More questions than answers

[Guest guest]

Reading all of these recent posts leaves me feeling a bit discouraged,

perhaps because I wish there were easier answers.

I am one of those people taking iodine (for fibromyalgia) with

excellent preliminary results. I do believe that we (in America) get

something like 30x less than the Japanese who do not seem to get

fibromyalgia, fibrocystic disease, chronic fatigue or breast cancer

the way that we do. There has been some excellent research on it, but

of course, we are all different. I think the idea that one size fits

all is perhaps the hardest lesson we have had to unlearn.

And, for sure, much of the antecdotal information we see on line has

the ring of " umbrellas cause rain " thinking. At best, they can hint

at an area of exploration.

From what I read, the " poisonous " nature of oxalic acid is exactly why

it seems to work on cancer patients. Chemo is much more poisonous

than this, but the idea is much the same, on a natural scale. I, at

least, want to keep an open mind about it.

But I love the spirited discussions on this site. Good show and

thanks to everyone for sharing their ideas and research. A lot to

think about. I wish that the FDA, the doctors and the medical

establishment shared our spirit of wholeness in this.

[Guest guest]

Good rule of thumb is to be at least 4 feet away from an electrical source,

including wiring in the walls, which sends out a magnetic field - move your bed

into the centre of the room at night or better still turn off as many fuses as

you can in your fusebox. The magnetic field reading appears to be exponential,

very high close up to vacuum cleaners, heaters, hairdryers, etc then dropping

rapidly.

What make is your meter? The trifield one is great its frequency weighted, which

means that it picks up on the fact that a doubling in frequency of magnetic

fields doubles the energy, ie say you are picking up 1mG at 50hz, if it is 100hz

should be 2mG, but if not frequency weighted will still show 1mG.

http://www.trifield.com/content/the-trifield-meter/

" A TriField meter, when exposed to a 3 milligauss field, will read " 3 " if

the frequency of the field is 60 Hz, but it will read " 6 " if the 3

milligauss field is at 120 Hz. In contrast, a non-frequency-weighted

(the flat response version of the TriField) meter will read " 3 " in both

cases, and a 60 Hz-only meter will read " 3 " and " 0 " respectively (even

though in the 120 Hz case, the current induced in a conductive body is

twice as much.) "

Another thing is that most meters dont measure the intermediate frequency fields

(1khz to 1mhz kicked out by appliances such as computers, tvs etc. Also probably

missing out on measuring the dirty electricity, radiofrequencies carried in on

wiring.

Electrosensitives can be sensitive to much lower levels than 0.5mG.

You will also need a rf meter, the Cornet is good value, to measure wireless,

DECT phone and cellphone/basestation radiation Also measures the police's

channel TETRA at 400mhz.

http://www.cornetmicrosystems.com/ 

Would recommend the ED85EX £119.99 which will measure from 1mhz- 8ghz using

different antennae, great value for money. I have this and the ED25G £69.99

Hope this helps,

Charlie

From: Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...>

Subject: more questions than answers

Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 4:00

 

Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures

I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know

better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't

spend half days stuck to the fridge.

So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have

EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also

have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living

environment.

Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.

Regards,

Rixta

[Guest guest]

> But to know

> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

Your Gauss meter only reads a limited amount of EMF.

For example, it won't register EMF coming from cell phone

towers, Wi-Fi, cordless phones, TV/radio/satellite, RF noise on

your power lines, etc. So eyou could have a lot of EMF problems

without your Gauss meter indicating it!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes, you need a microwave detector, RF detector and a Gauss meter.

In fact if you have a really good RF detector, you might not need

the Gauss meter, since there is always some RF on the lines.

But most RF detectors are not good enough.

The " POWERLINE NOISE FINDER " at LessEMF is very sensitive

(0.3 microVolt!). I have it connected to a Yagi antenna and so far

am very pleased and excited. I did get ill using it, but the fields

were pretty strong where I was testing. I did not react when I first

started using it.

I found that a couple of neighbor's houses are emitting tons of RF.

I think it is from solar inverters tied to the grid. If anyone has

experience

mitigating those, please let me know...

Bill

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>

>

> > But to know

> > better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

> > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

>

> Your Gauss meter only reads a limited amount of EMF.

> For example, it won't register EMF coming from cell phone

> towers, Wi-Fi, cordless phones, TV/radio/satellite, RF noise on

> your power lines, etc. So eyou could have a lot of EMF problems

> without your Gauss meter indicating it!

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic

electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting

worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel

considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed

to imagination or psychological effects.

Rixta

> Need more information:

> What simple measures proved that you were right?

>

> Emil

>

> more questions than answers

>

>

>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures

>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know

>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't

>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.

>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have

>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also

>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living

>> environment.

>>

>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Rixta

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go off. Loni

> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures

> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know

> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't

> spend half days stuck to the fridge.

> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have

> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also

> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living

> environment.

>

> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.

>

> Regards,

> Rixta

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

> When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go

> off.

It sounds like your fire alarms are due for replacing with battery-only

versions... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter? 

 

Not sure what I can do about it.

 

Loni

 

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: more questions than answers

Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 7:07 PM

 

> When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go

> off.

It sounds like your fire alarms are due for replacing with battery-only

versions... :-)

Marc

[Guest guest]

I also have several meters.

1.microwave/rf meter: to detect cell towers

2.gaussmeter: for powerline magnetic fields

3.Stetzerizer Meter: for dirty electricity

In my last hotel, I changed rooms to avoid the roof-top cell tower, but then

ended up having a room with high powerline magnetic fields 2-4 mG, and

eventually started feeling it. It was like my joints were being impacted. When

I left the room I would feel better.

About the dirty electricity: here's an award-winning story on Canadian 16:9

news: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=1824722

Nowadays that everyone's starting to adopt CFL light bulbs, dirty electricity is

also emerging as a problem. Each CFL light bulb plugged into the wiring is

somewhat additive to the total dirty electricity.

>

> There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through

the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone,

cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running

through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on

my face, burning skin, etc.

>

> Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the

basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the

electricity that I cannot control, does effect me.

> Turning the power off is the best remedy for me.

> There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the

ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for

them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really

working enough.

> My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter

(https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the " dirty electricity " and also an

RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences.

> Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other

sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from

neighbors).

> Good luck,

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter? 

> Not sure what I can do about it.

There are different types of smoke detectors -- one requires power

from the house, while others depend purely on batteries. If you

replace your current smoke detectors with ones that run only on

batteries, they won't care if your house power is on or not.

Marc

[Guest guest]

you can take them out and replace them with battery operated ones.

On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Loni wrote:

> When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually

> go off. Loni

>

>

>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple

>> measures

>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know

>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the

>> EMF

>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5

>> mG.

>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't

>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.

>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have

>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also

>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living

>> environment.

>>

>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Rixta

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Great video thanks

From: emraware <emraware@...>

Subject: Re: more questions than answers

Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 8:50 PM

 

I also have several meters.

1.microwave/rf meter: to detect cell towers

2.gaussmeter: for powerline magnetic fields

3.Stetzerizer Meter: for dirty electricity

In my last hotel, I changed rooms to avoid the roof-top cell tower, but then

ended up having a room with high powerline magnetic fields 2-4 mG, and

eventually started feeling it. It was like my joints were being impacted. When I

left the room I would feel better.

About the dirty electricity: here's an award-winning story on Canadian 16:9

news: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=1824722

Nowadays that everyone's starting to adopt CFL light bulbs, dirty electricity is

also emerging as a problem. Each CFL light bulb plugged into the wiring is

somewhat additive to the total dirty electricity.

>

> There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through

the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone,

cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running

through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on

my face, burning skin, etc.

>

> Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the

basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the

electricity that I cannot control, does effect me.

> Turning the power off is the best remedy for me.

> There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the

ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for

them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really

working enough.

> My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter

(https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the " dirty electricity " and also an

RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences.

> Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other

sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from

neighbors).

> Good luck,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I didn't know you could get battery only! Thanks Marc; that is terrific! Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: more questions than answers

Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:07 PM

 

> Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter? 

> Not sure what I can do about it.

There are different types of smoke detectors -- one requires power

from the house, while others depend purely on batteries. If you

replace your current smoke detectors with ones that run only on

batteries, they won't care if your house power is on or not.

Marc

[Guest guest]

I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:

barefoot walking in forest

sitting with barefeet in mud

grounded cable attach to body

It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I benefit

from it too.

Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in the past

too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.

.

>

> I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very

> limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that

> area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American

> market. They don't work in Australia.:-(

>

> Rixta

> > Hi Rixta,

> >

> > Sounds like you grounded yourself.

> > Two thoughts here:

> > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to

> > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about

> > what caused the symptoms.

> > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as

> > your remedy, why argue with what works?

> >

> > Emil

> >

> >

> > more questions than answers

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures

> >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know

> >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF

> >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.

> >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't

> >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.

> >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have

> >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also

> >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living

> >>>> environment.

> >>>>

> >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.

> >>>>

> >>>> Regards,

> >>>> Rixta

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>>