Re: Al Pater blood tests Feb 19 04

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Isn't blood in your urine indication of something being pretty wrong?

JR

-----Original Message-----

From: old542000 [mailto:apater@...]

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:55 PM

Subject: [ ] Al Pater blood tests Feb 19 04

Hi All,

I had recently had blood tests done. The results are below. Please

provide comments.

My impressions are that:

Testosterone is higher than it has been, consistent with my dreaming

of my wife and I having sex.

TSH is not as high as it averages.

Sodium is a little lower.

Creatine being low suggests that I am not breaking down tissues to

provide an energy source.

Calcium is high, but magnesium is low, so I initiated

supplementation with ~ the RDA of magnesium.

Albumin is marginally lower.

Urine pH was a little lower.

Urine blood is the first occurrence, although limited in amount.

Immune cell levels are close to or at historical lows. They had

been higher the previous blood test in Dec., but my persistent cough

was present at that time.

My hemoglobin levels being lower than in Dec., and I began

supplementing again yesterday with 100 mg/g of ferrous fumarrate

instead

1 + hyochromatic means that the progenitor blood cells show little

red hemoglobin color. 1 + is the lowest hypochromatic level.

Test My value Reference range Units

Testosterone, free 12.2 23-83 pM

T4, total 88 58-155 nM

TSH 7.3 3.3-6.1 mU/l

Glucose, fasting 3.8 3.3-6.1 mM

Sodium 123 135-145 mM

Potassium 44 3.5-5.0 mM

Chloride 87 98-107 mM

Creatinine 36 71-115 microM

eGFR* 232 >59 ml/min

Calcium 2.21 232 2.12-2.62 mM

Total protein 73 60-80 g/l

Albumin 36 35-50 g/l

Magnesium 0.67 0.75-1.00 mM

Urine

--Clear, yellow

--Spcific gravity 1.015

--pH 6.5

--Leuk esterase -ve -ve

--Protein -ve -ve

--Glucose normal -ve

--Ketone -ve -ve

--Blood** 1 + -ve

Wbc 1.0 4.0-10.0 10^9/l

Rbc 3.71 4.5-6.00 10^12/l

Hemoglobin 115 140-180 g/l

Hematocrit 0.350 0..400-5.00 fl

MCV 94.3 80-100 fl

MCH 30.3 27-34 fl

MCHC 328 310-360 g/l

RDW 11.9 11.7-1.51 %

Platelets 131 130-4000 fl

MPV 9.4 9.2-11 fl

Lymphocytes 0.410 1.5-4.0 10^9/l

Monocytes 0.160 0.20-0.90 10^9/l

Neutorphils 0.350 1.5-6.0 10^9/l

Band cells 0.05 0-6.0 10^9/l

Eosophils 0.10 0.0-0.15 10^9/l

Platelet morphology normal normal

Cell morphology 1+ hypochromatic

· * eGFR is only accurate when creatinine is stable.

· ** 10 + is the lowest level of urine blood.

Cheers, Alan Pater, PhD; 4849 Swanson St., Port Alberni, BC, V9Y 6M7;

phone 250 724-0596

[Guest guest]

Also: with such a low hemoglobin count, and low RBC count, aren't you

anemic?

on 2/28/2004 2:58 PM, john roberts at johnhrob@... wrote:

> Isn't blood in your urine indication of something being pretty wrong?

>

> JR

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: old542000 [mailto:apater@...]

> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:55 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Al Pater blood tests Feb 19 04

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I had recently had blood tests done. The results are below. Please

> provide comments.

>

> My impressions are that:

>

> Testosterone is higher than it has been, consistent with my dreaming

> of my wife and I having sex.

> TSH is not as high as it averages.

> Sodium is a little lower.

> Creatine being low suggests that I am not breaking down tissues to

> provide an energy source.

> Calcium is high, but magnesium is low, so I initiated

> supplementation with ~ the RDA of magnesium.

> Albumin is marginally lower.

> Urine pH was a little lower.

> Urine blood is the first occurrence, although limited in amount.

> Immune cell levels are close to or at historical lows. They had

> been higher the previous blood test in Dec., but my persistent cough

> was present at that time.

> My hemoglobin levels being lower than in Dec., and I began

> supplementing again yesterday with 100 mg/g of ferrous fumarrate

> instead

> 1 + hyochromatic means that the progenitor blood cells show little

> red hemoglobin color. 1 + is the lowest hypochromatic level.

>

>

> Test My value Reference range Units

>

> Testosterone, free 12.2 23-83 pM

>

> T4, total 88 58-155 nM

>

> TSH 7.3 3.3-6.1 mU/l

>

> Glucose, fasting 3.8 3.3-6.1 mM

>

> Sodium 123 135-145 mM

>

> Potassium 44 3.5-5.0 mM

>

> Chloride 87 98-107 mM

>

> Creatinine 36 71-115 microM

>

> eGFR* 232 >59 ml/min

>

> Calcium 2.21 232 2.12-2.62 mM

>

> Total protein 73 60-80 g/l

>

> Albumin 36 35-50 g/l

>

> Magnesium 0.67 0.75-1.00 mM

>

> Urine

>

> --Clear, yellow

>

> --Spcific gravity 1.015

>

> --pH 6.5

>

> --Leuk esterase -ve -ve

>

> --Protein -ve -ve

>

> --Glucose normal -ve

>

> --Ketone -ve -ve

>

> --Blood** 1 + -ve

>

> Wbc 1.0 4.0-10.0 10^9/l

>

> Rbc 3.71 4.5-6.00 10^12/l

>

> Hemoglobin 115 140-180 g/l

>

> Hematocrit 0.350 0..400-5.00 fl

>

> MCV 94.3 80-100 fl

>

> MCH 30.3 27-34 fl

>

> MCHC 328 310-360 g/l

>

> RDW 11.9 11.7-1.51 %

>

> Platelets 131 130-4000 fl

>

> MPV 9.4 9.2-11 fl

>

> Lymphocytes 0.410 1.5-4.0 10^9/l

>

> Monocytes 0.160 0.20-0.90 10^9/l

>

> Neutorphils 0.350 1.5-6.0 10^9/l

>

> Band cells 0.05 0-6.0 10^9/l

>

> Eosophils 0.10 0.0-0.15 10^9/l

>

> Platelet morphology normal normal

>

> Cell morphology 1+ hypochromatic

>

> · * eGFR is only accurate when creatinine is stable.

>

> · ** 10 + is the lowest level of urine blood.

>

>

>

> Cheers, Alan Pater, PhD; 4849 Swanson St., Port Alberni, BC, V9Y 6M7;

> phone 250 724-0596

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Al:

Thanks Al. Another great post from you there. (LOTS of GREAT posts

here today I see).

To combine Al's list of tests with the following from a recent post

of mine ................ " I guess another piece of information that

would be VERY helpful to those near the lower end of the safe BF%

range is the first symptoms one would see if BF% was too low - and

protein was starting to be burned. "

Can anyone tell us, of those tests listed by Al, which would be the

first to show evidence (warning) of an excessively low BF%? And

whether, in those cases, the warning would be signalled by a movement

up or down.

Rodney.

--- In , " old542000 " <apater@m...>

wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I had recently had blood tests done. The results are below.

Please

> provide comments.

>

> My impressions are that:

>

> Testosterone is higher than it has been, consistent with my

dreaming

> of my wife and I having sex.

> TSH is not as high as it averages.

> Sodium is a little lower.

> Creatine being low suggests that I am not breaking down tissues

to

> provide an energy source.

> Calcium is high, but magnesium is low, so I initiated

> supplementation with ~ the RDA of magnesium.

> Albumin is marginally lower.

> Urine pH was a little lower.

> Urine blood is the first occurrence, although limited in amount.

> Immune cell levels are close to or at historical lows. They had

> been higher the previous blood test in Dec., but my persistent

cough

> was present at that time.

> My hemoglobin levels being lower than in Dec., and I began

> supplementing again yesterday with 100 mg/g of ferrous fumarrate

> instead

> 1 + hyochromatic means that the progenitor blood cells show

little

> red hemoglobin color. 1 + is the lowest hypochromatic level.

>

>

> Test My value Reference range Units

>

> Testosterone, free 12.2 23-83 pM

>

> T4, total 88 58-155 nM

>

> TSH 7.3 3.3-6.1 mU/l

>

> Glucose, fasting 3.8 3.3-6.1 mM

>

> Sodium 123 135-145 mM

>

> Potassium 44 3.5-5.0 mM

>

> Chloride 87 98-107 mM

>

> Creatinine 36 71-115 microM

>

> eGFR* 232 >59 ml/min

>

> Calcium 2.21 232 2.12-2.62 mM

>

> Total protein 73 60-80 g/l

>

> Albumin 36 35-50 g/l

>

> Magnesium 0.67 0.75-1.00 mM

>

> Urine

>

> --Clear, yellow

>

> --Spcific gravity 1.015

>

> --pH 6.5

>

> --Leuk esterase -ve -ve

>

> --Protein -ve -ve

>

> --Glucose normal -ve

>

> --Ketone -ve -ve

>

> --Blood** 1 + -ve

>

> Wbc 1.0 4.0-10.0 10^9/l

>

> Rbc 3.71 4.5-6.00 10^12/l

>

> Hemoglobin 115 140-180 g/l

>

> Hematocrit 0.350 0..400-5.00 fl

>

> MCV 94.3 80-100 fl

>

> MCH 30.3 27-34 fl

>

> MCHC 328 310-360 g/l

>

> RDW 11.9 11.7-1.51 %

>

> Platelets 131 130-4000 fl

>

> MPV 9.4 9.2-11 fl

>

> Lymphocytes 0.410 1.5-4.0 10^9/l

>

> Monocytes 0.160 0.20-0.90 10^9/l

>

> Neutorphils 0.350 1.5-6.0 10^9/l

>

> Band cells 0.05 0-6.0 10^9/l

>

> Eosophils 0.10 0.0-0.15 10^9/l

>

> Platelet morphology normal normal

>

> Cell morphology 1+ hypochromatic

>

> · * eGFR is only accurate when creatinine is stable.

>

> · ** 10 + is the lowest level of urine blood.

>

>

>

> Cheers, Alan Pater, PhD; 4849 Swanson St., Port Alberni, BC, V9Y

6M7;

> phone 250 724-0596

[Guest guest]

I don't know that there generally is such a thing as a dangerously low body

fat percentage. One's metabolism will tend to conserve some body fat,

depite a drop in weight to dangerous overall levels of body mass, strength,

etc. Measured by Tanita, I apparently have no or 1% body fat (although I

think this is far from accurate).

I don't think any of the testing Alan had done have any correlation with

body fat percentage, necessarily. As Alan has noted, many CR practitioners

(myself included) have low WBC counts, and often low testosterone relative

to " normal " population controls. This may not necessarily be dangerous or

unhealthy in the context of CR.

>From: " Rodney " <perspect1111@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Al Pater blood tests Feb 19 04

>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:03:06 -0000

>

>Hi Al:

>

>Thanks Al. Another great post from you there. (LOTS of GREAT posts

>here today I see).

>

>To combine Al's list of tests with the following from a recent post

>of mine ................ " I guess another piece of information that

>would be VERY helpful to those near the lower end of the safe BF%

>range is the first symptoms one would see if BF% was too low - and

>protein was starting to be burned. "

>

>Can anyone tell us, of those tests listed by Al, which would be the

>first to show evidence (warning) of an excessively low BF%? And

>whether, in those cases, the warning would be signalled by a movement

>up or down.

>

>Rodney.

>

>--- In , " old542000 " <apater@m...>

>wrote:

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I had recently had blood tests done. The results are below.

>Please

> > provide comments.

> >

> > My impressions are that:

> >

> > Testosterone is higher than it has been, consistent with my

>dreaming

> > of my wife and I having sex.

> > TSH is not as high as it averages.

> > Sodium is a little lower.

> > Creatine being low suggests that I am not breaking down tissues

>to

> > provide an energy source.

> > Calcium is high, but magnesium is low, so I initiated

> > supplementation with ~ the RDA of magnesium.

> > Albumin is marginally lower.

> > Urine pH was a little lower.

> > Urine blood is the first occurrence, although limited in amount.

> > Immune cell levels are close to or at historical lows. They had

> > been higher the previous blood test in Dec., but my persistent

>cough

> > was present at that time.

> > My hemoglobin levels being lower than in Dec., and I began

> > supplementing again yesterday with 100 mg/g of ferrous fumarrate

> > instead

> > 1 + hyochromatic means that the progenitor blood cells show

>little

> > red hemoglobin color. 1 + is the lowest hypochromatic level.

> >

> >

> > Test My value Reference range Units

> >

> > Testosterone, free 12.2 23-83 pM

> >

> > T4, total 88 58-155 nM

> >

> > TSH 7.3 3.3-6.1 mU/l

> >

> > Glucose, fasting 3.8 3.3-6.1 mM

> >

> > Sodium 123 135-145 mM

> >

> > Potassium 44 3.5-5.0 mM

> >

> > Chloride 87 98-107 mM

> >

> > Creatinine 36 71-115 microM

> >

> > eGFR* 232 >59 ml/min

> >

> > Calcium 2.21 232 2.12-2.62 mM

> >

> > Total protein 73 60-80 g/l

> >

> > Albumin 36 35-50 g/l

> >

> > Magnesium 0.67 0.75-1.00 mM

> >

> > Urine

> >

> > --Clear, yellow

> >

> > --Spcific gravity 1.015

> >

> > --pH 6.5

> >

> > --Leuk esterase -ve -ve

> >

> > --Protein -ve -ve

> >

> > --Glucose normal -ve

> >

> > --Ketone -ve -ve

> >

> > --Blood** 1 + -ve

> >

> > Wbc 1.0 4.0-10.0 10^9/l

> >

> > Rbc 3.71 4.5-6.00 10^12/l

> >

> > Hemoglobin 115 140-180 g/l

> >

> > Hematocrit 0.350 0..400-5.00 fl

> >

> > MCV 94.3 80-100 fl

> >

> > MCH 30.3 27-34 fl

> >

> > MCHC 328 310-360 g/l

> >

> > RDW 11.9 11.7-1.51 %

> >

> > Platelets 131 130-4000 fl

> >

> > MPV 9.4 9.2-11 fl

> >

> > Lymphocytes 0.410 1.5-4.0 10^9/l

> >

> > Monocytes 0.160 0.20-0.90 10^9/l

> >

> > Neutorphils 0.350 1.5-6.0 10^9/l

> >

> > Band cells 0.05 0-6.0 10^9/l

> >

> > Eosophils 0.10 0.0-0.15 10^9/l

> >

> > Platelet morphology normal normal

> >

> > Cell morphology 1+ hypochromatic

> >

> > · * eGFR is only accurate when creatinine is stable.

> >

> > · ** 10 + is the lowest level of urine blood.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheers, Alan Pater, PhD; 4849 Swanson St., Port Alberni, BC, V9Y

>6M7;

> > phone 250 724-0596

>

[Guest guest]

In fact, low WBC is a marker of being on CR.

on 2/28/2004 4:17 PM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote:

> As Alan has noted, many CR practitioners

> (myself included) have low WBC counts, and often low testosterone relative

> to " normal " population controls. This may not necessarily be dangerous or

> unhealthy in the context of CR.

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Rodney " <perspect1111@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Al:

>

> Thanks Al. Another great post from you there. (LOTS of GREAT

posts

> here today I see).

>

> To combine Al's list of tests with the following from a recent post

> of mine ................ " I guess another piece of information

that

> would be VERY helpful to those near the lower end of the safe BF%

> range is the first symptoms one would see if BF% was too low - and

> protein was starting to be burned. "

>

> Can anyone tell us, of those tests listed by Al, which would be the

> first to show evidence (warning) of an excessively low BF%? And

> whether, in those cases, the warning would be signalled by a

movement

> up or down.

>

> Rodney.

Hi All,

Thank you for your comments, Rodney.

Having ketones in the urine may indicate muscle wasting by extreme CR.

My % total body fat was recently 8.3% - not so low as those of many

CRers with higher weights than I have.

My glucose did not dip very low after the 12-hour fast - something

that had not happened before either.

Cheers, Al Pater.