribly inaccurate and

is resulting in vitamin D deficiency in this country. The current

reference range of 20-100 is too low. Levels less than 25 are disease

level. Levels between 25 and 75 are suboptimal. Levels between 75 and

200 are optimal.

http://www.lookingfit.com/hotnews/top-10-myths-about-vitamin-d.html

Alobar

On 12/9/08, sol <solbun@...> wrote:

> FWIW, I checked some grocery store brand whole milk yesterday and the

> label states D3 is added.

> I wonder if it is really true that most milk has D2 added? Or is this

> one of those myths promulgated to scare people away from standard

> products? Not that regular grocery store milk is anything wonderful, but

> claims not substantiated by checking a label really make me suspicious

> of those making the inaccurate claim.

> Alobar,

> Where did you read that milk is fortified with D2? Have you read

> labels of many cheap multi vitamins to know they contain D2 and not D3?

> I ask because I have to go to rather a lot of trouble to find a D2

> supplement. I read the same claims about vit A, that the cheaper less

> effective form is used in many products to increase profit, but there

> again, I go to some effort to find that cheaper form, as I get allergic

> reactions to the better (fish sourced) kind.

> sol

>

> sol wrote:

> > I am dealing with the D2 vs D3 issue myself, I'm stuck with D2 as I get

> > allergic reactions to D3. I can't find out what is an equivalent dose of

> > D2 to what would be a recommended dose of D3.

> > sol

> >

[Guest guest]

weighttrainer wrote:

> Can you take this brand?

> http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Vitamin%20D3.pdf

>

>

I'm looking at it, I've never heard of it before. Worth a try.

Thanks a LOT!

sol

[Guest guest]

Just some more information on this brand...

I have used these pills for about a year now. I've had my Vitamin D

levels tested and the pills did increase my Vitamin D levels. I was

taking about 7000iu/day, now I only take 1000-2000iu each day. I

really like the liquid one they have. I can't take most other brands

because they have some other ingredient I can not tolerate.

http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Vitamin%20D3.pdf

Christie

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links. I have saved them. Unfortunately though, no

amuont of information will cause me to NOT have an allergic reaction

when I take D3 from fish or any ocean produce. I am checking out the

brand that weighttrainer sent, Pure Encapsulations. That vit D is from

lanolin, which might be ok for me.

sol

Alobar wrote:

> I spent an hour or so googling on vitamin D just now. Some sites say

> that D3 is added to milk. Other sites say that D2 is often used.

> Assuming the milk company is not lying, I would trust the label.

>

> Here are some things you might want to keep in mind when supplementing with

D2:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks again. They are expensive, but it would be worth it to not have

to spend hours online or in stores reading ingredients, looking for

something I (probably) won't react to.

sol

weighttrainer wrote:

> Just some more information on this brand...

> I have used these pills for about a year now. I've had my Vitamin D

> levels tested and the pills did increase my Vitamin D levels. I was

> taking about 7000iu/day, now I only take 1000-2000iu each day. I

> really like the liquid one they have. I can't take most other brands

> because they have some other ingredient I can not tolerate.

>

>

> http://www.purecaps.com/PDF/pi/Vitamin%20D3.pdf

>

>