Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 What about grape juice? I have started drinking about 17 oz every morning with no food. I don't eat after 7 or 8 p.m. and then don't eat until after noon the following day - just the grape juice. Then I eat from noonish-7ish. I read somewhere on the net this was supposed to cure cancer (Not saying I buy that) but thought it sounded like it might be healthy. Any comments? Also, is Welches 100% grape okay or should I find organic? Jody ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodney Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality Hi folks:Yet another study on this topic. This one shows a HUGE 44% reduction in mortality for those drinking alcohol daily in comparison with abstainers. Note also that the benefits are not restricted to heart disease. Does anyone know of any other addition to the diet that can have a more profound impact than this? (Apart from the 80% reduction '60 year old' fruit flies enjoy from CR - without the 'ON'. CR, of course, is a 'subtraction from the diet'!) If so, I am waiting here, all ears, to hear what other additions I should be making.http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm?reutersid=4232 & nl=4http://snipurl.com/5ekwRodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Jody: Since you ask ...... I don't doubt the studies are now being done to include grape juice. So far as I know there are no studies yet published. But a major danish study (Danish Epidemiological Science Centre) found benefits only for wine (not beer or liquor), and came up with even larger reductions in mortality from wine drinking than those in this most recent study. (Beer was basicly neutral, and liquor not a problem at low levels but a dramatically escalating problem at higher levels of intake). Since you ask, I would not use juice from north american type grapes. A prof at an agriculturally focussed university told me that north american species grapes contain many more mutagens than european type grapes (concord, niagara, etc). [Not an expert here, but as I understand it not all mutagens cause cancer, but all carcinogens are also mutagenic. It is very easy to determine if something is mutagenic, but a very long, complicated and expensive process to determine if something causes cancer in humans. So we know much more about what is or is not mutagenic, than we do about whether they cause cancer or not. But it seems like a good idea (to me at least) to avoid mutagens when possible]. As I said, I am not an expert on this. Since the effects are different for beer, wine and liquor it suggests it is not the alcohol. But all kinds of interesting molecules are formed during fermentation besides the alcohol. You could try de- alcoholized wine. But it does contain small amounts of alcohol (half a percent perhaps). I drink the wine! Hic! ; ^ ))) Rodney. > What about grape juice? I have started drinking about 17 oz every morning with no food. I don't eat after 7 or 8 p.m. and then don't eat until after noon the following day - just the grape juice. Then I eat from noonish-7ish. I read somewhere on the net this was supposed to cure cancer (Not saying I buy that) but thought it sounded like it might be healthy. Any comments? Also, is Welches 100% grape okay or should I find organic? > Jody > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rodney > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:50 PM > Subject: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality > > > Hi folks: > > Yet another study on this topic. This one shows a HUGE 44% reduction > in mortality for those drinking alcohol daily in comparison with > abstainers. Note also that the benefits are not restricted to heart > disease. > > Does anyone know of any other addition to the diet that can have a > more profound impact than this? (Apart from the 80% reduction '60 > year old' fruit flies enjoy from CR - without the 'ON'. CR, of > course, is a 'subtraction from the diet'!) > > If so, I am waiting here, all ears, to hear what other additions I > should be making. > > http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research- detail.cfm? > reutersid=4232 & nl=4 > > http://snipurl.com/5ekw > > Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 I think the benefits of alcoholic beverages (such as wine) have been found to be different from and, in some ways superior to, that of fruit juices. Probably each has its own unique and important beneficial effect, but I would assume one could take the place of the other. >From: " Jody Mack " <jdmac@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:02:40 -0600 > >What about grape juice? I have started drinking about 17 oz every morning >with no food. I don't eat after 7 or 8 p.m. and then don't eat until after >noon the following day - just the grape juice. Then I eat from >noonish-7ish. I read somewhere on the net this was supposed to cure cancer > (Not saying I buy that) but thought it sounded like it might be >healthy. Any comments? Also, is Welches 100% grape okay or should I find >organic? >Jody > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rodney > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:50 PM > Subject: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality > > > Hi folks: > > Yet another study on this topic. This one shows a HUGE 44% reduction > in mortality for those drinking alcohol daily in comparison with > abstainers. Note also that the benefits are not restricted to heart > disease. > > Does anyone know of any other addition to the diet that can have a > more profound impact than this? (Apart from the 80% reduction '60 > year old' fruit flies enjoy from CR - without the 'ON'. CR, of > course, is a 'subtraction from the diet'!) > > If so, I am waiting here, all ears, to hear what other additions I > should be making. > > http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm? > reutersid=4232 & nl=4 > > http://snipurl.com/5ekw > > Rodney. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Whoops! I meant to say I would NOT assume one could take the place of the other. To wit: " The fermentation process extracts resveratrol from the skin of a red or purple grape and then it is kept from spoilage in a nitrogen-flushed bottle. The air doesn't get to the resveratrol in a bottle of wine so it can't oxidize. Grape skins provide resveratrol, but not in an extracted form. Due to processing, grape juice provides little resveratrol. Sun-dried raisins also contain no resveratrol due to oxidation by sun rays. The same is true for resveratrol pills which are widely marketed. Their resveratrol content, extracted from the Giant Knotweed plant (also called fo-ti in Asian cultures) for use in dietary supplements, is nil. Sinclair has tested a number of brands of resveratrol pills and their resveratrol content was zero. The resveratrol disappears soon after exposure to air during encapsulation. For now, red wine is the only reliable source of resveratrol. White wine has ten times less resveratrol " >From: " Dowling " <dowlic@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:25:31 +0000 > >I think the benefits of alcoholic beverages (such as wine) have been found >to be different from and, in some ways superior to, that of fruit juices. >Probably each has its own unique and important beneficial effect, but I >would assume one could take the place of the other. > > > >From: " Jody Mack " <jdmac@...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality > >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:02:40 -0600 > > > >What about grape juice? I have started drinking about 17 oz every >morning > >with no food. I don't eat after 7 or 8 p.m. and then don't eat until >after > >noon the following day - just the grape juice. Then I eat from > >noonish-7ish. I read somewhere on the net this was supposed to cure >cancer > > (Not saying I buy that) but thought it sounded like it might be > >healthy. Any comments? Also, is Welches 100% grape okay or should I >find > >organic? > >Jody > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rodney > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:50 PM > > Subject: [ ] Alcohol and Mortality > > > > > > Hi folks: > > > > Yet another study on this topic. This one shows a HUGE 44% reduction > > in mortality for those drinking alcohol daily in comparison with > > abstainers. Note also that the benefits are not restricted to heart > > disease. > > > > Does anyone know of any other addition to the diet that can have a > > more profound impact than this? (Apart from the 80% reduction '60 > > year old' fruit flies enjoy from CR - without the 'ON'. CR, of > > course, is a 'subtraction from the diet'!) > > > > If so, I am waiting here, all ears, to hear what other additions I > > should be making. > > > > http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm? > > reutersid=4232 & nl=4 > > > > http://snipurl.com/5ekw > > > > Rodney. > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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