Re: Re: Walmart

[Guest guest]

I live near a small town, Livingston, TX. The small stores that walmart put out of business, IMO, rightfully so. The people who owned and those that worked those stores now work in walmart or have taken better jobs. I ask them how they like it and they claim they're better off. Regular hours, FICA, no lease to pay, etc.

I owned a store once, and I can tell you it was the biggest PITA (sorry PETA), that I ever encountered. The economy's upturns and downturns provided in this country will drive anyone out of business without substantial backing, walmart of not.

One thing you may not know - I returned a bottle of unopened eye solution just because I made an error buying the wrong one (and it wasn't cheap). They gave me a credit and told me they had to waste it by law.

That would never happen in a Mom-an-Pop store.

Regards.

----- Original Message -----

From: bernadettepawlik@...

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:26 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Walmart

Walmart undercuts the prices of local businesses and forces them out of business.HOWEVER, if someone is in a small community with a low average wage, and they can save a few dollars on life's essentials...those few dollars may mean a lot to them. Those few dollars saved could go towards improving their child's education, allowing them to save, allowing them to feel less financial pressure.

[Guest guest]

A very insightful, cogent note. Thank you. - Ruth P.

From: bernadettepawlik@...

Reply-

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:26:02 EST

Subject: [ ] Re: Walmart

I attempt as much as possible to lead an ethical life and to have my choices support my ethics. But, there are two sides (at least!) to every position.

Walmart has been investigated for illegal employment practices.

HOWEVER, if someone is an illegal alien living in this country, they probably are here because life is impossible in their own country. The money they earn here can be sent back to their own country allowing their families to lead a better life.

Walmart undercuts the prices of local businesses and forces them out of business.

HOWEVER, if someone is in a small community with a low average wage, and they can save a few dollars on life's essentials...those few dollars may mean a lot to them. Those few dollars saved could go towards improving their child's education, allowing them to save, allowing them to feel less financial pressure.

Walmart pays its legal employees very low wages.

HOWEVER, in some depressed communities, where factories have closed, Walmart's wages represent the difference between welfare and some income from employment.

Walmart sells goods made overseas in conditions which would be totally unacceptable to American workers.

HOWEVER, if the choice is between working in a sweat shop and feeding your children, or not working and having your children go hungry, isn't working in a sweat shopper a preferred option?

Now, what I do have a problem with is people spending ridiculous amounts of money on status items. $500.00 on a pursue, $2,000 for a fancy briefcase...that strikes me as sinful.

[Guest guest]

Darrell

Do you mean the vcno can be altered by adding peanut oil? Isn't that the height

of cheating?

Walmart

>

>Yes, I've bought the pure coconut oil from Walmart. It's most likely

>a refined, bleached, deodorized oi since it has almost no flavor or

>aroma. Seems to be fine for light sauteeing or anywhere you don't

>want a flavor clash.

[Guest guest]

> It could be centrifuge too coz this process does not smell or taste

> either.

>

>

>

> > Yes, I've bought the pure coconut oil from Walmart. It's most likely

> > a refined, bleached, deodorized oi since it has almost no flavor or

> > aroma. Seems to be fine for light sauteeing or anywhere you don't

> > want a flavor clash.

>

, it's not the centrifuging step that reduces the flavour.

Quality First VOCC has fresh coconut flavour yet it is a centrifuged

oil. The coconuts are used fresh, wet-milled and chilled; the oil

takes only three hours to make from the time the coconuts are opened.

Perhaps it's the process' short time and cold temperatures that

disallows escape of the volatile aromatic compounds.

This cold-extraction method represents a wise move if one has fresh

coconuts and access to large scale production in the area, as it

represents the ability to serve an international gourmet niche market

that most of the pack will fail to access. The market will always

find cheap oil, but the gourmet market also wants oil that tastes

good, and business demands large scale production.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

If its being sold by Walmart in the grocery section instead of

the beauty/healthcare, then its not VCNO. LOL I don't know if

WM sells any CNO in the healthcare/beauty, but they might.

From the labeling and ingredients that someone reported,

it sounds like everything is proper, although I agree it is

probably highly refined but probably better for people than

vegetable oil.

Darrell

Message: 2757 From: P & M BANAGALE Received: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Walmart

>

>Darrell

>

>Do you mean the vcno can be altered by adding peanut oil? Isn't that the height

>of cheating?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan: I've seen a real big time coconut oil factory. You are right, it takes

a short time. What i would like to know now is if the aroma or smell changes

after a few months. The taste can be ok, but some oils smell differently or

stronger after a few weeks or months.

Re: Re: Walmart

> It could be centrifuge too coz this process does not smell or taste

> either.

>

>

>

> > Yes, I've bought the pure coconut oil from Walmart. It's most likely

> > a refined, bleached, deodorized oi since it has almost no flavor or

> > aroma. Seems to be fine for light sauteeing or anywhere you don't

> > want a flavor clash.

>

, it's not the centrifuging step that reduces the flavour.

Quality First VOCC has fresh coconut flavour yet it is a centrifuged

oil. The coconuts are used fresh, wet-milled and chilled; the oil

takes only three hours to make from the time the coconuts are opened.

Perhaps it's the process' short time and cold temperatures that

disallows escape of the volatile aromatic compounds.

This cold-extraction method represents a wise move if one has fresh

coconuts and access to large scale production in the area, as it

represents the ability to serve an international gourmet niche market

that most of the pack will fail to access. The market will always

find cheap oil, but the gourmet market also wants oil that tastes

good, and business demands large scale production.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> Do you mean the vcno can be altered by adding peanut oil? Isn't that

> the height of cheating?

>

>

This type of cheating is rampant in the oils industry; people have

died after eating deliberately adulterated olive oil for example.

Here's a newspaper article with some facts and figures:

___________________________________________

The great olive oil scam available in stores now

Body Electric

Duncan Crow

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

I think everyone knows that extra virgin olive oil is theoretically

the healthiest pourable oil. It is sought after by many who wish to

avoid the huge amounts of free radicals and several resultant

degenerative diseases that are promoted by other pourable oils. But I

said 'theoretically' for good reason: a huge scam involving olive oil

is being perpetuated by industry, and until the government controls

the situation the fact is that although the olive oil in the

supermarket may be labeled " extra virgin " , there is no guarantee that

it even contains olive oil!

I kid you not. A recent study in Italy found that only 40% of the

olive oil brands labeled as " extra virgin " actually met those

standards. Italy produces 400,000 tons of olive oil for consumption

each year but over 750,000 tons are sold. Where do you suppose the

350,000 extra tons of " extra " extra virgin olive oil materialized

from? Of course, it is made up of the highly refined nut and seed

oils that you are trying to avoid, and sometimes even worse than

that. It's not healthy, and it's even occasionally deadly.

Over 20,000 people fell ill and 402 people died from the effects of

the toxic oil syndrome that struck Spain in 1981. After several

years, investigation eventually revealed that the olive oil had been

adulterated with industrial grade rapeseed oil.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conducted an olive oil

purity study in 1995 and found that only 4 per cent of the 73 brands

of olive oils tested proved to be real, unadulterated olive oil. Most

products were adulterated with vegetable oils that have been shown to

cause heart disease. Oils such as canola, corn, cottonseed and soy

oils were used with as little as only 10% olive oil in some products.

The BBC reported in 1994 that around 40% of olive oil on British

supermarket shelves is adulterated with other less healthy and

cheaper vegetable oils.

The Albanian Ministry of Food and Agriculture inspectors

confiscated 3.5 tons of adulterated olive oil in 1996. Testing

indicated that it contained 10% expired (rancid) olive oil and 90%

sunflower oil. The scammers were fortunately apprehended.

Many shipments of olive oil originating from Spain contained a

known carcinogen. The shipments were apprehended for several months

by government authorities in the receiving country before Spanish

authorities reacted to their letters and disallowed the export.

Shenanigans within the food oil industry are ongoing in Canada as

well. Since 1997 the Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) has been checking

out olive oils to see if they are what they are advertised and

labeled as. Joe Di Lecce, a food specialist with the CFIA, says " we

found oils that consisted mainly of vegetable oils other than olive

oil,’ during inspections. " Some had sunflower oil, some had canola,

some had pomace oil. " Di Lecce has looked at 100 oils, and found that

20 per cent are fake.

A word to the wise: When you purchase " pure " , " pomace " , or " lite "

olive oil you are getting little health benefit from these over-

refined oils, even if they are mainly olive oils. Of course, if your

olive oil is adulterated, then you are getting no benefits anyway. To

quote Stan Bacler, an " olive oil detective " for the Canadian Food

Inspection Agency, " if the price you're paying for extra virgin olive

oil seems too good to be true, it likely is. "

Don't buy oil in plastic bottles. Plastic bottles are not provided

for your health or safety, but to increase corporate profits. Olive

oil reacts with the plastic, which contaminates it. Purchase only

glass bottles. Large quantities of olive oil should be sold in dark

glass bottles or in food grade cans.

The big corporate brands of overheated, refined olive oil that you

see in every market are not a quality product. Your olive oil should

be from small family farms, families who take pride in their work and

their cold-pressed product. When olives are handpicked the

traditional way, the olives are not bruised and only the ones ready

for pressing are taken to the press. On the other hand, large estates

reduce the cost of picking by using mechanical pickers. The olives

fall to the ground and are bruised, starting undesireable

fermentation. Mechanical picking drops olives that are not yet ready

for oil production, and when they are gathered from the ground many

of the older over ripened olives that have naturally fallen are added

when they shouldn't be.

Want to try a quality product that really contains olive oil? Try

the best olive oil on the market. Olive oil from hand-picked olives

grown on small farms on Crete can be found at Lynne's Vitamin

Gallery, and Nature's Place Nutrimart in Duncan, Chemainus

Chiropractic, and South Island Massage Therapy in Mill Bay, or call

importer Rawthyme Natural Products at 250-748-7385. I should warn you

that once you taste this olive oil, you'll probably never go back.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Duncan

Why does olive oil go rancid easily? I thought most of them underwent

centrifuge processing.

I see that the traditional way of processing olive oil is the best. Does this

go rancid?

Re: Re: Re: Walmart

> Do you mean the vcno can be altered by adding peanut oil? Isn't that

> the height of cheating?

>

>

This type of cheating is rampant in the oils industry; people have

died after eating deliberately adulterated olive oil for example.

Here's a newspaper article with some facts and figures:

___________________________________________

The great olive oil scam available in stores now

Body Electric

Duncan Crow

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

I think everyone knows that extra virgin olive oil is theoretically

the healthiest pourable oil. It is sought after by many who wish to

avoid the huge amounts of free radicals and several resultant

degenerative diseases that are promoted by other pourable oils. But I

said 'theoretically' for good reason: a huge scam involving olive oil

is being perpetuated by industry, and until the government controls

the situation the fact is that although the olive oil in the

supermarket may be labeled " extra virgin " , there is no guarantee that

it even contains olive oil!

I kid you not. A recent study in Italy found that only 40% of the

olive oil brands labeled as " extra virgin " actually met those

standards. Italy produces 400,000 tons of olive oil for consumption

each year but over 750,000 tons are sold. Where do you suppose the

350,000 extra tons of " extra " extra virgin olive oil materialized

from? Of course, it is made up of the highly refined nut and seed

oils that you are trying to avoid, and sometimes even worse than

that. It's not healthy, and it's even occasionally deadly.

Over 20,000 people fell ill and 402 people died from the effects of

the toxic oil syndrome that struck Spain in 1981. After several

years, investigation eventually revealed that the olive oil had been

adulterated with industrial grade rapeseed oil.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) conducted an olive oil

purity study in 1995 and found that only 4 per cent of the 73 brands

of olive oils tested proved to be real, unadulterated olive oil. Most

products were adulterated with vegetable oils that have been shown to

cause heart disease. Oils such as canola, corn, cottonseed and soy

oils were used with as little as only 10% olive oil in some products.

The BBC reported in 1994 that around 40% of olive oil on British

supermarket shelves is adulterated with other less healthy and

cheaper vegetable oils.

The Albanian Ministry of Food and Agriculture inspectors

confiscated 3.5 tons of adulterated olive oil in 1996. Testing

indicated that it contained 10% expired (rancid) olive oil and 90%

sunflower oil. The scammers were fortunately apprehended.

Many shipments of olive oil originating from Spain contained a

known carcinogen. The shipments were apprehended for several months

by government authorities in the receiving country before Spanish

authorities reacted to their letters and disallowed the export.

Shenanigans within the food oil industry are ongoing in Canada as

well. Since 1997 the Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) has been checking

out olive oils to see if they are what they are advertised and

labeled as. Joe Di Lecce, a food specialist with the CFIA, says " we

found oils that consisted mainly of vegetable oils other than olive

oil,' during inspections. " Some had sunflower oil, some had canola,

some had pomace oil. " Di Lecce has looked at 100 oils, and found that

20 per cent are fake.

A word to the wise: When you purchase " pure " , " pomace " , or " lite "

olive oil you are getting little health benefit from these over-

refined oils, even if they are mainly olive oils. Of course, if your

olive oil is adulterated, then you are getting no benefits anyway. To

quote Stan Bacler, an " olive oil detective " for the Canadian Food

Inspection Agency, " if the price you're paying for extra virgin olive

oil seems too good to be true, it likely is. "

Don't buy oil in plastic bottles. Plastic bottles are not provided

for your health or safety, but to increase corporate profits. Olive

oil reacts with the plastic, which contaminates it. Purchase only

glass bottles. Large quantities of olive oil should be sold in dark

glass bottles or in food grade cans.

The big corporate brands of overheated, refined olive oil that you

see in every market are not a quality product. Your olive oil should

be from small family farms, families who take pride in their work and

their cold-pressed product. When olives are handpicked the

traditional way, the olives are not bruised and only the ones ready

for pressing are taken to the press. On the other hand, large estates

reduce the cost of picking by using mechanical pickers. The olives

fall to the ground and are bruised, starting undesireable

fermentation. Mechanical picking drops olives that are not yet ready

for oil production, and when they are gathered from the ground many

of the older over ripened olives that have naturally fallen are added

when they shouldn't be.

Want to try a quality product that really contains olive oil? Try

the best olive oil on the market. Olive oil from hand-picked olives

grown on small farms on Crete can be found at Lynne's Vitamin

Gallery, and Nature's Place Nutrimart in Duncan, Chemainus

Chiropractic, and South Island Massage Therapy in Mill Bay, or call

importer Rawthyme Natural Products at 250-748-7385. I should warn you

that once you taste this olive oil, you'll probably never go back.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

> Duncan: I've seen a real big time coconut oil factory. You are

> right, it takes a short time. What i would like to know now is if the

> aroma or smell changes after a few months. The taste can be ok, but

> some oils smell differently or stronger after a few weeks or months.

>

>

Hi ,

Three hours from start to finish.

QFI VOCC oil doesn't change at all in several months. I haven't kept

it for longer.

We can of course expect some change in other oils, the ones with the

four-month shelf life. I think the question might consider what

components are in the oil that are subject to decomposition.

Duncan Crow