I had thought that I was getting old

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I had thought that I was getting old, well I am!, however when I started

losing weight I felt an almost immediate improvement in well being. This

was at the ten lb loss level. Now at the 25 lb loss level (I still need to

get down another 35 lbs to be "normal", right now I am no longer obese but

still overweight) I fell even better and my knee problems have gotten a lot

better. I still do not know what I will do when I reach my college weight,

but until then I am in weight loss mode, not really CR but ON, although probably

too much meat for the average here. Until I get lower in weight I will mostly

lurk.

positive Dennis

jwwright wrote:

Hi Rodney,

You ask tough questions for which

no one has an answer. As a scientist it was very uncomfortable for me to

accept any of the CR groups, or Walford's ideas/hypotheses. CR is not new

to me - I first heard about it in 1982. And I wondered how they could think

about applying it to humans. The problem is there is no plan in Walford's

book, and I have seen problems in CRers health that makes me skittish following

any "rule". What I did was lose weight because it made me healthier, not

because my BMI was high, not because my weight was 70# higher than the ins

table, not because the doc said to, not because of some trauma like a heart

attack - that didn't happen.

What happened was I felt so lousy

that I couldn't do anything, had no interest except getting my BP lower.

I tried diff diets, gym training, talked to nutritionists (they know nothing

about HTN), docs (they know nothing about weight loss), and finally I decided

I had to do it myself. After 6 yrs of trying I made a radical change which

BTW was reduction in calories until the body decided to respond. That level

was 1800 kcals. My BP dropped enough to lose one medication and I felt considerably

better like 1000%. Then I could walk and the combination helped me get down

to 175#. It worked so well, I got concerned it might not stop going down,

so I stemmed it at 175 and worked back up to 180-185. I tracked my intake

with a spreadsheet made from the USDA database.

After 2 yrs, my weight showed

a tendency to creep up so I'm dropping it again - slowly - about 0.5 # per

day until I reach 170#. I will stabilize at that point for the next dr visit

in May and then drop it to 165#. I'm already below my 1973 fit wt. 165#

is my 1961 to 1970 wt. I don't call that CR - I don't know what CRON is,

but I do know I can control my weight, satisfy the RDA's (there aren't many),

and get to any weight I want. The main criteria is CALORIES - not veggie

- not atkins - not high fat - not low fat - not fuhrman - not ornish - not

BMI - not body fat - not some stupid formula - not anything but calories.

AND how you feel has a lot to

do with what you eat and where you will stop - the weight you select as

your ideal.

Just my take.

Regards.

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Original Message -----

From:

Rodney

To:

Sent:

Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:45 PM

Subject:

[ ] Re: CR = 1800 Calories per Day???

Hi Jw:

Those numbers make a lot of sense to me. But does 170 pounds at 5'

9" represent CRON?

In other words, if you dropped your caloric intake to 1400 or 1500

for sake of example, would your weight not stabilize at a lower, more

CRON-like, level?

Do you have some idea of what your BF% is? If you BF% is ten or

below, then I guess it does represent CRON. But for me at 169 lbs,

5' 10.4" and BF% estimated at a little over 20, I am quite sure I am

nowhere close to a stabilized CRON weight.

Rodney.

--- In , "jwwright" <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> I got this from somewhere - one of the CR groups, I think:

>

> bmr=13.7*wt(kg) + 5*ht(cm) - 6.8*age + 66

>

> bmr=13.7*170/2.2 + 5*69*2.54 - 6.8*68+66

>

> bmr=

> 1538

>

>

>

> Add a WAG of 300 kcals = 1838. It seems close for me to hold

weight.

>

> I have a feeling it's going to vary a lot between people.

>

> Regards.