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Some people can't help but do the brand thing. I've recently gotten into

cycling and you ought to see the brand snobbery and wars in that field--Colnago

folk ain't got no use for Cannondale. In computers the Apple people shake

their heads at the poor benighted PC users.

Thanks for trying to keep it from distracting us from helpful information,

but I fear it'll be with us always.

Hal

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I wonder how many people actually do get a choice of cochlear

implants anyway. As far as I know, we here in Australia only have

access to the Cochlear device.

And I would imagine that in the US, the surgeons would mostly

determine which device they would fit and with AB being the American

company, patriotism would come into it as well. When patriotism comes

into it, whether it be here or there, one is not neccessarily getting

the best device.

A lot is being written about the AB 120 channels, but as far as I

know, its still in the testing stages and will never be available to

everyone that wears an implant already.

At the end of the day, all that matters is that we hear better then

we could before.

Ted F.

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> Maybe someone needs to create a separate group for those who

> want to argue about brands or shop around to make sure they have

> the " best " and what not. This means that the rest of us can just

> get on with making the most of our CIs and mapping strategies that

> we have. Life is basically what you make of it.

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Hi Ted !

I hope you are enjoying the seasons " down under " It is Summer here in

the US, so it is probably winter now in Oz.

You are right - not everybody gets a choice in their device. I was

fortunate in that I was given a choice of all three, and had

absolutely NO pressure from the clinic to pick one over the other.

Many candidates (like yourself) do not get that choice.

You are also absolutely 100% correct in that all that matters is that

EACH one of us (with his or her device) hears better than before,

allowing most (but sadly not all just yet) to connect with their

world. For those considering an implant, that is the main thing to

remember. I could NOT imagine ever going without my CI, and I have

been activated less than 3 months !! What I used to consider " CI

Moments " are now just a normal part of my life.

And for those who are trying to get help in deciding whether or not to

be implanted, and which device to use (if they do indeed have a

choice), it is vitally important that they get the facts. Some of

those people come to forums like this one, hoping to get facts. I

know that I did.

With that in mind, I do need to correct your statement that the 120

channel AB strategy will never be available to those who have an

implant already. That is NOT true.

The 120 strategy is designed for those who have CII implants or 90K

implants, in fact it has been in trials with many people with both

types of implants, so this is NOT just a " future " innovation, but is

able to be utilized NOW by those already implanted.

For me, I will get a free upgrade to the new processor & the 120

channel strategy when it is released (I was implanted in March of this

year). I'll let you know when that happens & how it is going.

Have a great weekend !

Regards,

Jim S.

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> I wonder how many people actually do get a choice of cochlear

> implants anyway. As far as I know, we here in Australia only have

> access to the Cochlear device.

>

> A lot is being written about the AB 120 channels, but as far as I

> know, its still in the testing stages and will never be available to

> everyone that wears an implant already.

>

> At the end of the day, all that matters is that we hear better then

> we could before.

>

> Ted F.

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Wow , what an EXCELLENT post and I agree completely! I

actually wrote a rather long post last night about getting away from

comparing brands period and lost it before i sent it. Thanks for this

comment and agree completely!

Regards,

Mike " Ears Hopin " P

>

> Sigh.

>

>

>

> Maybe someone needs to create a separate group for those who

want to

> argue about brands or shop around to make sure they have the " best "

and what

> not. This means that the rest of us can just get on with making

the most

> of our CIs and mapping strategies that we have. Life is basically

what you

> make of it.

>

>

>

> When you consider that many people are not able to benefit from the

full

> electrode array for both brands but do remarkably well with what

they have

> (often with as little as 8 electrodes) it makes you wonder whether

all the

> bells and whistles are going to make heck of a lot of difference at

the end

> of the day anyway? A good audiologist can do wonders with maps. I

accept

> that there are people out there who want the best even if the

differences

> are small and if it's only the best for 6 months which is why I

think a

> separate forum could be created so they can discuss and argue to

their

> hearts content.

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> People who are opposed to cochlear implants in general have noticed

this

> brand obsession and have made interesting comments on it. It does

seem to

> bring out an ugly side of human nature unfortunately.

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> Severe/profoundly deaf since birth

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> Lost residual hearing October 2005

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> Approved for CI March 2006

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> Surgery 9th June 2006

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> Activation 29th June 2006

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Ted wrote:

And I would imagine that in the US, the surgeons would mostly

determine which device they would fit and with AB being the American

company, patriotism would come into it as well. When patriotism comes

into it, whether it be here or there, one is not neccessarily getting

the best device.

************

My audi and surgeon are both at Oregon Health Sciences University. When I

asked about the difference in results between the two brands offered

(Cochlear, AB) they both said that patients were getting results too

similar to differentiate and that the choice was really appearance and

battery type.

Virg

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Hello Jim

Yes, its Winter in Oz now. It doesnt get really cold where I live

though, thank goodness.

It sounds like you asre doing really well with your implant, tell us

about some of your C'I> moments please. I can never read too many of

these.

I said the AB120 would never be available to everyone that wears an

implant already. Is it backwards compatible with every device that AB

has ever released, so that all previous implantees will get the AB120

strategy? If it is, I offer my apologies for a misleading statement.

I hope you get your 120 pretty quickly and I look forward to your

report on the differences, Jim. I watched the Neil Diamond 25th

anniversary DVD of The Jazz Singer yesterday and the music sounded

great with my Nucleus Freedom. I first watched it over 20 years ago.

You have a great weekend too.

Ted F.

> >

> > I wonder how many people actually do get a choice of cochlear

> > implants anyway. As far as I know, we here in Australia only have

> > access to the Cochlear device.

> >

> > A lot is being written about the AB 120 channels, but as far as I

> > know, its still in the testing stages and will never be available

to

> > everyone that wears an implant already.

> >

> > At the end of the day, all that matters is that we hear better

then

> > we could before.

> >

> > Ted F.

> >

>

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> And I would imagine that in the US, the surgeons would mostly

> determine which device they would fit and with AB being the American

> company, patriotism would come into it as well. When patriotism

> comes into it, whether it be here or there, one is not neccessarily

> getting the best device.

> ************

>

> My audi and surgeon are both at Oregon Health Sciences University.

> When I asked about the difference in results between the two brands

> offered (Cochlear, AB) they both said that patients were getting

> results too similar to differentiate and that the choice was really

> appearance and battery type.

>

> Virg

>

Thats probably about the truth of it, Virg. We are all getting good

devices no matter whether we have a choice or not.

With us all being different as regards to our hearing, it will

probably never be possible to actually compare the two main brands in

a test drive, like you can with motor cars, because of having to have

the other implant removed first. I cant imagine too many people would

volunteer to give up something that was working for them, to trial

something that may not treat them as well. On the other hand, there

are probably some people who's progress didnt match their

expectations, that might take the gamble? Personally, I am very happy

with my Freedom.

How are you going with yours now, Virg?

Ted F.

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" How are you going with yours now, Virg? "

Not as well as I'd like. :<) But far better than before the implant. I

still avoid the phone unless I'm pushed into it. Instrumentals (some, at

least) can be enjoyable but vocals sound like someone torturing a cat.

I can understand most of what some newscasters on tv say without the

captions but mostly I still need them. One on one conversations are fairly

easy. Groups are still a problem.

But I'm grateful for what I have and hoping for some better discrimination

and music appreciation with the 120. Environmental sounds are mostly still

a joy. The new ones, that is, such as the birds, etc.

Thanks for asking.

Virg

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> From: Ted F.

>

> " How are you going with yours now, Virg? "

>

> Not as well as I'd like. :<) But far better than before the

> implant. I still avoid the phone unless I'm pushed into it.

I'm much the same as regards the phone, I got out of the habit of

using it. When I do use it I can hear better than I could with my

hearing aids. I havent tried for a few weeks, I suppose I should :-)

> Instrumentals (some, at least) can be enjoyable but vocals sound

> like someone torturing a cat.

Some vocalists sound like that to everybody :-)

>

> I can understand most of what some newscasters on tv say without the

> captions but mostly I still need them. One on one conversations

> are fairly easy. Groups are still a problem.

I still have problems in noise, but I have to remember that even

people with 'normal' hearing, have problems too. I also put the

captions on the screen when watching the news, but I can hear most of

what they say without having to read them.

>

> But I'm grateful for what I have and hoping for some better

> discrimination and music appreciation with the 120. Environmental

> sounds are mostly still a joy. The new ones, that is, such as the

> birds, etc.

Its still only about 7 months since you were activated, so it seems

to me that you are doing extremely well. As a fairly new recipient,

have you been given any indication on how long it will be before you

get the 120 strategy? I hope you get it very soon.

>

> Thanks for asking.

Thanks for replying, Virg

Ted F.

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> Virg

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